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Facing Up to the Enormity of Our Problem
The American Thinker ^ | November 30, 2012 | Daren Jonescu

Posted on 11/30/2012 3:15:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

......[George] Washington spoke truly: a democratic form of government, republican or otherwise, is only as virtuous as the citizens who form it. Institutions of liberty, equality, and mutual respect cannot be sustained in, let alone re-imposed upon, a society that has generally forsaken every single virtue named in Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, and has in turn filled the soul's moral void with hatred, envy, gluttony, sloth, covetousness, lust, and collectivism's unique license to pillage, namely its presupposition that individual men -- that is, other men -- do not really exist.

The entire moral and intellectual structure of the West has rotted out from within, over the course of generations. Winning elections is still valuable -- as is choosing the most principled candidates. (The two are not contradictory goals, contrary to the delusions of the entrenched political establishment.) But winning elections, even with good candidates, cannot solve the West's existential crisis. The divide this time is not tempered with a measure of long-developed moral common ground. Two fundamentally opposed views of life are represented, and the side of reason and decency is by far the outnumbered force.

The modern left's anti-rational, anti-virtuous, anti-individualist superstructure must be destroyed, mercilessly and thoroughly. It took generations for this brilliant scheme of reassuring repression -- soft despotism -- to be wound around the West, like spider's silk around its paralyzed prey. It might take generations to unravel it. The alternative to this fight, however, is to sit passively by as the world enters a new dark age.

This is going to be hard, and it is going to take much longer than the American Revolutionary War, for reasons I have explained above. But we can win, and we will win. Time is not on our side; but truth is.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: 2012; corruption; culture; democrats; education; elections; electorate; government; liberalism; liberals; moralabsolutes; obama; progressives; progressivism; society
A good article to read and take to heart. An invading force did not take us here. There is no other "shining hill" to look to for hope.

Our mission now is to turn the ship before we depart - it is the only hope for humanity.

1 posted on 11/30/2012 3:15:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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“The modern left’s anti-rational, anti-virtuous, anti-individualist superstructure must be destroyed, mercilessly and thoroughly.”


2 posted on 11/30/2012 3:22:57 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Gene Eric
But we can win, and we will win. Time is not on our side; but truth is.

In the past, the time equation worked for the truth precisely because there was someone, a country, "out there" to speak it plainly. While in the case of the FSU, the 'time' was about 80 years - 8 decades of being juxtaposed against someone else (US) speaking the truth. It did, in the end, end.

What really worries me is there is now NO collective sovereign entity that speaks the truth as it once was. This entire world has been corrupted to liberality.

What's left? Well, things could get so bad - to the point of completely breaking down: susceptible to the next populist demon's dictatorship, anarchy, or scattered tribes of varying ideologies, etc.

What I'm afraid of is actually getting to the point of a complete "do-over" of human development; and that could be centuries.

3 posted on 11/30/2012 3:32:20 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hope that our great grandchildren will remember that there was once a shining city on a hill.


4 posted on 11/30/2012 3:53:28 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good article. We should throw secession into the mix. Are we really going to turn around the liberal strongholds or should they be left to collapse on their own?


5 posted on 11/30/2012 4:11:50 AM PST by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: listenhillary

the only way they will know that is if we teach them....that is no easy task. it requires energy and commitment beyond the reach of most.

we could very well be entering a very dark time.


6 posted on 11/30/2012 4:35:17 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Gaffer

What’s left? Well, things could get so bad - to the point of completely breaking down: susceptible to the next populist demon’s dictatorship, anarchy, or scattered tribes of varying ideologies, etc.

Well put. The scattered tribes option is probably the best we can hope for.


7 posted on 11/30/2012 4:39:01 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Gaffer
Very good points. During the darkest years of fascism and communism, the USA was held up as a beacon of hope to freedom lovers everwhere.

The beacon may go out. What hope, then, here or around the world?

If nothing else, we will serve as an example of a rear-guard action, defense against all odds, never quitting.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 4:57:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MulberryDraw; wardaddy
Will they try to keep us in by force, again?


9 posted on 11/30/2012 4:59:23 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Gaffer
What really worries me is there is now NO collective sovereign entity that speaks the truth as it once was. This entire world has been corrupted to liberality.

This sort of "population inversion" (forgive use of physics concept) usually creates a financial opportunity for someone smart enough to see it.

I sure wish I was smart enough to be that someone.

10 posted on 11/30/2012 5:27:36 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If the GOP wants the REAL answer to why it lost the election, here it is.

But as the author points out, the real issue is how to reverse the decline from a moral state into a self-serving morass. How do you re-instill morality into a society that’s gone feral? How do you promote virtue when the masses have tasted vice?


11 posted on 11/30/2012 5:30:57 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Israel is a socialist country. I’ve known a lot of Israelis, having worked for a subsidiary of Tadiran; which was Israel’s GE at the time. The Israelis were smart, hard-working and what we’d call entrepreneurial. On the subject of socialist programs they were universally in favor of what we would call the left-most solution. Then, they’d tell you how to get around the program. The public health care in Israel is wonderful, fantastic! But to make it work you had to “bribe a little here and there.” The taxes are wonderful; You have to fund all this terrific stuff somehow; Of course you can get around them by buying on the black market. (It’s okay, everybody does it.)

I’ve never witnessed such a dichotomy between what people professed and how they actually lived. I think that the left is like that here too. The rules, laws, taxes are all (as Leona Helmsley said) for the little people.


12 posted on 11/30/2012 5:31:53 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No Democrat wants to take responsibility for their own actions.

As then Spkr. Rep. Nancy Pelosi once said: “We have to pass Obama’care’ to see what is in it.”

And now Benghazi-Coward Obama’s Democrats are saying: ‘We have to go over Obama’s Fiscal Cliff to see how far we fall financially.’


13 posted on 11/30/2012 5:49:02 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Our mission now is to turn the ship before we depart - it is the only hope for humanity.

While I remain in the fray, I have about given up hope. Until we stop relying on words, no matter how wise, and actually start using the tactics of the Left with the same single-minded purpose, we will continue to lose the war. There is no political solution - the solution will involve our heeding the provisions of the Founders and dissolving the government for a fresh start - I have trouble picturing it actually happening with the balance as lopsided as it has become.

14 posted on 11/30/2012 5:55:15 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You’re quite correct, its a fascinating article and in many ways quite correct. With all due respect to you and the author I’d have to disagree with the conclusion that this is a battle that can and must be won.

As the author notes: “As a result, the citizenry has gradually given way to a new entity, “the masses” (once again using the suitable Marxist language), a collectivist majority without any of the reflexes of self-reliance, self-restraint and shame that a virtuous citizenry would have; without any of the respect or capacity for rational deliberation, forethought, and common sense that a properly educated citizenry would have; and without the universalizable notion of freedom — freedom as an equal, natural right, rather than a childish wish-fulfillment fantasy — that a citizenry not enmeshed in the mass manipulations of class envy would have.”

Once a society establishes the “Masses” it becomes the case that for the “Masses” one of the prime focuses of attention becomes one of economic class envy; in societies where a majority is reduced to the same level poverty relative to the other 50%, the “do not/have not/gov’t dependent” find themselves constantly watching and counting to ensure that those around them don’t have any more than they do and if they discover someone has hoarded up an excess of something unto themselves, they feel it legitimate to take the excess, by force if necessary and to punish the hoarder, often times by killing the hoarder because, after all, killing is fun and the fewer people there are the more there is for everyone else. As well, contained in the quote above is the reference to the “virtuous” citizen; with the masses there is no virtue except the virtue that no one should have more than the others of the masses. The abrogation of virtue with the Masses in the U.S. is near complete, for them, God is dead and they are morally dead, likened unto a Zombie population. And therein lies the core of the U.S. problem. The society is rent assunder as there is no core belief system and there isn’t any “cultural” identity outside the “group” identities created and daily reinforced by the Marxist School systems and Media outlets.

Now, to my conclusion: the reason I disagree with the idea that this is a battle we must fight and win is that in the course of conducting a battle against this, we automatically lose; truth will not win the day because truth has no forum, no media for expression because the Media is owned and controlled by the evil. The only way to obtain victory over this beast is to starve it economically, retreat, and watch the masses tear themselves and their Uncle Sambo gov’t to pieces. And the pieces for this type victory are perfectly in place. The cities which are largely inhabited by the evil, are entirely dependent for resupply of food and fuel from outside the cities. Once the chaos starts, the supplies stop and the masses will turn upon themselves. The wise and virtuous among us will be gone and out of the cities and make no effort to save the evil from destruction at its own hands. Therein lies the path to victory; this society can’t be “turned” it has to end altogether to be rebuilt and the sooner, the better.


15 posted on 11/30/2012 6:06:15 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: freedomfiter2

True; see my post explaining that below.


16 posted on 11/30/2012 6:07:07 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: trebb

Everyone here knows what the real problem is. It is just politically incorrect to say it. The closest hint that I can give you is to say that there are too many ‘liberals” on the planet.


17 posted on 11/30/2012 6:16:46 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Rich21IE
.....Now, to my conclusion: ...

When it gets to that point there will be NO resistance. Look at Cuba. Look at Venezuela. All avenues and means of protest, or ways to avoid what is occurring are systematically removed, one by one; groups are pitted against one another to stop any unity.

18 posted on 11/30/2012 7:13:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Excellent article that left out two major points:

1.) As I’ve posted here innumerable times, the Marxists control the totally effective brainwashing system of education (actually “de-education”) of the masses, pumping an ever-increasing number of dumbed-down, non-thinking, amoral, feeling-oriented idiots so, as Rush says, “We are out-numbered and losing ground..”

And then the media (our equivalent of Pravda in USSR) sustain and maintain their idiocy post-education.

NO ONE has yet come up with a strategy to change this. NO ONE. (I’m waiting....)

2. Collapse and recovery may take not years, but decades - as with the USSR. We are in this disaster for many of us for the rest of our lives.


19 posted on 11/30/2012 8:03:37 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Gaffer
What I'm afraid of is actually getting to the point of a complete "do-over" of human development; and that could be centuries.

The do-over is the book of Revelation, the good news is that it will be done-over in our lifetime, it won't take centurys.

20 posted on 11/30/2012 8:03:57 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There is no other “shining hill” to look to for hope.

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There is. The original and only authentic one.


21 posted on 11/30/2012 8:12:31 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early church put its hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: Travis McGee

“Will they try to keep us in by force, again?”

Yes.

At some point there will be dissolution similar to that of the Soviet Union, but until that stage of bankruptcy and popular disdain, the use of force will be exercised on any credible threat to Versailles on the Potomac.


22 posted on 11/30/2012 8:18:21 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early church put its hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“groups are pitted against one another to stop any unity”

Precisely what the Republican and Democrat Punch and Judy show is all about. Beltway versus America. Beltway writes the rules.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 8:22:07 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early church put its hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
Thanks for this link and bring this article to FR. Excellent article. Please read and consider. We must turn this ship of State around. We are definitely going in the wrong direction.

America and Americans have had the ‘good life’. There are hard jobs that must be done, some have an easier life simply due to circumstance, it has always been thus. Some have health issues. Lack of education, lack of skill, hope, no hope. Family or alone. Man must face life and live it as best he can. Knowing God, trusting God and being faithful to God is the basis of facing life with hope, mercy, and loving our fellow man, in faith, and hope, and love. This is the first order of life. It is why men are said to achieve in part the vision they have for their life.

We are in imminent danger of losing the good life in America ... due to those with evil intentions serving Greed, power, lust, tyranny, suppression of freedom, restriction of liberty, and the ability to choose our direction in life. There have ever been evil intentions against good from evil (Satan)

There is good and there is evil. Choose good.

"... As for me and my house we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15

24 posted on 11/30/2012 9:31:20 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: MulberryDraw

The only way out is through.

It would indeed be best if we could isolate ourselves from the inevitable consequences of liberal ideology and let the cities crash and burn,

but they aren’t going to allow that to happen.

The next best thing is personal/family preparations for the crash so that you can remain independent of gov’t during the coming depression.


25 posted on 11/30/2012 9:36:29 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

The biggest problem is that we’ve allowed “liberal” people to avoid the consequences of their ideology and related behavioral choices.

They avoid the consequences by forcing, through gov’t, others to pay for those consequences.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 9:38:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Arlis
About halfway through the column:

In short, the intellectual leaders of the left know as well as you do that their regulatory state with its confiscatory taxation, propagandistic education, and morally subversive cultural elite will not produce prosperity and individual happiness, i.e., that their regime will "fail" the true test of good government.

27 posted on 11/30/2012 11:14:05 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Psalm 144

Of course you are correct.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 12:37:25 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jacquerie

I was noting that no one had proposed a solution for taking back or dealing with the Marxist control of the educational system - not than no one has failed to recognized it. Many, including Rush, recognize it -

But no one offers what to do about it. Recognition is the first issue, but without a strategy to deal with it, is like seeing the train come down the tracks you are standing on but not moving....


29 posted on 11/30/2012 4:59:53 PM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: All






Can't you just imagine this was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers and try to figue out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?






What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.

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We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....




Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent
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Read the rest- Here

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Sign this petition- over 99,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

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Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

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VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

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VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

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Before It's News: Here

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Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here






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30 posted on 12/01/2012 11:58:26 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN)
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