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Hostess Mediation Fails, Liquidation To Proceed; Furious Laid Off Workers Now Turn On Labor Union
Zero Hedge ^ | 11/20/12 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 11/20/2012 7:49:57 PM PST by Nachum

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To: kara37
Does everyone really think they can make bread products in Mexico, drive them across the border and then proceed to deliver them all over the US and still manage to deliver fresh bread?

Even if you could keep the bread fresh, I doubt you could sell it at a profit in Chicago or NYC, after sending empty trucks on a round trip to Mexico, and back, even if you were given the bread at no cost.

151 posted on 11/21/2012 5:44:33 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner; kara37
Bimbo already owns scads of bakeries in the USA.

See Sara Lee...

152 posted on 11/21/2012 6:31:44 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: blueunicorn6
They are probably working off a fully loaded cost rather than just the worker's salary.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

153 posted on 11/21/2012 7:18:36 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Pilsner
Correct. Your typical bakery operates within an 80 mile radius or so. A little more when you get way out into sparsely populated states like the Rocky Mountains and northern Great Plains states. That's about the limit for your typical route driver to make his rounds and return to the plant by quitting time.

The larger radius in sparsely populated areas isn't due only to a more spread-out distribution base, it is also due to the fact that much lighter traffic allows for far better distance coverage in the same amount of work day.

I know this from a previous job which included distribution of bakery products. In very densely populated areas, your distribution radius is even smaller, sometimes as little as 15 or 20 miles.

154 posted on 11/21/2012 8:15:14 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: elpadre

My broker years ago tried to include Hostess in my portfolio. Either that or Sandisk. I chose Sandisk.


155 posted on 11/21/2012 8:34:40 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Nachum
So the Baker's Union puts Teamsters out of work?? In the 'olden days' that wouldn't be a very healthy thing to do.

And not that I'm insinuating anything but this Baker's Union President better stay away from Pizza Ovens. He might trip and have his head fall right into one. (just sayin')

156 posted on 11/22/2012 4:15:40 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Nachum

Unfortunately I just randomly read on a blog somewhere that the twitterers are blaming the greedy capitalist businesses for the shutdown of Hostess - nothing gets through to these communists. I am truly anxious about how absolutely brainwashed most of the people in this country have become.


157 posted on 11/22/2012 5:34:02 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: kara37
They make their stuff in the market that they are sold. They are the largest US bakery, and their stuff for the US is made in the US. They have 49 bakeries and most of their products are made in the same state they are delivered. There is no other way to get the stores fresh bread.

For bread, sure. For Twinkies, cupcakes, etc, a few days of transport would not hurt them.

158 posted on 11/22/2012 6:40:29 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Pilsner
Even if you could keep the bread fresh, I doubt you could sell it at a profit in Chicago or NYC, after sending empty trucks on a round trip to Mexico, and back, even if you were given the bread at no cost.

For long hauls, you generally use an independent trucking firm that would be hauling one product in one direction, and whatever load was available in the other.

159 posted on 11/22/2012 6:46:06 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: DManA
I suppose there are pensions. I wonder if they are fully funded?

I may be wrong but I believe the pensions fall under the Teamster umbrella........Additionally, I think that if you're a teamster, you're forbidden to go out and get a job in your respective trade in a non-union facility. You have to sign up for work at your union hall and you go on a waiting list. When jobs become available, your union hall then sends you out when your name comes up......

I know a retiree who was an electrician for the Detroit school system and he got that job through the IBEW after being unemployed for a year and a half.

A good friend of mine's nephew is in the sheet metal workers union here and he was unemployed for about 2 1/2 years until they called him up for a job.

These unions are ruthless too if they find out you're working in a non-union shop. My friend's nephew was on his union's pension board and they discovered a retiree who was working and they legally fined him $17,000 and withheld his pension until he paid it off. Their legal rationalization was that they had provided him the free apprenticeship training and the jobs throughout his career and thus he belonged to them.

160 posted on 11/22/2012 8:35:27 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: taxcontrol
Blame their striking for the cause of the company’s demise

Not really since it's the workers themselves who have to vote on whether or not to strike......The union bargaining committee threatened the company with the strike but it was the workers who voted to walk...

I have no doubt that many of them were more than willing to take the proposed cuts in order to keep their jobs but they were outnumbered.

161 posted on 11/22/2012 8:46:16 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

But I’m not talking about the union members. I’m talking about the thousands of non-union workers filing a lawsuit against the union.


162 posted on 11/22/2012 9:06:21 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
I’m talking about the thousands of non-union workers filing a lawsuit against the union.

Then I would say no to that question also....

The auto supplier I worked for closed down two plants, one in Gary Indiana and the other in Clinton, Michigan back in the early 80's because of their refusal to take concessions. That allowed my plant in Detroit to stay open......

163 posted on 11/22/2012 9:25:59 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Nachum
A number of pro union types in the article's comment section were whining that Hostess wage cuts were intolerable. Unfortunately for them, one of them revealed the true state of their wages by admitting that he was making $125,000/year delivering Twinkies.

This shows that a lot of union types will mislead and lie as readily as they'll breathe and that almost all of them are no less selfish than the executive management they complain about.

164 posted on 11/22/2012 10:04:44 AM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Eight years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

yep. I notice.

I also notice that more troops have died in AFG in the past 4 years than in the previous 8...


165 posted on 11/22/2012 2:16:57 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Nachum. Sidebars:
166 posted on 11/22/2012 11:31:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BenLurkin

Right to work and hire at will states are not all they are cracked up to be. Yes, we have jobs but the companies don’t care anything at all about the employees because they know they can treat them any way they want to treat them. I hate unions as much as anybody here but there needs to be a middle ground. TN has no labor laws except for the Federal laws. The company I work for is a major employer and we are forced to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week whether we are able to or not. I worked 168 hours in the last 15 days. I worked 12 hours a day for 7 days on first shift, got one day off and worked 7 nights for 12 hours a night. I’ve been there 36 years and have never been treated as badly as we are now. The major company that bought us recently is H*** to work for. They fire people over 50 for no reason just because they can. All of us over 50 are walking on eggshells all the time because by TN law they can hire and fire at will. I am 58 and have been a faithful employee for almost 36 years with a perfect work record but I can’t continue to work like this.

Be careful what you wish for.


167 posted on 11/23/2012 2:36:53 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: Nachum
The unions are composed of greedy,arrogant, self serving, foolish democrats who care little for God or man and have trusted in the government to supply their needs. Brazen and godless and hateful of their fellow mans needs, they have destroyed themselves and even if the obamanation picks up the tag, the whole government will eventually crash.
Socialism is a hateful and hate filled disease of the heart and mind that brings war and famine and death to all people.
When Christ Jesus comes to defend Israel and set up His Kingdom of Heaven on the earth, all socialism will be destroyed and the King will be our government on the earth. This coming period is known in Scripture as the Kingdom of Heaven.
168 posted on 11/23/2012 5:38:56 AM PST by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: elpadre
any investor would be a fool to buy Hostess - the unions make this an impossible buy.

The investor is not bound by old union contracts. He can set up shop in a right to work state, or even offshore it, and resume pumping out twinkies without the expense and headache of dealing with unions.

Bankruptcy is a fresh start for a food that never goes stale.

169 posted on 11/23/2012 5:45:53 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: vette6387

Do any Freepers remember Eastern Airlines? The mechanics union drove them out of business.

Such are the laws in the US that even if a group of disgruntled union employees approached Hostess on their own with a new “union” they would not be sanctioned to do so, and as such Hostess could not talk with them (aside from the personal danger to the “scabs” from their thug former leaders/members to even try to do such a thing from mediation). In a normal real world— this type of thing would occur and the company could save their jobs. It is like there is a total I want it now mentality— and the hell with the future.

Admittedly, companies do not honor any loyalty— unless it is in their corporate philosophy to do so. And even then loyalty can be unrewarded by the hazards of business and failures. Speaking of really big businesses, they simply do not care, and the management training trains to this expectation behaviourally.

Please also keep in mind that the dems will NOT give up on card check, trying to create the same animus in small family companies with 200 or fewer employees. Thank deMAOcrats. They will never see it that way, what few dems like to think they are patriots, on their way to raw labor power, and continue to enable the Cloward Piven dismantling of our country and freedom.


170 posted on 11/23/2012 1:39:01 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: sagar
Actually I do hope that, partially for the reason you stated but also to help hasten the inevitable economic collapse. I really do not care for either unions or 1%er types - in short, anyone with an entitlement mentality. Let the economy crash and burn.

We have foresaken God and our American roots. We deserve this, all of us to greater or lesser extent, as partakers in this system under this government elected by our friends, neighbors, and colleagues.

171 posted on 11/23/2012 11:21:43 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Nachum

FROM THE ARTICLE:

Doug Mansky, a Hostess driver in Detroit and a member of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, was in the process of moving to a cheaper condominium on Tuesday, after his union had agreed to an 8% pay cut that he said would shave $200 a week from his income. After Judge Drain cleared Hostess to impose the same new labor terms on the bakers union, they went on strike.

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If $200 per week were shaved off his income, he was making $2500 per week = $130,000 per year. Most people will have little sympathy for him.


172 posted on 11/25/2012 12:18:19 AM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Nachum

I have even heard a few morons stating there is no judge in bankruptcy court only a trustee. news to all the nation’s bankruptcy judges.

Also in Chapter 11, the debtor in posession, IS the trustee.

This is a chapter 7 and thus has a court appointed trustee.

This makes me thing the owners as “going galt”.


173 posted on 11/26/2012 8:58:58 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: sagar

reminds me of the end of Fountainhead. The “union” boss wins the battle but the newspaper is shut down PERMANENTLY.


174 posted on 11/26/2012 9:38:46 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jboot
It isn't quite as good as my own handmade bread, but it is still pretty darn good for the money.

LOL! You're a better baker than I, apparently. Mine always has a good flavor, but the fluffy texture always eludes me.

175 posted on 11/27/2012 5:50:28 AM PST by MamaTexan (In Propria Persona)
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To: kvanbrunt2

It just arrived up here.

I have now eaten it once.

That was enough for this lifetime.


176 posted on 11/27/2012 7:43:17 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: kvanbrunt2

It just arrived up here.

I have now eaten it once.

That was enough for this lifetime.


177 posted on 11/27/2012 7:43:17 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: MamaTexan

Fluffiness requires a finer grind of flour than the “bread flour” that you can get in the store. I prefer rustic breads, so my loaves are not exactly fluffy. They aren’t heavy, though. The single biggest factor in getting a good rise is the yeast. The stuff they sell in packets at supermarkets is usually at the end of its rope. I get mine from a local Amish market.


178 posted on 11/27/2012 7:57:55 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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