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SAS sniper jailed for 18 months for 'forgetting' about pistol(UK)
metro.co.uk ^ | 11 November, 2012 | NA

Posted on 11/12/2012 11:12:46 AM PST by marktwain

Sergeant Danny Nightingale, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, was sentenced to 18 months in a military jail last week.

A working 9mm Glock handgun, given to him after he trained a counterterrorism force in 2007, was found in his home by police last year.

He said he forgot he had the weapon and failed to declare it. His wife Sally described the father of two as a 'hero who has been betrayed', while the sentence came in for more criticism after it was handed down in the days leading up to Remembrance Sunday.

Sgt Nightingale's lawyer said his client had planned to deny illegal possession of a firearm but changed his plea to guilty when warned he could face a five-year sentence if convicted.

At his court martial even prosecution lawyers described Sgt Nightingale as a serviceman of exemplary character.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; oefveterans; oifveterans; sniper; uk
The UK system is broken when they cannot find a way to keep this warrior in service.
1 posted on 11/12/2012 11:12:56 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

That’s it, keep on demonizing your willing protectors and you will find that they aren’t willing anymore.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 11:19:36 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: marktwain
Sgt Nightingale's lawyer said his client had planned to deny illegal possession of a firearm but changed his plea to guilty when warned he could face a five-year sentence if convicted.

That's the real problem here. The fact that a jury would convict a war hero speaks to a larger social problem.

Coming soon to America!

3 posted on 11/12/2012 11:20:15 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: marktwain
It is not for an American to offer unsolicited advice to the British Crown. But were anyone to ask this Ohioan for his thoughts on what should have been done: The Royal Pardon & Letter of commendation to the Sgt. would have been on its way by special courier, before the media was even able to report the above.

Britain is no longer in touch with her roots, history or ideals. But then neither is ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt or China. The death of a civilization is terribly poignant.

William Flax

4 posted on 11/12/2012 11:22:40 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: marktwain

For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot.


5 posted on 11/12/2012 11:26:12 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Totally correct!!!


6 posted on 11/12/2012 11:32:41 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: marktwain
Sickening.

This is how the British government (and sadly, our government to a similar extent) thanks those who have given so much for us.

7 posted on 11/12/2012 11:33:27 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: marktwain

Burn, Britannia, burn, on the funeral pyre of your empire. Formerly-Great Britain is now nothing but an Islamic proxy state filled with dhimmis.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 11:36:29 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: marktwain

“A working 9mm Glock handgun, given to him after he trained a counterterrorism force in 2007, was found in his home by police last year.”

Why were they in his house in the first place? Were they specifically looking for the Glock or were they there for some other reason?

Enquiring minds want to know.


9 posted on 11/12/2012 11:37:45 AM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: marktwain
There was a time when Englishmen were required to have arms and bring them out at the King's orders for inspection.

The nobles had arms and armor.

The average freeman,
The weapon could be a rake, scythe, hoe, spear, sword or longbow and arrows.

How far the English have fallen into servitude.

10 posted on 11/12/2012 11:42:56 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: marktwain

do you find this odd, crazy, ridiculous?

Lift your head and look around you.

Think about the changes coming in America, with Obama’s power unchecked.

Oh,....”The House”, you say, “He’s not “unchecked”!

Watch and see......


11 posted on 11/12/2012 11:53:27 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: marktwain

He’s a sniper. He likely has a price on his head, lives in a country that has the significant possibility of Jihadi agents wandering around in it, and has a family to protect.

I’d have ‘forgotten’ some iron, too.


12 posted on 11/12/2012 11:56:37 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: marktwain

Can the Queen or the Prime Minister issue a pardon?
If so, why hasn’t it been issued already?
This SAS serviceman is an exemplary model of what should be good for Britain.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 12:23:10 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Riley

Hmmmm. Has anyone thought about “V for Vendetta”?


14 posted on 11/12/2012 12:23:53 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: marktwain

Liberals deliberately and willfully want guns to stay in the hands of criminals, while they take them away from honest, law-abiding people.
Just so the criminals can walk in and take whatever they want. A little “redistribution of wealth.”


15 posted on 11/12/2012 12:26:47 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: marktwain

His team should liberate him if they don’t wise up. Never grab a tiger by the tail unless you have a plan to deal with its teeth.


16 posted on 11/12/2012 12:31:43 PM PST by BlueStateMadness (Two commonly violated premises: you can save people from themselves, and the free lunch myth)
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To: marktwain
Obama’s vision for the United States. Coming to a locale near you.
17 posted on 11/12/2012 12:41:36 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: BuffaloJack
Can the Queen or the Prime Minister issue a pardon?
If so, why hasn’t it been issued already?

Not easily.

There are two issues that make it complicated. The first is that this was a Court Martial, not a civilian trial. The Queen (on the advice of the Justice Secretary) can issue a Royal Pardon in the case of a civil trial, but while the Queen is Commander-in-Chief of all British Forces, the Army is under the command of Parliament (that's why it's not the Royal Army, unlike the Royal Navy, and Royal Air Force). For the Queen to issue a Royal Pardon over a Court Martial conviction there would have to be far more exceptional circumstances than normal, and the recommendation would have to come through the Defence Ministry, and the Defence Ministry is not set up with simple processes for that to happen. Regardless of this, while the Queen does have the power, it would be very unusual for it to be exercised until a case has gone through the Court of Appeal, and (possibly - I'm not sure if it has jurisdiction over courts martial) the Criminal Cases Review Commission. The 'Royal Prerogative of Mercy' is meant to be the final avenue of appeal is all else has failed.

The fact he plead guilty also complicates matters considerably. If he had gone to trial, there's a very good chance he would have escaped conviction, but he chose not to run the risk. That is his right, but it also limits his grounds for appeal.

18 posted on 11/12/2012 12:57:08 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: marktwain

Put a fork in Eurabia: it’s done.

Visit now, before the great cathedrals are all mosques.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 12:59:05 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Riley; maica
He’s a sniper. He likely has a price on his head, lives in a country that has the significant possibility of Jihadi agents wandering around in it, and has a family to protect. I’d have ‘forgotten’ some iron, too.

Excellent point. What a shame that an English "wink and a nod" can't take care of this. PC uber alles has won the day.

Tommy Robinson is in prison, while jihadists gang rape English girls and the police look away. (All true.)

20 posted on 11/12/2012 1:02:32 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: naturalman1975
. If he had gone to trial, there's a very good chance he would have escaped conviction, but he chose not to run the risk.

To me, as an American, this whole case is repugnant in the extreme. The handgun at the heart of this matter is in no significant way different from the handgun which I carry, concealed on my person, on a daily basis. It is in no significant way different from the thousands of handguns sold legally over the counter every day in this Great Republic.

That Britain and the Commonwealth Countries see fit to treat these self-defense weapons as contraband, to be gathered up and destroyed by the government, the mere possession of which is ground for years of imprisonment is appalling. Your weapons laws (like ours ... indeed like any) serve only to harass the honest peaceable citizen.

21 posted on 11/12/2012 1:07:12 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain
What is that song Savage used to play all the time, their is no England anymore...

Tangent to this, I spoke with my auto gnome about a week ago in regards to the labor shift in Europe to Spain because it is cheaper. The gnome then noted, other than "Kit Cars" and boutique manufacturers England doesn't have domestic automobile production anymore.

In fact, the gnome went so far as to say given the slide since WWII ( and all the things Hayek warned them about) their thesis is they actually never recovered from WWII.

I believe this fixation with gun control came in the 60's and I know one brilliant Brit Inventor that left because of it and it was to expensive to fly as a hobby.

Sadly, they are now trying to politically castrate this SAS mountain of a man on the altar of political correctness....

Savage is right, their is no England anymore...

22 posted on 11/12/2012 1:13:16 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: ArrogantBustard

The thing is - being SAS, he should have been able to get a PPW (Personal Protection Weapon) licence. They are very difficult to get in the UK (I actually have one for reasons I’m not allowed to discuss), but SAS have never found it difficult to get them, because of the risk they face from certain Irish terrorist groups. The fact he doesn’t seem to have had a PPW makes me wonder what else was going on here, that isn’t being discussed.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 1:13:37 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
being SAS, he should have been able to get a PPW (Personal Protection Weapon) licence.

I'm probably preaching to the choir ... but there's something very wrong with that statement. So much of the way we talk ... a license for this, qualifying for that, being eligible for the other thing ... seems to come straight out of a bad dystopian novel. "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual. Did we really win the Cold War?

And no, I'm not pointing fingers at Britain or the Commonwealth ... America is going down the same drain.

24 posted on 11/12/2012 1:29:53 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ohioan

The UK hasn’t changed, same as is been for 100 years. Example; during WWII the NRA here in the U.S. asked its members to donate rifles to the UK so that their homeland defense would be able to make a stand should the Germans invade. Did the Brits learn from this and after the war relax its guns laws? Answer is no, got stricter in fact.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 1:45:59 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

This was a court martial, not a civilian trial.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 2:02:08 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: backwoods-engineer

No, it isnt.

BTW, this was a military trial, not a civilian trial.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 2:03:22 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Travis McGee

And your country has just voted in Barry Hussein AGAIN.
Clean out your own pigsty, before you criticise others.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 2:05:06 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Travis McGee

I agree with your first point (although I’d point out that this was a military trial and sentence).

I agree with your police point.

I dont share your affection for Tommy Robinson.


29 posted on 11/12/2012 2:06:41 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: snoringbear

The first major gun law post-1945 in the UK was 1968, then 1988 and 1997.


30 posted on 11/12/2012 2:09:02 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Ok.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#Pistols_Act_1903


31 posted on 11/12/2012 2:44:05 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: Ohioan; All

Here is some history from Churchill in 1897. Note how the Crown handled the “theft of crown jewels”.
How times have changed.

Sir Bindon Blood was a striking figure in these savage mountains and among these wild rifle-armed clansmen. He looked very much more formidable in his uniform, mounted, with his standard-bearer and cavalcade, than he had done when I had seen him in safe and comfortable England. He had seen a great deal of the British and Indian armies in war and peace, and he had no illusions on any point. He was very proud to be the direct descendant of the notorious Colonel Blood, who in the reign of King Charles II had attempted to steal by armed force the Crown jewels from the Tower of London. The episode is in the history books. The Colonel was arrested as he quitted the Tower gates with important parts of the regalia in his hands. Brought to trial for high treason and several other capital offences, he was acquitted and immediately appointed to command the King’s bodyguard. This strange sequence of events gave rise to scurrilous suggestions that his attempt to abstract the Crown jewels from the Tower had the connivance of the Sovereign himself. It is certainly true that the King was very short of money in those hard times, and that the predecessors of Mr. Attenborough were already in existence in various parts of Europe. However this may be, Sir Bindon Blood regarded the attempted stealing of the Crown Jewels by his ancestor as the most glorious event in his family history, and in consequence he had warm sympathy with the Pathan tribes on the Indian frontier, all of whom would have completely understood the incident in all its bearings, and would have bestowed unstinted and discriminating applause upon all parties. If the General could have got them all together and told them the story at length by broadcast, it would never have been necessary for three brigades with endless tails of mule and camel transport to toil through the mountains and sparsely populated highlands in which my next few weeks were to be passed. The General, then already a veteran, is alive and hale to-day (written in 1930). He had one personal ordeal in this campaign. A fanatic approaching in a deputation (called a jirga) whipped out a knife, and rushed upon him from about eight yards. Sir Bindon Blood, mounted upon his horse, drew his revolver, which most of us thought on a General of Division was merely a token weapon, and shot his assailant dead at two yards. It is easy to imagine how delighted everyone in the Field Force, down to the most untouchable sweeper, was at such an event.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 8:14:59 PM PST by marktwain
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To: the scotsman; Travis McGee
Clean out your own pigsty, before you criticise others.

Got sand in your panties, Braveheart?

33 posted on 11/12/2012 9:55:51 PM PST by an amused spectator (Islamic law upholds that children born to a Muslim father are automatically Muslim)
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To: the scotsman

and so, scotty, we crazy red necked bitterly clinging american remnants still think it’s nuts; it was a “military” trial over something that wouldn’t have even been deemed wrong if there hadn’t been a “civilian” law keeping a firm lid on the average englander’s right of self defense.


34 posted on 11/12/2012 10:00:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: an amused spectator

Why should only James Bond be able to have this.

35 posted on 11/12/2012 10:12:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Riley

My grandfather had a price on his head due to his involvement with KMAG (Korean Military Advisory Group), so he acquired a surplus 1911A1 and practiced with it every day. Fifty years later, he was still a crack shot.


36 posted on 11/12/2012 10:13:46 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ( "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: the scotsman

At least in our country, free men can own firearms to protect their families.

And muslim rape gangs are not violating young American girls while the police look away and American men just take their dole check to the pub and drink beer.

You won’t even protect your girls from rape gangs of hostile invaders. That is a DEAD PEOPLE.

Next stop: EXTINCTION.

Visit England now, before the cathedrals are all mosques.


37 posted on 11/13/2012 4:32:19 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: the scotsman

At least Tommy Robinson is resisting the muslim conquest of “Great” (sic) Britain.

It’s as if the only Winston Churchill England can muster today is some average lad. The rest of you are are rushing down the road to dhimmitude, full speed ahead.

In another generation, you’ll be explaining to your daughters that it’s perfectly normal that they must wear a veil out in public, lest they be raped. And it would be their fault if they were.

If your generation was in charge in the 1930s, you would all be speaking German and goose-stepping to the pubs with your dole checks, signing the Horst Wessel Song.

We yanks might have lost this election to the socialists, but we’re not dead yet, inside, like England is.

A people that won’t defend its young girls from rape gangs of hostile invaders is a people that is dead inside, just a technical step and a generation or two from total EXTINCTION.

“Britons never never shall be slaves.”

What a joke.

See England today, before the cathedrals are all mosques.

English “men” won’t do a bloody thing to stop it.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 4:38:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: the scotsman
The first major gun law post-1945 in the UK was 1968, then 1988 and 1997.

The previous legislation had been the National Firearms Act of 1937, which modified the first serious gun control law in England, the National Firearms Act of 1920.

39 posted on 11/13/2012 6:06:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Lots of questions raised by this very brief report, and also by some of the comments, which draw very wide conclusions from very sketchy evidence.

In no particular order

What punishment, if any, would a US soldier expect for keeping a service-issue weapon at home without authorisation?

If this man's Unit was searching for a missing weapon, you would expect it to have been the Military Police which searched the house. Yet the article just says 'police', which implies the civilian police. If that's the case, on what grounds did they obtain a search warrant? Were they searching for something else, and came across the gun by accident? If so, what were they looking for? And would that imply that until that time his Unit didn't know the gun was missing? If not, why not?

Finally, doesn't it rather stretch credulity that a senior Special Forces sergeant could simply 'forget' where one of his weapons was?

40 posted on 11/13/2012 8:13:17 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Travis McGee

1—So can British men, not all firearms are banned.

2-Try coming here, then you will see that it isnt remotely as bad as you think.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 9:26:20 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Travis McGee

Tommy Robinson aka Strephen Lennon, a man who has a conviction for assaulting a police officer. A conviction for assaulting another EDL member. And who is also a convicted soccer hooligan. Yeah, we HAVE fallen from the days of Churchill if thugs like him are considered heroes.

Britain has not, is not and will not be conquered by Islam. How many times do we Brits here have to tell you that 96% of the UK is NOT Muslim. That Muslims, collectively or individually, have no power. Why dont you listen?.

You have just re-elected a part-Muslim president.
Our PM, deputy PM and leader of the opposition are of part-Jewish descent. So the only Middle Eastern religion with ‘any power’ is the one we here all like and admire: Judaism.

The only ethnic British politicians with any power are black from Christian Afro-Caribbean backgrounds and Sikh and Hindu politicians, like Keith Vaz. The only prominent current Muslim politician is a female Conservative Baroness who publicly attacks Islamic extremism and terrorism.

My generation?. I was born in 1970, and I am a former member of the British Army, pal. Oh, and thanks for the irony of mentioning the Nazis and WW2, given you are American. As it was us useless dhimmi Limeys who stood against them alone whilst you lot did *uck all until Hitler declared war on you.

America not dead?. Good to hear.
But neither is Britain.

(oh, and Britain/Great Britain/UK and ‘England’ are not the same, try actually knowing the difference before you pass comment on a country you seem unable to identify properly)

The only ‘joke’ is your ignorance of the UK. Try actually visiting here, instead of accepting what radio loudmouths tell you is happening.


42 posted on 11/13/2012 9:40:52 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
Yeah, tell me all about how British “men” are protecting their most vulnerable young girls from Muslim rape gangs, part of an invasion designed and executed by an entire generation of British Quislings.

Done while British men spent their dole checks at the local pub.

In two generations, the last dhimmi non-muslim girls will be wearing burkas, and your son will be wearing a gold cross on his jacket, and stepping into the gutter as his muslim conquerors laugh at him in passing.

Until he says, "Stuff it," and says the Shahada, and goes over to the religion of submission.

Tip your hat to your new masters, slave.

At least we are allowed to be armed in the USA.

Free men are armed men. Slaves are disarmed. Even an SAS hero is jailed for keeping a bloody glock pistol.

Slaves. Your kind will be gone in fifty years: those that did not escape the conquered British isles.

43 posted on 11/13/2012 10:57:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

You won’t even protect your girls from rape gangs of hostile invaders. That is a DEAD PEOPLE.


That is sad and pathetic.


44 posted on 11/13/2012 11:05:15 AM PST by AmericanSamurai
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To: Travis McGee; the scotsman

” Visit England now, before the cathedrals are all mosques.”

Glasgow isn’t doing any better....

My minister was born and raised there, and came here in 2008.

Glasgow Empty Churches (Full Mosques)

A recent report in the Scottish Christian Monitor has highlighted the spectacular growth of Islam in the city of Glasgow, with Christian congregations dwindling and mosques increasing and packed to overflowing. There are now 33,000 Muslims in Glasgow alone and 14 mosques to cater for them.

Empty churches, full mosques — Scottish Christian News Monitor


45 posted on 11/13/2012 11:47:53 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: Travis McGee

I have tried to have a rational, intelligent discussion with you, but you just want to rant and spout nonsense.

This conversation is over.


46 posted on 11/13/2012 12:13:53 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Muslims make up 0.9% of the Scottish population.

Also there has been no Islamic extremism and terrorism festering in Scotland, because the Scottish islamic community has been quick to come down hard on any extremism.

14 mosques sounds a lot, but many, if you check, are either actually community groups/centres or very small ‘mosques’. There is really only one or two major mosques in the city.


47 posted on 11/13/2012 12:15:56 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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