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Amnesty won’t magically make Hispanics more Republican
Dailycaller ^

Posted on 11/17/2012 6:55:11 PM PST by chessplayer

Mitt Romney was one amnesty for illegal immigrants away from becoming president of the United States.

That, in essence, is the conventional wisdom following an election in which the Republican presidential candidate lost the Hispanic vote by an eye-popping 71 percent to 27 percent margin.

MSNBC political analyst Chuck Todd predicted last week that “immigration reform” will get “80 to 90 votes” in the U.S. Senate after the GOP’s great Latino lashing of 2012.


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Worked real good for the GOP in the 1980's, didn't it? The GOP went along with amnesty, and Hispanics crapped all over the GOP anyway. It's about who can give Hispanics the most freebies.
1 posted on 11/17/2012 6:55:14 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

It is a stupid idea.


2 posted on 11/17/2012 6:56:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: chessplayer

If the GOP supports another round of amnesty they will never again capture the white house and will be a minoroty party forever.... get out now and build up the tea party


3 posted on 11/17/2012 6:58:26 PM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: chessplayer

Yes, but it will make the GOP into democrats.

Hope the libs vote for ‘em, because I defintitely will not.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 7:01:01 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chessplayer

Amnesty will just make more people for more free stuffin future generations. Those people won’t vote Republican/Conservative. It will solidify a permanent Democratic electorate base.


5 posted on 11/17/2012 7:19:56 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: Wiggins

Sticky keyboard key. I thought I fixed that.


6 posted on 11/17/2012 7:21:25 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: chessplayer

This is one of the two blatant falsehoods that the GOP establishment buys into today. The other is assuming that by abandoning social conservatism and trumpeting fiscal conservatism will somehow win them more minority votes.

Hispanic voters overwhelmingly tend towards democratic affiliations. Opening the flood gates of immigration in the hopes of convincing a 75%+ democratic voting block to vote republican, especially when amnesty would disproportionately favor the poorest (and hence, most interested in government handouts), is akin to saying:
“Well, we record a big loss on each sale... but we’re hoping to make up for it in volume!”

You’re simply not going to engender some great, lifelong “forever-gratitude” by extending citizenship to all comers. Instead, you’ll be giving free votes to the party of free stuff. Bread and circuses will win those votes, not gratitude, and not any miraculous rising sense of fiscal conservatism.

Another popular myth is that social conservatism is a losing issue, and hence why the GOP establishment has scoured the party for the two most liberal, leftist, politicians it could find to run for the presidency. See how well that has turned out?

The fallacy that fiscal conservatism and social liberalism will attract a higher share of the Hispanic vote is laughable. Hispanic voters are, as a whole, very socially conservative, and very fiscally liberal. I recall a poll mentioned recently that asked GOP registered voters to agree or disagree with something akin to the following statement: “I would support paying higher taxes in order to support a government that provided more services”.

What was telling was that among GOP voters, white GOP voters disagreed at the rate of about 83%, but a majority of Hispanic GOP voters actually AGREED.

In our own party fiscal conservatism is a losing issue when it comes to the minority vote, whereas social conservatism is the tie that binds, but somehow the air-headed establishment is still living in some country-club fantasy world that drinks up every popular myth put out by the liberal media.

As a result of these insane, laughable fallacies the party establishment taps liberals to run for the presidency - and then acts shocked when conservatives stay home instead of rushing to the polls. McCain and Romney don’t just reach across the aisle, they LIVE THERE. They’re liberal democrats that are too white, too male, and too straight to make it in the racist, sexist, heterophobic democratic party.

You ran a liberal the first time around(McCain), and when that failed, you ran the more liberal liberal (Romney) that couldn’t even manage to beat your first liberal(McCain). How’d that work out for you folks? And, somehow, at the end of the day, the brilliant political strategists in the GOP assume that somehow flipping off conservatives and telling them to shut up, swallow their bile, and vote anyway wasn’t the problem, noooo. Somehow the strategists assume that the problem was that they simply had candidates that were too conservative.

What we’re seeing with these twin issues, the issues of amnesty and the issue of turning the party’s back on the social conservative base, are functionally akin to choosing which method of political suicide is better for the GOP - hanging or slitting the wrists. In neither case will the GOP gain votes, and in either case the GOP ensures that it will never again win a national election.


7 posted on 11/17/2012 7:22:36 PM PST by jameslalor
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To: chessplayer

What good are citizens going to be, ones whose first acts in this country were disrespecting American laws and, by doing so, disrespecting Americans?


8 posted on 11/17/2012 7:25:59 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: chessplayer

we need to find ways to import conservatives or make the “path to citizanship” process more conducive to right leaners.


9 posted on 11/17/2012 7:27:29 PM PST by Homer1
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To: chessplayer

It really was a black lashing but hey, the democrats don’t want amnesty for blacks so what the hell, let’s fall for whatever they say.


10 posted on 11/17/2012 7:32:01 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: chessplayer

It’s amazing how the GOP falls for every illogical attack by the democrats. Hispanics vote against you so make 30 million more of them instant citizens. How about, don’t make them citizens for that very reason?

Here’s a mental exercise: Imagine what democrats would do to illegal immigrants if Hispanics started voting republican.


11 posted on 11/17/2012 7:35:31 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: chessplayer

” It’s about who can give Hispanics the most freebies. “

Nailed it... That’s the formula: give’m free stuff, hang around with their heros and celebs, say bad things about the opponent, and act like the most popular person, and they will vote for you everytime.

Immigration reform is silly - worked real good for California.


12 posted on 11/17/2012 7:41:33 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Pan_Yans Wife; ...
RE :”MSNBC political analyst Chuck Todd predicted last week that “immigration reform” will get “80 to 90 votes” in the U.S. Senate after the GOP’s great Latino lashing of 2012.
“Republicans will run, not walk, in trying to support that now,” Todd said.
So far, it’s been more like tiptoeing. House Speaker John Boehner told ABC News a “comprehensive approach” to immigration “is long overdue.”
“This issue has been around far too long,” Boehner remarked, apparently bored with musty old things like borders, national sovereignty and the rule of law....
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Hispanics have a high labor force participation rate, but are nevertheless disproportionately poor. In 2011, more than 40 percent of Hispanics reported that they lacked health insurance, which makes Obamacare potentially appealing.
Low incomes force families to rely on government assistance. According to one study, “Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent).”
One survey found that 73 percent of Hispanics opposed cutting Medicare spending and 83 percent preferred to deal with the deficit by raising taxes on the wealthy in conjunction with some budget reductions.

Promises of tax cuts for the rich (Romney's main trick) didn't get Hispanics to vote R so amnesty will. I am sure all these poor Hispanics will vote for 'tax cuts for the rich' if we just give more of them the vote.

What could go wrong with this plan?

13 posted on 11/17/2012 8:09:04 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: chessplayer

Amnesty isn’t the answer. Deportation is.


14 posted on 11/17/2012 8:13:26 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: chessplayer

Opportunity, not security. When our economy collapses and the people lose their security, they’ll be clamoring for opportunity. We need to end the free lunches for the good of all.


15 posted on 11/17/2012 8:16:49 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver

and that is how you bring Hispanic voters to our side.


16 posted on 11/17/2012 8:17:39 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: chessplayer

You have analyzed the situation correctly. I heard a Hispanic caller on Rush’s show basically say that Hispanics believe Government to be the source of wealth.

And they vote accordingly. ‘Pod


17 posted on 11/17/2012 8:18:26 PM PST by sauropod (For Barack so loved the poor, he created millions more of them.)
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To: chessplayer

Democrats react to GOP-e amnesty plans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnXz_qZ5RE&feature=plcp


18 posted on 11/17/2012 8:46:24 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: GeronL
"stupid idea"

Whenever the hear the phrase "reach out", I want to strangle the person saying it. Reaching out basically means pandering.

19 posted on 11/17/2012 8:58:04 PM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2

me too


20 posted on 11/17/2012 9:03:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Here’s a mental exercise: Imagine what democrats would do to illegal immigrants if Hispanics started voting republican.


They would be deporting them by the trainload.


21 posted on 11/17/2012 9:04:38 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Teaching is the only way this can be done and convincing them our philosophy is best for them and everyone else - and end this racialization of everything. Don’t ask me how to go about it, but it is the only way. A hand out war won’t work - that isn’t our brand.


22 posted on 11/17/2012 9:06:17 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: chessplayer
Mitt Romney was one amnesty for illegal immigrants away from becoming president of the United States.

Mitt Romney was never going to win this election. He wouldn't have won had he promised amnesty. Republicans will never win the presidency again.

The combination of massive voter fraud perfected, and entire voting blocks bought and paid for with government programs (yes, "gifts"), will win every time from this point forward. Elections no longer mean anything.

Sadly, the idiot Republicans will still help to pass amnesty in 2013.

24 posted on 11/17/2012 9:16:52 PM PST by Washi (Look on the bright side: the world is scheduled to end on Dec. 21st.)
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To: driftless2

“whenever the here the phrase.... sheesh....whenever “I” hear the phrase. Must proofread better.


25 posted on 11/17/2012 9:17:54 PM PST by driftless2
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To: chessplayer

The the very successful Hispanic adoption of the decades old Black mantra of “racism” is creating competition for that white conscience welfare dollar. That has put their respective leaders in increasingly contentious position of going after a bigger bite of the same size apple.

Republicans need only to keep their conservative core as internecine battles inexorably tear apart the Welfare Party.


26 posted on 11/17/2012 9:43:06 PM PST by Cyman
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To: chessplayer

“Me too” never works.


27 posted on 11/17/2012 9:45:52 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: chessplayer

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in Mexican elections


28 posted on 11/17/2012 9:46:28 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: Andrei Bulba

“Here’s a mental exercise: Imagine what democrats would do to illegal immigrants if Hispanics started voting republican.”

If that happened, the Dems wouldn’t be able to get that border fence built soon enough. Not to mention they’d have guards stationed along the fence with instructions to shoot anyone trying to get across.


29 posted on 11/17/2012 9:49:09 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: jameslalor; All

How Romney and his handlers ever thought they could suggest that Hispanics “self deport” and then successfully ask for their vote boggles the mind. They may have illusions from the Republican slant of the early Cuban settlers in Florida who mostly were the more moneyed class in Cuba when Castro drove them out. Each subsequent generation is becoming more liberal and the Mexicans and Central Americans were always more liberal.


30 posted on 11/17/2012 9:59:13 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Andrei Bulba
Imagine what democrats would do to illegal immigrants if Hispanics started voting republican.

Heh. I don't know how many illegals vote here but my county is over 60% Hispanic and votes 78% Republican.

I agree that amnesty Hispanics, here for the free stuff, would vote for Democrats. But our Hispanics work. Hard.

31 posted on 11/17/2012 10:46:39 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: gleeaikin
How Romney and his handlers ever thought they could suggest that Hispanics “self deport” and then successfully ask for their vote boggles the mind.

Do you have a link to where he asked 'hispanics' to self deport? I've only ever read of him asking illegal aliens to self deport.
32 posted on 11/18/2012 3:51:11 AM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: chessplayer

We conservatives will not defeat the progressives until or unless we unmask and defeat the fifth columnists in the Republican Party. Karl Rove is a professed atheist who dreads a Paul Ryan or a Sarah Palin or a Marco Rubio or even a Rick Santorum leading a faith based, values based party of conservatives. He’s not alone. The Bush clan, the RNC and most Senate Republicans are the same ilk. If Rand Paul, Rubio, Cruz or any real conservatives grabs the lead the cabal of power hungry insiders lose. They will fight to the last breath to stay in charge of the party because it means power and fame.They destroyed Akin, Mourdock and even Romney. The next four years is a good time for a purge!


33 posted on 11/18/2012 5:40:30 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: All
NYT reports----liberals look at Obama and see a coalition bound together by enlightened values — reason, tolerance, diversity and equality.............

Conservatives look at Obama and see:

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"The Obama coalition is a tight-knit group bound together by enlightened values — reason, tolerance, diversity and equality......."

Hmmmmmmm.....sounds an awful lot like the "People's Temple." Rev Jones promised a "better life" and all the hope and change they could ever want, too.

It sure was thoughtful of Rev Jones to bring lotsa Kool-aid (and cases of cyanide) for the diverse crowd that blindly followed him to a remote South American jungle.....from which there was no escape.

34 posted on 11/18/2012 6:36:42 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: All
ONCE AMNESTY KICKS IN WE CAN FORGET ABOUT AMERICA'S SACROSANCT RULE OF LAW

Mexico is pushing north at a furious pace---throwing its "pressure groups" over the border---salivating for reconquista---to takeover the SW--- financing and coaching their fifth column invasion of US borders.

The wailing and whining invaders' propaganda-----"just here for a better life, to do jobs Americanos won't do"---really "gets" bleeding heart sap-happy liberals.....and vote-crazed US politicians.

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AS FREEPER ISABELC INSIGHTFULLY POSTED: "Every illegal alien who is employed in the US has committed one or more of the following crimes: (1) ID Theft, (2) Document Fraud, (3) Social Security Fraud, (4) Employment (I-9 Form) Fraud, (5) Federal Income Tax Evasion, and, (6) Conspiracy to Violate Immigration Laws."

35 posted on 11/18/2012 6:40:26 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: GeronL

The GOP is too stupid to be allowed to continue as a political party. The Tea Party has to step up and replace it.


36 posted on 11/18/2012 8:32:25 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Pan_Yans Wife; AuntB; Liz
MSNBC political analyst Chuck Todd predicted last week that “immigration reform” will get “80 to 90 votes” in the U.S. Senate after the GOP’s great Latino lashing of 2012. “Republicans will run, not walk, in trying to support that now,” Todd said. So far, it’s been more like tiptoeing. House Speaker John Boehner told ABC News a “comprehensive approach” to immigration “is long overdue.” “This issue has been around far too long,” Boehner remarked, apparently bored with musty old things like borders, national sovereignty and the rule of law....

For Chuck Todd, simple surrender is not enough. Maybe Boehner should follow Obama's example by apologizing for the history of US immigration policy, which has been remarkably generous in the last 30 years, but apparently not generous enough.

37 posted on 11/18/2012 10:45:26 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: posterchild

I just entered “Romney self deport” in the FR search bar in the upper right hand corner. Got about 5 articles. In one McCain said that Romney realizes that self deportation is not the only answer to the immigration problem. Another article reported that Romney said it during the Primary campaign. The Wall Street Journal made reference to it. I did not read the whole articles, but you can search it yourself and read all of them.


38 posted on 11/18/2012 10:56:39 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; AuntB; Tennessee Nana

I hear that instead of prayer before each session——Boehner and the Boys will do the Mexican Hat Dance on their new sombreros.


39 posted on 11/19/2012 3:40:16 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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