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To: 1rudeboy

“So that playing-field is already level.”

I disagree the playing field is level. If a Chinese factory pays an effective tax rate to the Chinese government of 15%, which is then rebated to the factory on exported goods, the factory pays 0% tax to its home government on the goods it exports. All of the profit is returned to shareholders or available for reinvestment in the firm.

If a US factory competing with the Chinese factory pays an effective tax rate of 35% to the federal government, and 8-10% to the state government, it is not on a level playing field from the perspective of taxation.

When the Macy’s or Walmart buyer visits the US factory and compares its price on comparable products to the Chinese factory’s price, the US factory has a huge cost disadvantage due to the differences in tax policies. Remember, most US companies today are buying directly from overseas factories, not middlemen. The economic comparison the buyers make is factory to factory.

The example above is very real and demonstrates how the playing field is not level. In addition the US taxpayer pays for the US Navy which keeps the worlds shipping lanes open, pays for the Army Corps of Engineers to dredge the harbors for the merchant ships to bring the goods to US ports, pays for the Customs inspectors in US ports, pays for the FAA and much of the capital infrastructure costs of US airports receiving air cargo from overseas, and pays for the US Coast Guard. To level the economic playing field, duties and fees should be assessed on every container brought into the US to help cover the costs of these services. To not charge for these services is to give the foreign factory a free ride. The US exporter pays for these services when it pays its taxes to the US government.

In the absence of tariffs, foreign factories are subsidized by the US taxpayer and in many instances are subsidized by their own governments. To perpetuate this practice by not assessing duties and tariffs is to sustain an economic policy favoring foreign factories at the expense of US factories.


48 posted on 12/02/2012 9:48:50 AM PST by Soul of the South
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. . . foreign factories are subsidized by the US taxpayer and in many instances are subsidized by their own governments. . . .

Trade is rigged. Foreign governments subsidize their exports. And they block American exports: the Congressional Research Service once identified 751 different types of barriers to American exports worldwide. In fact, thanks to the many ways governments manipulate trade, it has been estimated that only about 15 percent of world trade is genuinely free.
65 posted on 12/02/2012 11:17:26 AM PST by khelus
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To: Soul of the South
I took the liberty to copy your excellent comments from The Insourcing Boom thread.

Until the early 1970’s the US had the largest and most efficient manufacturing infrastructure in the world. American products were known for quality. American industry was highly innovative. American industry landed men on the moon.

Until the 1960’s American manufacturing companies were led by executives from the “product” side of the business. They either came up the ladder through sales and marketing and understood how to design and develop innovative new products. Or, they came up through manufacturing and engineering where they understood how to design and build products to manufacture efficiently.

In the 1960’s the financial people wrested control of executive management from the sales and manufacturing executives. These new executives were not producers, they were administrators. They came from top 10 business schools armed with their MBA’s and academic theories as to how to make companies more financially efficient and attractive investments to Wall Street. They slashed sales forces, marketing budgets, product development teams, and capital spending in order to improve reported earnings. They directed the engineering and purchasing staffs to “cost reduce products” by using cheaper components. By starving the factories of capital to purchase new equipment, they ensured the factories would not be able to compete with the new factories in Asia.

There is a knee jerk tendency on Free Republic to blame the loss of US manufacturing on greedy unions. Perhaps that was true in some industries but unions did not control the factories of the South and those factories also fled to Asia. I sat in executive suites in the 1990’s when the outsourcing decisions were made. The financial people, armed with studies from their buddies at Goldman Sachs, wanted the quick Wall Street fix. Announce a big outsourcing effort with a big PR splash telling the market you are going to reduce your cost of production by 20-30%. There will be a quick bounce in the price of the stock. The Wall Street bankers will help finance the move, sell off the assets, and provide capital for the new, highly efficient factory in China. Then, the savings can be plowed into stock buybacks and acquisitions, enabled by the same Wall Street banks. This was the real story of the great outsourcing, not greedy unions.

The US manufacturing people asked for the same new equipment being funded for the Chinese factories and were denied, being told to compete with modern technologically enabled Asian factories using the equipment purchased in the 1950’s and 1960’s before the financial people took over. The US manufacturing managers and engineers were aware of the lean manufacturing techniques and asked for funding to reconfigure the assembly lines and train the workers in the new processes. The financial people running the firms told them it was a waste of money to spend on obsolete factories. The marketing and sales people asked for funding for new product innovation. The financial people told them they couldn’t having funding for products that would take 2-3 years to develop and bring to market. Any investment had to have an immediate payout and impact on the bottom line.

The truth is, the decisions to outsource American manufacturing were made by Harvard MBA’s in the executive suite and on Wall Street. The takeover of corporations by financial people who put in huge bonus incentive structures which provided zero incentive for long term investments in products and production resulted in the stripping of American companies and outsourcing of factories. What CEO would make a three year investment in making a 1950’s factory state of the art when he could see an immediate gain by shutting it down and moving the production to China?


67 posted on 12/02/2012 12:52:39 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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