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Oh What a Tangled Web [Benghazi]
National Review Online ^ | November 20, 2012 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/20/2012 2:31:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Supporters of President Obama have dubbed those who question administration statements about Libya as either partisans or conspiracy theorists, on the premise that the administration had no reason to dissimulate. But in fact, it had plenty of political reasons not to be candid, as the following questions make clear................................

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; benghazi; middleeast; vdh; wot

1 posted on 11/20/2012 2:32:00 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No matter how incompetent his abilities or malevolent his intents, Obama simply is not going to be damaged by this or any scandal. The “media” have built a massive firewall of protection around him... try as we might with presenting facts to the contrary, Amerikans are too drunk on the 0bama kool-aid and too enthralled with him to see reality.


2 posted on 11/20/2012 2:45:30 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: ScottinVA

Well,
This marxist punk does have a nice smile


3 posted on 11/20/2012 3:03:37 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: ScottinVA

Very true but until the Republicans can put a man or woman in front of us that has some balls (no i do not mean Hillary) the democratic machine will continue to run over us. It is time the Republicans got a set and called a spade a spade. No offense intended but the guy is paper president and useless for America. He is the ultimate anti American.


4 posted on 11/20/2012 3:23:57 AM PST by Plumberman27
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To: Plumberman27

5 posted on 11/20/2012 4:02:10 AM PST by Howie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
1. WHY was Amb. Stevens in Benghazi that night with NO SECURITY?? WHO SENT HIM THERE??

2. WHY did Sean Smith think they would die that night?

3. WHERE are the 20-30 people that were rescued that night nd flown out?? McCain said they were in Germany...WHY haven;t we heard from them??

4. WHY was NO HELP SENT TO THE SEALS THAT NIGHT??

6 posted on 11/20/2012 4:03:22 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: Plumberman27

“Very true but until the Republicans can put a man or woman in front of us that has some balls . . “

The Dems are doing a good job of destroying the more aggressive Republicans with the exception of those who destroy themselves. Allen West is the latest casualty. Palin has been neutered. Gingrich blew himself up. Bachmann has almost been neutered. Chris Christy has almost destroyed himself. Bobby Jindal seems to be positioning to join the appeasers. Scott Walker endured the vicious onslaught of the media, the Democrat party, the unions, and the government bureaucracy to squeak out a win in the recall but likely faces an even more vicious war if he ever again runs for office. The Dems are excellent at employing Alinsky tactics to isolate and destroy individuals while Republicans are unwilling to unite and defend individual GOP members under attack. Even when leaders become isolated and vulnerable, the Republican leadership runs away (Nixon, Gingrich, Livingston, Lott).

In contrast the Dems defend their own. Bill Clinton survived impeachment for perjury because his party and its constituents united behind him and fought for him. Obama, Holder, Harry Reid, Hillary, and now Susan Rice all have or have had issues that would easily have brought down a Republican. The GOP is unable to mount a sustained and relentless attack on individual Dems. Once a Dem has an issue that sneaks through the media sound barrier and begins to make traction, the Dem propaganda machine goes into full battle mode against perceived opponents. Look at how quickly the Benghazi issue became McCain and Graham’s racism instead of Susan Rice lying. Did the Republicans mount an even stronger counterattack decrying the use of the race card or are they in full retreat?

I’m not counting on the Republicans to develop courage and press to win. Their leadership plays defense not offense and their defensive game is becoming weaker while the opposition becomes stronger and more destructive. . Since the members elect the leadership one must presume the leadership reflects the views of the majority of Republican legislators.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 4:11:26 AM PST by Soul of the South
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...

Well, here we are, folks. Lost again in obamaville with tainted Margaritas, and thanks to bloomers, NO shaker of salt, lost or otherwise. But I do not concede. This is STILL my country even without a real president, and I will fight for it any and every way I can.

Ping.


8 posted on 11/20/2012 4:20:17 AM PST by MestaMachine (TREASON!!!!)
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To: Joe Boucher

And he`s just... oh-so-”cool!”`


9 posted on 11/20/2012 4:32:59 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Joe Boucher

“This marxist punk does have a nice smile”

Understanding you comment was more than likely sarcasm, I still felt compelled to respond:

Actually I think his smile is kinda creepy.


10 posted on 11/20/2012 4:48:22 AM PST by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: V_TWIN

I think he was referring to that famous line in “Deliverance”.


11 posted on 11/20/2012 4:54:38 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

“He got a real pretty mouth, ain’t he?”

-Herbert Coward as Toothless Man in Deliverence.


12 posted on 11/20/2012 5:05:33 AM PST by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Soul of the South
.....Once a Dem has an issue that sneaks through the media sound barrier and begins to make traction, the Dem propaganda machine goes into full battle mode against perceived opponents. Look at how quickly the Benghazi issue became McCain and Graham’s racism instead of Susan Rice lying. Did the Republicans mount an even stronger counterattack decrying the use of the race card or are they in full retreat?

Progressives are like the Borg -- they rise and fall together. Their strength is in numbers

Conservatives aren't naturally "Borg-like." We champion the individual. So how do we unite without becoming consumed and controlled with a "solidarity-like" mindset?

13 posted on 11/20/2012 5:07:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: V_TWIN

14 posted on 11/20/2012 5:13:40 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Three questions for Benghazi-Coward Obama:

1.) Are you HIDING INFORMATION from the US Congress about the Benghazi Massacre?

2.) Have you been LYING to the US Congress, The Media, or the American Public about the Benghazi Massacre?

3.) Were you, as Commander in Chief, GROSSLY NEGLIGENT about your responsibilities to protect and assist those four Americans who subsequently were murdered in the Benghazi Massacre?


15 posted on 11/20/2012 5:46:46 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Ann Archy
Re: the 30 or 36 or 37 or whatever the number. Why haven't they been called to testify? Are they still alive, really I'm starting to wonder. Do they really exist? What the heck is going on? Someone in the press could made a name for themselves that will pay big bucks forever if they would take on the task of really chasing this. So far it seems that Jennifer Griffin and Greta are the most fearless. I'm beginning to think the media has been silenced in some manner, this is beyond blind obedience to the man, perhaps there is some fear in play?
16 posted on 11/20/2012 6:09:59 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: Graewoulf

I don’t have ANY questions. I have a statement.
mr. obama, you are guilty of murder and high treason for the murders of at least 300 Mexican civilians, 6 American government agents, and countless Servicemen in Iraq and Afghanistan whose ROE YOU changed because of YOUR affinity for muslim terrorists and terrorist nations.


17 posted on 11/20/2012 6:12:58 AM PST by MestaMachine (TREASON!!!!)
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To: V_TWIN

Just quoting joe the drunk biden,


18 posted on 11/20/2012 6:28:23 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: ScottinVA

19 posted on 11/20/2012 6:33:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pepperdog

McCain siad they were in GERMANY!! WHO THE HELL ARE THEY??? AND WHY HAVENT THEY TESTIFIED....EVEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS???


20 posted on 11/20/2012 6:35:40 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: MestaMachine
Not certain what to say at this point. Not confused, simply cannot believe the double standard of our drive-bys. Knew it (the double standard) existed though. The standard is not productive for those knowing the truth or other truths when a news organizations in America become the standard bearer for no desire to root out the truth and instead would state lies as truths. Lies bring nations to their knees. This has been witnessed in Europe, Russia, China, throughout Africa, the Middle East, and currently America is being made a lesser nation by our drive-bys refusal to report the truth. Our elected opposition are all too willing to see America knocked to her knees by coordinated attacks from the rats and drive-bys. The facts were once hidden in reporting. Some knew, most did not. Currently lies and liars come in the form of in ones face lies, with an acceptance of a majority of our citizens. Was true once and is true again.

Not of a mind to surrender, Mesta. I will stand with you, and not stand down. This battle will be long and most difficult. If America should fall, it will be the fall of Freedom for all this world. Not sure how the battle is going on the field, though reports are enough to make one believe there have been more losses than we are being told. If God has turned his back, on America, we will know soon enough. With the election gone, regretfully, we may have seen the first clue, and the second clue came from the coverage of the cover-up telling those who know the truth another lie of nothing out of the ordinary.

Good Luck FRiend. Some of us shall fight on should this battle be lost. I know you are one who will.

Sincerely,

nti

21 posted on 11/20/2012 6:43:52 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Joe Boucher

“Just quoting joe the drunk biden”

Thanks, he is the braintrust of the dems you know.


22 posted on 11/20/2012 6:45:45 AM PST by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is a fog of deceit. America was attacked with four citizens killed. Why didn't anyone answer their calls--that is the question.

They want to keep everyone on the "talking points." People need to keep asking these pertinent questions, while the press continues to sleep.

23 posted on 11/20/2012 6:50:44 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (If you repeat a lie enough--it is not true--it is just propaganda.)
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To: Soul of the South

Some of the leadership of the GOP is on the same side as the Dems and seek the destruction of the USA and a “new world order”.


24 posted on 11/20/2012 7:10:00 AM PST by Josephat
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To: pepperdog

The other annex personnel are undercover. I would hope the CIA is not going to voluntarily release their identities. What if, for example, one of them was working with an asset in Pakistan that led to finding bin Ladin—that asset would land in jail or worse. We’ve already seen that happen We’ve already seen that this administration does not care about protecting assets if it benefits them politically.


25 posted on 11/20/2012 7:26:12 AM PST by Wendy44
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To: Wendy44

Good point.


26 posted on 11/20/2012 8:25:15 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I also struggle with the question you’ve proposed.

I see two answers:

1) Better leaders who are able to unite groups with different objectives or beliefs under one unifying theme. Reagan accomplished this.
2) The unifying them - love of country (i.e. good old fashioned patriotism). Reagan understood this.


27 posted on 11/20/2012 6:05:30 PM PST by Soul of the South
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To: Soul of the South

Yes, we need leaders.

However, the moral underpinning which built our nation, has been systematically weakened. Our houses of worship have failed to hold to the truth and failed to teach their flocks the word of God. Strong leaders are grounded in Judeo-Christian belief and understand how exceptionalism springs from freedom — the individual raised in liberty (and the Constitution and rule of law).

Where will our leaders come from?

Green is the new religion. Mother Earth is the new altar.


28 posted on 11/21/2012 1:57:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One thing we have going for us is the innate human desire for freedom when oppression becomes intolerable. The Christian religion grew rapidly during the Roman Empire despite persecution we cannot imagine today. Despite death, enslavement and torture the early Christians found the promise of eternal salvation more compelling than the giving in to the forces of evil on earth. Likewise the Jews survived oppression during Roman times and the Middle Ages. Despite the corruption of the organized church, the Christian religion provided hope for the oppressed masses of Europe during the Middle Ages. Protestants survived persecution during the Reformation. Even the black slaves of pre Civil War America adopted Christianity and found both hope and comfort in the message of God. Today small groups of Christians maintain still the faith even in the face of brutal oppression in Islamic countries.

While the mainstream churches of today’s America may die, history suggests the evangelicals, and perhaps Christian groups that do not exist today, will survive and ultimately prosper no matter how dark the days ahead of us. In fact the power if the message of Christ seems to be strongest in the worst of times.

We seem to be living during a time when civilization is losing to the barbarians. I perceive the advent of a new dark age which may last a millennia or longer. Perhaps Islam will sweep the world, perhaps technology will facilitate the Orwellian dictatorship, perhaps an EMP attack will kill millions while taking us back to a preindustrial society, or perhaps there will be decades of anarchy and destruction. No matter how the coming collapse of the free society manifests itself I have faith enough true Christians will survive to carry the message of Christ and the moral values needed to someday create a new civilization where individuals will be free.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 2:44:01 AM PST by Soul of the South
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To: Soul of the South

Well said.

Hopeful and realistic.


30 posted on 11/21/2012 7:23:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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