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Tribal America (Our sudden political obsession with Hispanics)
National Review ^ | 11/17/2012 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/17/2012 11:39:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind

To an immigrant such as myself (not the undocumented kind, but documented up to the hilt, alas), one of the most striking features of election-night analysis was the lightly worn racial obsession. On Fox News, Democrat Kirsten Powers argued that Republicans needed to deal with the reality that America is becoming what she called a “brown country.” Her fellow Democrat Bob Beckel observed on several occasions that if the share of the “white vote” was held down below 73% Romney would lose. In the end, it was 72% and he did. Beckel’s assertion — that if you knew the ethnic composition of the electorate you also knew the result — turned out to be correct.

his is what less enlightened societies call tribalism: For example, in the 1980 election leading to Zimbabwe’s independence, Joshua Nkomo’s ZAPU-PF got the votes of the Ndebele people while Robert Mugabe’s ZANU-PF secured those of the Shona — and, as there were more Shona than Ndebele, Mugabe won. That same year America held an election, and Ronald Reagan won a landslide victory. Nobody talked about tribal-vote shares back then, but had the percentage of what Beckel calls the “white vote” been the same in 2012 as it was in 1980 (88 percent), Mitt Romney would have won in an even bigger landslide than Reagan. The “white vote” will be even lower in 2016, and so, on the Beckel model, Republicans are set to lose all over again.

Hence the urge to get on the right side of America’s fastest-growing demographic. Only 27 percent of Hispanics voted for Romney. But all that could change if the GOP were to sign on to support some means of legalizing the presence of the 12–20 million fine upstanding members of the Undocumented-American community who are allegedly “social conservatives”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; hispanics; race

1 posted on 11/17/2012 11:39:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: JLS

Steyn ping.


2 posted on 11/17/2012 11:45:15 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Its the media that is obsessed with Hispanics...I think its the word “Hispanic” that turns them on10 years ago you didn't hear anyone called that...
3 posted on 11/17/2012 12:01:09 PM PST by goat granny
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To: SeekAndFind
>> Only 27 percent of Hispanics voted for Romney. But all that could change if the GOP were to sign on to support some means of legalizing the presence of the 12–20 million <<

Yep, we could go from 27% to 15%, once millions of third world socialists no longer have to jump through hoops to vote illegally and can now openly campaign for Democrats. That's what happened the last time (1986) that we decided to give a "pathway to citizenship" for illegals, the GOP share of the "Hispanic vote" went DOWN after the amnesty.

>> members of the Undocumented-American community who are allegedly “social conservatives” <<

Ah yes, those wonderful folks that have eight children by three different fathers (none of whom take any interest in their children's lives), love Obamacare, and just helped the "gay community" pass gay marriage in Maryland. If they're "social conservatives", Obama is Jewish.

4 posted on 11/17/2012 12:13:33 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Our European heritage is out the window now; thanks to unrestricted immigration and other factors, America will come more and more to resemble not Europe, but rather some sort of down-at-heel African republic or corrupt Central American dictatorship.

This is and has always been intended by the Democrats, who seek to maintain power with hordes of immigrant poor sucking away at the government teat and thus giving up their votes with their dependency.

This is America’s future now.


5 posted on 11/17/2012 12:19:01 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: SeekAndFind

I want the mojados to go home-and no, I’m not a bigot-my family has been living in what is now Texas since the late 1700’s, and ethnically speaking, I’m as hispanic as tortillas de maiz-I’m an American first of all-if I wanted to live in an ethnically segregated country, I’d move to someplace in Europe-like France...

All that needs to happen is to cut off the free stuff to anyone who can’t prove legal immigration status (green card) or citizenship-no lonestar card, no medicaid, no subsidized housing-zero, zip, nada-and the moochers will be gone in a matter of months. Meantime, fortify the borders so they can’t get back in...

Flame away, if you like, but that is how I see it...


6 posted on 11/17/2012 12:26:22 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: SeekAndFind

From Mark Steyn: “...On my own recent visit to a U.S. Immigration office, I was interested to be told that, as a matter of policy, the Obama administration is now rubberstamping all “fee waiver” requests for “exceptional hardship” filed by members of approved identity groups...”

The sole purpose of such actions on the part of the Democrats is to curry votes from this demographic group.

The purpose of the Obama administration is to collapse the United States and deepen communism here. Oh! And quite possibly the genocide of all white people, which is progressing apace in South Africa under the control of the communists in the ANC.


7 posted on 11/17/2012 2:06:37 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone notice that most of the Indian reservations voted for Obama, EXCEPT OKLAHOMA!


8 posted on 11/17/2012 2:08:16 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

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Thanks for the ping Slings and Arrows.


9 posted on 11/17/2012 6:12:57 PM PST by JLS
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

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Thanks for the ping Slings and Arrows.


10 posted on 11/17/2012 6:13:16 PM PST by JLS
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

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Thanks for the ping Slings and Arrows.


11 posted on 11/17/2012 6:14:13 PM PST by JLS
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To: SeekAndFind
Add in the death panels expediting the demise of primarily white Republican voters and it's not pretty.


12 posted on 11/17/2012 6:19:06 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: BillyBoy
Why go with Hispanics? Why not offer any person's who's Japanese total protection from the GOP - sanctuary cities, the whole nine yards. "Our" illegals will have to silently agree to vote Republican. Sign 'em up as their crossing the border... We can do the same for Bulgaria, Norway, and Sweden. We can call them ‘immigrants’ even though they're coming here illegally ( well, with a wink and nod from us...)

I wonder if the suck ups at the New York Times would offer them a pass and an excuse if they're voting consercvative? My guess is the boys at the New York Times will quickly find their outrage...

13 posted on 11/17/2012 8:36:11 PM PST by GOPJ (The economy is so bad MSNBC had to lay off 300 Obama spokesmen - Leno)
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To: Texan5

I’m with you, Texan5.


14 posted on 11/17/2012 8:37:12 PM PST by MollyGoose
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To: SeekAndFind

Anne Coulter had the same take —

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-11-14.html


15 posted on 11/17/2012 10:14:49 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anne Coulter had the same take —

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-11-14.html


16 posted on 11/17/2012 10:14:58 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s what happens when a melting pot becomes a tossed salad.


17 posted on 11/17/2012 10:16:37 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SatinDoll; SeekAndFind
Oh! And quite possibly the genocide of all white people, which is progressing apace in South Africa under the control of the communists in the ANC.

Also perhaps via encouraging abortion for whites while encouraging reproduction for non-whites? Recently I have heard of the term "reproductive justice" -- is that what this is supposed to mean?

18 posted on 11/17/2012 10:22:00 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

“Reproductive justice”? I’ve never heard the term.

You might want to read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_justice


19 posted on 11/17/2012 11:17:36 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

Thanks for the link. It generally seems to be about pro-contraception and pro-abortion issues, but there is also an anti-human trafficking angle.


20 posted on 11/17/2012 11:30:47 PM PST by thecodont
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To: SeekAndFind

“Hispanic” is a misnomer anyway.

Most of them are INDIAN.

As in American Indian.

The ancient Aztecs, Incas, Olmecs, whatever split into tribes. The conquistadors brought them the Spanish language and Christianity (among other things*). But genetically they are native American, some mixed with white or slave blood (as many from the Caribbean).

Oh, but that’s racist to mention that, of course.

*Notice Columbus gets all the approbium, how come Pizarro gets a free pass?


21 posted on 11/18/2012 4:48:36 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yankees, who live in states like Minnesota Vermont etc., who have little contact with minority politics and are in a lily white dream world feel free to vote as liberal as possible as the effects of there “heroic altruism” are only felt “down there”.


22 posted on 11/18/2012 4:56:26 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: P.O.E.

RE: *Notice Columbus gets all the approbium, how come Pizarro gets a free pass?

Wait till someone brings up the idea of having a Francisco Pizzaro day and then you’ll see...


23 posted on 11/18/2012 6:55:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The never ending fiction is that the ‘Hispanic’ community is somehow obsessed with the legalizing of illegal aliens continues each and every day. There are some areas that may need to be addressed, sure, but for day to day life, here's how the issue breaks down for the community:

Illegals continually drive down income, drive up crime, bring drugs, rape and molestations, and finally, drive down local schools. Worst, they create this atmosphere of a supposedly ‘Mexican only’ problem, where the majority of ‘brown skinned people’ only speak Spanish.

Pick a person randomly in the community - say the typical third or fourth generation American of ‘hispanic’ descent. They'll explain to you the embarrassment of not understanding when addressed in Spanish, the frustration of being assumed to be applying for a low level job, the assumption that if they are in college that they got there only because of the color of their skin. Of mail that arrives in all Spanish, of going to an ATM and having it default to Spanish.

Of their kids being beaten in the streets for not being cholo enough, of teachers not challenging their kids. Of going to register their kids for school, and having to verbally refuse multiple times free meals as they don't qualify.

It is a community which is only addressed in passing by the GOP, and only in the format of pandering. Never do you hear a GOP candidate talking about how they want to help clean up the streets by deporting these criminals, of restoring pride to the community by restoring English as the default language, of ending the endless racism in schools that paints every ‘Hispanic’ child as being at the very least a child of an illegal immigrant.

The only party in the history of the country which has created wholesale amnesties was the Republican party. If this was the only issue for ‘Hispanic’ voters, then obviously conservatives would have a free ride. Instead, you have a limited number of liberal activists who try to paint the sole issue being illegal immigration and they want to set that as the only tone in debates, lest conservatives address one of the most conservative communities in America as conservatives, who want to be tough on crime, who want to make English the only official language, who want to end the constant discrimination they suffer from liberals who assume everyone with brown skin is an illegal.

But instead, we play the tune the liberals want, and divide up the country into little tiny pieces. This is why the continued push to bring forward liberal lites fails time and time again on the national stage: When we fail to offer the voters a choice, when we fail to set a national agenda that stretches far beyond one race, we default back to only the liberals having a national agenda and become just the party of no.

And in the end, we create in the minds of all voters the idea that there is no difference between the two parties, that it doesn't matter who wins - we all lose.

24 posted on 11/18/2012 7:25:23 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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