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California's Liberal Supermajority: Taxpayers are going to get all the government they ever wanted
The Wall Street Journal ^ | November 8, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 11/09/2012 8:22:14 AM PST by EveningStar

For Republicans unhappy with Tuesday's election, we have good news—at least most of you don't live in California. Not only did Democrats there win voter approval to raise the top tax rate to 13.3%, but they also received a huge surprise—a legislative supermajority. Look out below.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; democrats; supermajority
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1 posted on 11/09/2012 8:22:23 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Hint: Stay out of California.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 8:24:49 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: EveningStar

The good news is that taxpayers from every other state won’t be on the hook to bailout California. The pain shall be within her own borders.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 8:25:07 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: sanjuanbob
The good news is that taxpayers from every other state won’t be on the hook to bailout California.

We'll see.

4 posted on 11/09/2012 8:28:39 AM PST by Skulllspitter
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To: EveningStar
someone posted the other day this Jewish curse...."May all your dreams come true".....

let them have at it....infact, let Oregone and Washington have it too, who elected almost all rats....

5 posted on 11/09/2012 8:28:53 AM PST by cherry
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To: EveningStar

The California lunatics will run wild. The only problem is that Obama will graciously bail them out with our taxes. What a joke. California should be the wealthiest most productive state in the union. Instead its economy is coming to the level of Baja California.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 8:30:49 AM PST by allendale
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To: EveningStar

The Detroitification of California continues...


7 posted on 11/09/2012 8:30:52 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (The left has been at war with us...we have not been at war with them.)
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To: EveningStar

California,

You get to be the first state to follow the path of Detroit.

Here’s a taste of what’s coming:

http://www.forgottendetroit.com/blog/

Enjoy.

And please do not migrate to another state.


8 posted on 11/09/2012 8:32:11 AM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: sanjuanbob

“The good news is that taxpayers from every other state won’t be on the hook to bailout California. The pain shall be within her own borders.”

I wouldn’t count on that. The federal government has a track record of bailing out and/or funding almost anything.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 8:32:12 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Thorliveshere

Nothing on earth could induce me to move there of do business with a Cal concern.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 8:32:18 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Thorliveshere

Hint: Stay out of California.


For those already there: “You can check out, but you can never leave...”


11 posted on 11/09/2012 8:34:05 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (The left has been at war with us...we have not been at war with them.)
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To: sanjuanbob
"The good news is that taxpayers from every other state won’t be on the hook to bailout California. The pain shall be within her own borders."

I don't believe it. The Marxist Obama and his agents will find a way to pay California. They may not call it a bailout. They may call it infrastructure investment, green energy, renewal or whatever, but we will all end up paying Obama's moonies.

12 posted on 11/09/2012 8:35:35 AM PST by Truth29
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To: SMARTY

Just because they raised the tax rate doesn’t mean that tax revenues are going to catch up with the spending. So the US taxpayer is not off the hook for CA’s debts. Plus..the Rat majority in the legislature will be dreaming up ways to get more illegals and minorities of the dole..automatically costing you more.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 8:35:45 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: CriticalJ

Yeah, we may have to defend yet another border.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 8:36:35 AM PST by technically right
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To: CriticalJ

Too late for Colorado since we have gotten more liberal due to these transplants from CA and some from the East Coast.

> And please do not migrate to another state.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 8:37:40 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: sanjuanbob
The good news is that taxpayers from every other state won’t be on the hook to bailout California.

Where did you ever get this idea? Do you really think that increasing taxes will EVER satisfy the insatiable greed of government and government union employees? My guess is that the increase in tax rate will DECREASE the actual revenue as the productive citizens leave the state and find ways to protect their incomes from the rapacious thieves in Scramento. And 0bama will not hesitate to spend your money to bail out has supporters in the Peoples' Democracy of Kalifornistan when they claim their revenues fell under their projections (oddly enough I'm sure their spending will greatly exceed their projections)

16 posted on 11/09/2012 8:39:49 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: EveningStar

Now all the Californians who moved here to Idaho to “change things” can move back.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 8:41:56 AM PST by MarkeyD (Obama is a victim of Affirmative Action)
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To: EveningStar

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
“Relax, “ said the night man,
“We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave! “


18 posted on 11/09/2012 8:42:56 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: EveningStar

Build a border fence on the eastern and northern California borders and GIVE THE F***ER BACK TO MEXICO . . .

And shoot to kill anyone who voted for Obama that tries to move back to America . . .

Well, I was facetious on half of this . . . guess which half!


19 posted on 11/09/2012 8:44:04 AM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Proud2BeRight
what has to happen is that all state retiree's can only get their pensions if they live and play taxes in their home state...

no more getting the goodies and then coming to muck up my state...

California will become more and more violent.....more depraved....no amount of money can replace good people...

20 posted on 11/09/2012 8:45:07 AM PST by cherry
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To: EveningStar
Well you might as well start getting accustomed to the new spelling of California: Καλιφόρνια
21 posted on 11/09/2012 8:47:07 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: sanjuanbob

“The good news is that taxpayers from every other state won’t be on the hook to bailout California.”

Only because the rest of the country is broke. Like Thatcher said we’ve now run out of other people’s money. But we could see helicopter Ben to the rescue.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 8:48:27 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: EveningStar

Since the teachers union owns all the Dem legislators the CTA is now the defacto ruler of the state. Nothing passes without their say so.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 8:51:49 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: CriticalJ

“And please do not migrate to another state.”

Don’t have to worry about me, I’m not leaving. But your comments are interesting since there are at least a third of us who are not Liberals. Question:
Did your state go for Obama? What will you do when it goes Liberal if it has’t already? Talk about Obama and “class warfare,” you are just like him!


24 posted on 11/09/2012 8:52:22 AM PST by vette6387
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To: EveningStar

I live here, and so does my family.

I am from the East Coast originally, and understand red state mentality, which I have here.

The bottom line is that there are millions of third worlders. Plain and simple. It is over here, done. I am listing my home next week with a Realtor. People here do not and are encouraged to NOT speak English and are ENCOURAGED to go on Social Services (Section 8, food stamps, AFDC, TANF, job fairs, college grants, Obamaphones...they have billboard signs in the barrio and ghetto ASKING people to sign up - courtesy of the taxpayer).

Cloward and Piven moving at 120 MPH with no brakes. Immigration unchecked, unchecked illegal voting, unchecked union power.

Jerry Brown is an unmitigated Marxist who can now force everyone to pay for his unions to rape the Treasury.

My taxes (small biz) just went up 2% retroactively to January 2012 for the “children” - (they used an apple in the Prop. 30 ads). This is to backfill State pensions and healthcare costs.

They will not stop. It’s over. I am looking for work now out of state.


25 posted on 11/09/2012 8:54:25 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: from occupied ga

“And 0bama will not hesitate to spend your money to bail out has supporters in the Peoples’ Democracy of Kalifornistan when they claim their revenues fell under their projections”

Oh he may try, the only problem is with a State that size taxpayers don’t have that kind of money, and it’s doubtful we can borrow that kind of money through treasury sales, unless helicopter Ben steps in.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 8:55:25 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: sanjuanbob
The good news is that taxpayers from every other state won’t be on the hook to bailout California. The pain shall be within her own borders.

1)California will demand that it be rescued by the government to prevent it from turning into a zone or anarchy,or a disgrace to America, and to prevent a world-wide financial panic.
2) The United States treasury will be authorized to make a direct loan to the state so that interest payments can be resumed. This will done with money created out of thin air by the Fed.This money will be taken from the taxpayer through the loss of purchasing power.
3) There will be austerity programs for California, and a systematic repayment schedule,but none of these will be honored.
4)And California will continue to be a welfare/libtard utopia.

27 posted on 11/09/2012 8:58:14 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: EveningStar

If you live in CA, better get out while u can. I would no be surprised if
CA enacts an exit tax soon.


28 posted on 11/09/2012 9:00:13 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: vette6387

I live in Riverside County, Southern CA. We went republican this time..usually do, after losing to Obama in 2008 and Clinton in 2002.

That being said, I’m out of here. Putting house on market before end of year and going where people who think like me live. Housing will probably drop 25% over the next 3 years.

Not a native kalifornian, so those in other states need not be afraid.


29 posted on 11/09/2012 9:03:24 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: EveningStar

Me: Moving out of CA Dec 01. See ya’. It’s been a nice 40 years and I am glad I was able to live part of my life in a true paradise.

Suggestion for a new CA theme song: Rolling Stones [Because I used to love you] But It’s All Over Now.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 9:12:37 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: sanjuanbob

“Not a native kalifornian, so those in other states need not be afraid.”

I am a native-born Californian ( San Francisco) and I am proud of it!
There are lots of part of California that are very nice places to live despite the RATs. I for one, am glad that the “majority” is now absolute because we will see very quickly that they will financially crash the state and the idiots who voted for them will suffer greatly!


31 posted on 11/09/2012 9:13:30 AM PST by vette6387
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To: EveningStar

HA, Ha, Ha, all those immigrants from Mexico and China that have been rooted in California, but want their family and friends to come too, are going to take it up their collective rears so they can fund the illegal alien invasion, they elected Obama, let them get on their knees and bow down to their elite, Democratic politicians, kiss their feet aliens, your their property now! A hyphenated herd of cattle whipped by their libtard masters Ha, Ha, Ha!


32 posted on 11/09/2012 9:15:53 AM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: EveningStar
.... Well folks .... Here's a big News Flash for you all ...... As of Nov 6th 2012 ..... you are all Kalifornians now.
33 posted on 11/09/2012 9:19:01 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: vette6387

I am a native-born Californian ( San Francisco) and I am proud of it!
________________________________________________________

Glad you expanded on your post, because the first part above would raise a lot of eyebrows.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 9:19:26 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: vette6387
now absolute because we will see very quickly that they will financially crash the state and the idiots who voted for them will suffer greatly

You won't see because the media will do everything in their power to cover it up. And the idiots that voted for them are probably NOT the people who are going to get it in the shorts.

35 posted on 11/09/2012 9:25:54 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: EveningStar

If conservatives were like liberals, they would push for the most extreme and use the oppression without mercy against citizens until the beast poisoned itself.

For example, when we came up with protection of schools from gang members attending and hurting kids, leftists came up with “zero tolerance” where if a child even draws a war scene, he is kicked out of school.


36 posted on 11/09/2012 9:31:46 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: sanjuanbob
Raising taxes will not fix the spending problems California is having. They will just continue to spend more now that they think they can get more money from the "rich". They have already reached the point of diminishing returns and will likely see less revenue generated than if they hadn't raised the rates.

Anyone who has the resources and the opportunity to get out is already headed for the border. The ones who don't have to pay for it will continue to stream in to take advantage of the "free stuff". The result is more demand for more government with fewer people to pay for it.

37 posted on 11/09/2012 9:32:08 AM PST by eggman (End the Obama occupation of the White House!)
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To: CriticalJ

They’ll move on and continue the destruction like locusts. Upper middle class liberals tend to move out of areas they destroy and then continue voting liberal. There’s an endless supply of Philadelphia escapees in my relatively conservative county supporting Democrats.


38 posted on 11/09/2012 9:42:17 AM PST by BinaryBoy (I'm anti-socialism because I'm anti-slavery.)
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39 posted on 11/09/2012 9:42:57 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
California has a new toll road system. You have to purchase a special box that has on it a switch for one, two, or three persons. Without the box if you accidently make a mistake and you take the road the fine is over three hundred. If the box says two and you are alone, the Highway Patrol, will issue a ticket and the fine is reduced but you still pay a fine. There is more but how much more of this horse shit do we have to take. And who own California, bureaucrats or we the people.

We need a new proposition next voting cycle to prohibit all toll roads. And a complete takeover of the private toll road with no payoff. Who in the hell does this State belong to anyway? F government.

40 posted on 11/09/2012 9:46:19 AM PST by Logical me
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To: CriticalJ

“And please do not migrate to another state.”

So you are saying your brother, and sister conservatives from California whom have been fighting a losing battle against similar odds as the conservatives nationwide fought against this last national election aren’t welcomed in your neighborhood?

Thanks Pal. Will remember you.


41 posted on 11/09/2012 9:53:03 AM PST by rockinqsranch
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To: EveningStar

California where the fish always bite.


42 posted on 11/09/2012 9:59:26 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: sanjuanbob

If I were you, I wouldn’t take any bets on that position.


43 posted on 11/09/2012 10:00:03 AM PST by green iguana
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To: wac3rd
My taxes (small biz) just went up 2% retroactively to January 2012 for the “children” - (they used an apple in the Prop. 30 ads).

Interesting fact, such a change is prohibited to criminal law, as per the deciding of Caldur v. Bull:

I will state what laws I consider ex post facto laws, within the words and the intent of the prohibition. 1st. Every law that makes an action done before the passing of the law, and which was innocent when done, criminal; and punishes such action. 2d. Every law that aggravates a crime, makes it greater than it was, when committed. 3d. Every law that changes the punishment, and inflicts a greater punishment, than the law annexed to the crime, when committed. 4th. Every law that alters the legal rules of evidence, and receives less, or different, testimony, than the law required at the time of the commission of the offence, in order to convict the offender. All these, and similar laws, are manifestly unjust and oppressive.

So then to be changed in such an ex post facto manner, the taxes must be civil in nature and not criminal; the violation thereof then cannot be held in a criminal court, for criminal laws cannot be ex post facto, and thus you may demand a jury trial under the 7th amendment as the value in the controversy is greater than $20.

This leads us to a place where we can have jurors nullify tax-debts, no?

44 posted on 11/09/2012 10:00:10 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Oldexpat
There are some ways to starve the tax beast -- buy only what you really need, buy less expensive goods, cancel premium cable channels (which are taxed). People who live near border states should do their shopping there if possible.

And for those few remaining productive members of the state, try to get some of the government "freebies" to drain the state's money.

45 posted on 11/09/2012 10:06:25 AM PST by Schatze (It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.)
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To: EveningStar
It amazes me that the WSJ cannot see the cause & effect of the impact of immigration on this state.

While there are many culprits in this states slide into one party socialism, the most dynamic element is the immigrant vote, which the WSJ has always been keen to grow even larger.

46 posted on 11/09/2012 10:08:43 AM PST by skeeter
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To: rockinqsranch; CriticalJ
So you are saying your brother, and sister conservatives from California

Conservative turns out to be a relative term on FR. I've had discussions with fellow freepers who claim to be conservative who were all in favor of background checks for firearms purchases, semi-auto bans etc. I ran across a freeper (yesterday) who called me a

"You're a mindless bigot, a hapless drone full of loathing
For saying that one of the reason for the anointed one's re-election was: "The parasites grew fat with their 0bamaphones and the removal of any work requirement for assistance and he swelled their ranks by 17,000,000 on EBT cards alone in the last four years so that was an addition to his base."

Apparently the jackass who probably considers himself a "conservative" thinks it's ok for the government to swell the number of leeches on the dole so as to increase dependency on government. So depending on just what you consider to be the definition of a conservative I may or may not agree with criticalj and want you to stay just where you are. Particularly if you're coming from New York or MA. A conservative from these places would probably fit the definition of a moderate here in the south.

47 posted on 11/09/2012 10:09:00 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Proud2BeRight
California is the 8th largest economy in the world - the Federal government won't have the money to bail them out. It would be comparable to bailing out Italy or the UK.
48 posted on 11/09/2012 10:12:38 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: EveningStar

As fast as the rest of the US is heading for the Abyss, California has firewalled the throttle and engaged the afterburners.

Where did I put the popcorn?


49 posted on 11/09/2012 10:13:52 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: vette6387
they will financially crash the state and the idiots who voted for them will suffer

They will indeed crash the state, but idiots never suffer. Unfortunately, it's the people who have to pick up the pieces who suffer.

50 posted on 11/09/2012 10:14:02 AM PST by Schatze (It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.)
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