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Petraeus replacement to testify CIA never requested military assistance in Benghazi (hhmmm)
Hot Air ^ | November 15, 2012 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/15/2012 6:11:48 AM PST by SE Mom

...When the CIA’s acting director, Michael Morell, testifies Thursday before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, he is expected to say that the agency never requested Europe-based special operations teams, specialized Marine platoons, or armed drones on the night of the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi, Libya, according to a senior U.S. intelligence official...

...That differs from what Fox News reported almost three weeks ago, and which has gone virtually unchallenged in the vacuum of official explanations about Benghazi since. Jennifer Griffin reported on October 26th, citing sources that were actually “on the ground” in Benghazi during the attack, that the CIA contingent repeatedly requested assistance — but were told to “stand down” twice by officials in the CIA chain of command...

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazihearings; libya; morell; petraeus
Ok- so here we have two stories in TOTAL conflict with one another.

So...did Jennifer Griffin's sources lie to her?

Orrr...is Morell lying to Congress? Will he testify under oath today?

1 posted on 11/15/2012 6:11:51 AM PST by SE Mom
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To: MestaMachine; penelopesire; maggief; thouworm; onyx; holdonnow

Who to believe...who to believe...


2 posted on 11/15/2012 6:13:24 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

American flag. Soviet machinations.


3 posted on 11/15/2012 6:14:36 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: SE Mom
The CIA has alll sorts of mgt. levels. Who knows at what level the requests stopped being sent up the chain.

Besides the bldg/compound under attack nominally belonged to the State Dept. It could easily be the case that it was the State Dept op that requested assistance, leaving the CIA off the hook.

The real question is what ops were being undertaken in Ben Ghazi and who set them in motion?

4 posted on 11/15/2012 6:15:57 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: SE Mom

Are we to believe that an American embassy under attack has to REQUEST help?


5 posted on 11/15/2012 6:16:02 AM PST by OSHA (One despises and wants to destroy the United States, the other is a dead terrorist.)
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To: SE Mom

It [the “testimony”] does what it is supposed to. It gets obama off the hook.


6 posted on 11/15/2012 6:17:53 AM PST by sport
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To: SE Mom

Leftists lie. No surprise here.


7 posted on 11/15/2012 6:19:08 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: SE Mom

Well, Joe Wilson was right. All this Administration does is lie. And they get away with it. So they just keep lying. Why not?


8 posted on 11/15/2012 6:19:14 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: SE Mom

I haven’t heard that since the Clinton days.


9 posted on 11/15/2012 6:19:14 AM PST by sport
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To: SE Mom

All of these communications would have been recorded. I expect that the incriminating portions have already been expunged. As for whether there were specific requests for assistance, being told “we’re under attack by a well armed and sizeable force” is more than sufficient to warrant a response from CIA headquarters. How could they not have asked the most basic questions of their people at the Annex: What is the current situation? Are you holding your perimeter? Have their been any casualties? What weapons do you have? What weapons do the enemy have? DO YOU REQUIRE ASSISTANCE? We are being asked to believe that the Director of the CIA, an experienced military commander, didn’t do anything because people under attack didn’t ask???


10 posted on 11/15/2012 6:19:28 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: SE Mom

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83652.html

Michael Morell

Now the acting director, Morell served as deputy CIA director to Petraeus since 2010. He has been the agency’s director of Asian Pacific and Latin American Analysis and the briefer of presidents on national security matters.

In that position, according to a White House aide, Morell often briefed Obama as the United States closed in on Osama bin Laden, earning the president’s trust and developing a close relationship with him.

Morell is “extraordinarily well respected in the White House, across the intelligence community and throughout the national security establishment,” the aide said, discussing the deputy’s elevation to acting director.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/david-petraeus-resigns-after-a-bumpy-ride/2012/11/09/64ba03f8-2ab8-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_blog.html

The smartest thing Petraeus did was to form a partnership early on with Michael Morell, who was acting director before his arrival and resumed that role Friday. Morell is a career analyst and veteran of the mill that produces the famous “PDB,” or president’s daily brief, and he knew the agency’s culture — or at least the analysts’ version of it. His task was to encourage Petraeus when his commander’s instincts made sense for the agency, and dissuade him when his ideas were counter-productive.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/09/michael-j-morell-introducing-the-cia-s-new-acting-director.html

Michael J. Morell: Introducing the CIA’s New Acting Director


11 posted on 11/15/2012 6:19:29 AM PST by maggief
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To: SE Mom

When you don’t have a free press, like the US now, the government can say and do pretty much whatever it wants. At least the USSR had the ‘at that time’ free Western press trying to set the record straight. In 2012, however, we don’t have much in the way of truth seekers to protect us from the politburo.


12 posted on 11/15/2012 6:20:55 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: OSHA
Are we to believe that an American embassy under attack has to REQUEST help?

A couple weeks ago a former special operator called into a talk show to explain to the host how it works when an embassy or consulate is under attack. Immediately after the first shots were fired, a communications specialist (likely Sean Smith) fired off numerous secure communications to a post in DC that reports directly to the President. Those secure communications would've outlined that the embassy was under attack and needed immediate assistance. That communication would've been handed to the President directly. That communications specialist cannot hand the communication to anyone except the president, so Obama knew. He knew, he had to make a call, and he did not.

4 men died as a result.

13 posted on 11/15/2012 6:21:17 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SE Mom

There’s no conflict.

The CIA people on site requested military assistance and their CIA bosses didn’t.

...Because Obama didn’t give them Cross Border Authority.


14 posted on 11/15/2012 6:23:37 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SE Mom

`Read them,’ said the King.

The White Rabbit put on his spectacles. `Where shall I begin, please your Majesty?’ he asked.

`Begin at the beginning,’ the King said gravely, `and go on till you come to the end: then stop.’

These were the verses the White Rabbit read:—

`They told me you had been to her,
And mentioned me to him:
She gave me a good character,
But said I could not swim.

He sent them word I had not gone
(We know it to be true):
If she should push the matter on,
What would become of you?

I gave her one, they gave him two,
You gave us three or more;
They all returned from him to you,
Though they were mine before.

If I or she should chance to be
Involved in this affair,
He trusts to you to set them free,
Exactly as we were.

My notion was that you had been
(Before she had this fit)
An obstacle that came between
Him, and ourselves, and it.

Don’t let him know she liked them best,
For this must ever be
A secret, kept from all the rest,
Between yourself and me.’

`That’s the most important piece of evidence we’ve heard yet,’ said the King, rubbing his hands; `so now let the jury—’


15 posted on 11/15/2012 6:24:06 AM PST by ILS21R
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To: Psalm 144

Left Hand - Right Hand

Overtheirheads - Outofcontrol


16 posted on 11/15/2012 6:35:54 AM PST by bigbob
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To: OSHA

Bingo


17 posted on 11/15/2012 6:36:27 AM PST by plain talk
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To: mrsmith

All of the statements about this thing from the very beginning have been cast in the Bill Clinton mode: “It depends on what the meaning of “is” is.”

They are trying to keep it to some level where they feel they can defend themselves as being correct on a technicality and are answering solely based on their parsing of the question, not what the questioner really wanted to know.


18 posted on 11/15/2012 6:37:02 AM PST by livius
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To: maggief

Of course the problem is- there is NO ONE we can actually trust. It’s possible that Griffin’s source was not telling the truth- or that it was a cover story THEY were making up.

It’s hard to believe that NO requests for help were requested. I seem to remember audio tapes while it was going on that asked for help..


19 posted on 11/15/2012 6:38:14 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
It’s hard to believe that NO requests for help were requested. I seem to remember audio tapes while it was going on that asked for help..

IIR, there were some rather horrific sounding tapes of the three SEAL/CIA-types screaming for help. Hope someone saved those because that is all we have to contradict the lies. Thank you, General Can't-Keep-My-Pants-On for taking what ever hope for justice there was and squashing it.

20 posted on 11/15/2012 6:50:14 AM PST by madison10
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To: Paladin2

It would seem to me that unless the State Department personnel including the Ambassador were assigned to to work temporarily under the command of the CIA there is a protocol. Three words: “Chain”, “Of”, and “Command”. IF Ambassador Stevens was assigned to work temporarily for the CIA for whatever reason, then his Chain of Command would have been directly to the CIA, but IF he was not, and was totally under the State Department, then the CIA would be off the hook for any requests by Mr. Stevens other than having been aware, and doing some communication possibly to gain approval themselves to do something in a timely manner to save those peoples lives.

It is because of this real life “Chain of Command” protocol that I believe this whole screwup belongs to the team of Obama/Hillary with Hillary running point.

As does Fast & Furious, THIS Benghazi screwup STINKS of a typical Hillary forged scenario with half-assed follow through if none at all. Hillary transforms deadly imaginings into political games, but without the extensive details she is either too lazy to forge to completion, or too incompetent to do so, thus leaves for Belize, or wherever leaving others to try to manage without her to consult.

They are scrambling to protect the Party for Hillary’s 2016 run.


21 posted on 11/15/2012 6:58:58 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: SE Mom
Man gets into accident.

His car is on fire, he can't get out.

He calls for help.

No help is sent.

The Emergency dispatcher gets called in to explain:

"Well, sir, he didn't ask for an ambulance, nor a fire truck, nor police, so we didn't send anyone."

Candy Crowley, George Stephanopoulis and Diane Sawyer all note the dispacher is a Democrat and sing out in perfect harmony:

"Why that makes perfect sense."

22 posted on 11/15/2012 7:07:10 AM PST by cookcounty ("For the first time in my adult life I am not proud of my country.")
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To: SE Mom

There will be legion testimony to oppose this, from people who heard the CIA plea in real time.

Morell and Obama think they have capped their leakers and whistle blowers......sorry, they have not.


23 posted on 11/15/2012 7:08:11 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: rarestia; SE Mom
That communications specialist cannot hand the communication to anyone except the president, so Obama knew. He knew, he had to make a call, and he did not.

I expect Petraeus to continue to tow the line, though I hope that he will do the right thing and blow the lid sky high off Benghazi by simply and truthfully noting that POTUS declined to give the order. Of course, he'll probably try to say both things at the same time and please the WH and those seeking the truth.

Petraeus, like most generals, has been extremely politically adept. His thinking on military strategy fits in superbly with globalist NGO interests which are the de factor policy-making groups for both the Bush and Obama administrations. This is why he shot to the top of every list of top world leaders over the last decade, and the trajectory of his career is completely based on his theories. So he is entirely invested personally in the globalist, elitist, NGO agenda, though he may actually not even be aware just how much he is. The nation-building outlook, shared by others - but certainly not all - in military leadership is diametrically opposed to traditional warmaking and is undermining U.S. ability to face potential large adversaries without experiencing the enormous losses incurred when going up against those who are all too willing to sacrifice millions of their own in a horrific war of attrition. Of course, without overwhelming superiority, risks increase exponentially; not risks of policing third world countries, but risks of the difficulties associated with brutal, old-school war.

Once someone opens the pandora's box of saying the President would not give a cross-border authorization, the next logical question is why.

The answer to "why" can only point to a) afraid, b) stupid or c) globalist plot in which POTUS was tasked with not giving the cross-border authorization, either specifically for this operation or a standing order for the duration of his terms in office.

The dainty Republicans in the Senate are publicly leaving the option for b) on the table for POTUS to accept. The dainties are also, of course, doggie-paddling like crazy to try to shore up their support amongst conservatives by seeming to pounce on POTUS regarding this he-man issue.

God forbid anyone in Congress actually admits publicly that POTUS is a stooge working for the New Left under the watchful eye of his handler, Valerie Jarrett.
24 posted on 11/15/2012 7:26:57 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

So 2 SEALS/CIA ran at a small army and faced a certain death? BTW, a caller to WRKO this morning said they were told to stand down and they should have.


25 posted on 11/15/2012 7:31:24 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SE Mom
Rush military caller says beyond shadow of doubt Obama knew about Benghazi

"He told Rush that protocol dictates that as soon as the situation room got the email about the Benghazi attack, someone marched up to the president and informed him of the attack. He says it’s a bald faced lie if they say otherwise.

He also says that it was the president who gave the order at his 5pm meeting that day to not respond to the Libya attack in progress."


26 posted on 11/15/2012 7:40:03 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
"opens the pandora's box of saying the President would not give a cross-border authorization"

ValJer?

27 posted on 11/15/2012 7:40:13 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: maggief
We NEED to understand WHY Gen Hamm was fired.

If he had an order to send something into the battle then he was acting as the POTOS claims top have ordered the Military.

So WHY???

Why then does he AND the Admiral get fired?!!!!!!

They WERE executing what the President ordered them to do, but they are now arrested and demoted.

28 posted on 11/15/2012 7:42:35 AM PST by R0CK3T
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To: massgopguy

I saw some reference to these two guys sending 80 Jihadis to meet their 72 porcine virgins. Is there a media reference to that?


29 posted on 11/15/2012 7:47:50 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: SE Mom

But did they request HELP!

Were they supposed to request specific HELP?

I don’t understand. Is this more parsing of words? Of course they would have asked for help, they were under attack for hours.


30 posted on 11/15/2012 8:01:10 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: SE Mom

There’s audio of requests for help, Hannity says.


31 posted on 11/15/2012 8:17:24 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SE Mom
Broadwell also confirmed that the CIA guys at the annex asked for Delta Force backup.

Now, she might have been relying on the Fox report. Or she may have had other sources of information.

32 posted on 11/15/2012 8:55:48 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: madison10
Sean Hannity said on both his tv and radio shows that his sources told him there were recordings of the annex guys pleading for help.

As far as I know, those recordings have never been made public and transcripts have never been released.

33 posted on 11/15/2012 9:00:55 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito

Maybe those sources have since been silenced...


34 posted on 11/15/2012 9:04:02 AM PST by madison10
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To: rockinqsranch

Thus, Hillary took full responsibility for Benghazi, and now she is in Australia as she awaits her resignation day.

State Department employees put out the first calls for help.


35 posted on 11/15/2012 9:09:30 AM PST by petitfour
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To: All

36 posted on 11/15/2012 10:25:02 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("God only knows it's not what we would choose to do." - Lyric from Us and Them - Pink Floyd)
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To: SE Mom

A bit of waterboarding should be in order, to arrive at the truth....


37 posted on 11/15/2012 10:36:00 AM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: SE Mom

That CIA may not have requested something does not imply that the consulate didn’t... or the embassy... or the State Department...

And if CIA HQ may not have, this doesn’t mean that CIA boots on the ground did not.....

Watch for the nuances.

But the bigger story is the four week Presidential LIE and the the Hillary LIE.


38 posted on 11/15/2012 1:11:47 PM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: SE Mom

I want to know this really basic information......Has anyone asked or do they know if Obama was specifically in the “situation room” during this attack and for how long? How long into the attack did he give the order and to whom, to assist these people?


39 posted on 11/15/2012 1:19:35 PM PST by Toespi
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To: SE Mom

It’s going to take more than “unnamed sources” to take down Obama.


40 posted on 11/15/2012 1:48:16 PM PST by turn_to
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To: Toespi

As far as I know- no one has directly asked O where he was and what he was doing for those many hours that we were under attack in Benghazi. There’s some speculation- but no one has definitive answer.

However, we DO have photos of him in the Situation Room a week before the ELECTION “working” on the response to Hurricane Sandy.


41 posted on 11/15/2012 1:53:12 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

This simple, IF the CIC was in the situation room or even being briefed on the situation in Benghazi, he is immediately and irrevocably responsible for decision-making during such a crisis. That is what he is paid for and that is what is expected. This business of questioning the State Department, the CIA, and the military is all a diversion. I want to see Obama’s ass brought in for questioning, he is the center of it all, and it needs to happen.


42 posted on 11/15/2012 2:03:22 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Toespi

That’s what we all want. Odds of it happening are not high..though I hope at LEAST there are people in power who ARE asking that.


43 posted on 11/15/2012 2:15:37 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
Man,....42 people replied to this and NO ONE added a Keyword.....

No wonder stuff can't be found.

44 posted on 11/16/2012 12:13:06 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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