Posted on 11/09/2012 7:45:23 AM PST by TigerClaws
As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."
(Excerpt) Read more at petitions.whitehouse.gov ...
“If they’re up against a state seceding, I’d not be surprised to see a state capitol blown away, just to crush morale.”
Currently, they don’t have the balls to actually wage war against ACTUAL ENEMIES. They can’t even protect our southern border, and in my area of Washington the border is a sieve for drug runners.
The oak is empty. I believe secession isn’t just possible, it’s likely. The red areas have all the military bases, the crops, the commodites, the factories, and frankly, the nukes. Another important point about the red areas, they have the hunters too. The sportsmen.
The red areas are also afforded natural terrain protection in the form of the Rockies and the California desserts in the West.
If you doubt how easy it would be to wipe out a city or lay siege to it, check out NY/NJ right now. The uplands of those states aren’t having the same problems.
Wouldn’t even be a contest.
Fact is, in Canada, the idiot Quebequers tried to secede, and when it was finally possible, the didn’t do it. No more oil money from Alberta, and no more food from the other provinces.
Living like the whores on Sex in the City is easy when someone else is doing the plowing, tilling, and harvesting.
Bet on it - it’s going to happen.
We’re going to a parliament soon. This system of gov’t no longer works.
If they ever tried to nuke a state capital, that would be it. DC would be gone in a blink.
The truth is that the Federal Machine is already at war with us state citizens. So you have decided to not fight back, fine. They will come for everything you have. That is the only chance they have to survive their coming debt implosion.
I’m sorry... at what point did you come to the conclusion that I was personally unwilling to fight back?
Well said.
This "petition" is a B Wacky production. Read the fine print.
No way! We can’t give up West Texas....that’s where the Permian Basin (oil) is! Plus, there are some real mountains out in the Big Bend. We’ll need a vacation spot.
Okay. From Van Horn, west ;)
Interesting slant on things
AMERICA’S HUNTERS -—
Pretty Amazing!
The world’s largest army... America ‘s hunters!
I had never thought about
this...
A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a
handful of states and
arrived at a striking
conclusion:
There were over 600,000 hunters
this season in the state of Wisconsin ..
Allow me to restate that number:
600,000
Over the last several months,
Wisconsin’s hunters became the eighth largest army in
the world.
More men under arms than in Iran.
More than France and Germany combined.
These men deployed to
the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with
firearms, and no one was killed.
That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and
Michigan’s 700,000 hunters,
all of whom have now returned home safely.
Toss in a quarter million hunters
in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the
hunters of those four states alone
would comprise the largest army in the world.
And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states.
It’s millions more.
The point?
America will forever be safe
from foreign invasion with that
kind of home-grown firepower.
Hunting...
it’s not just a way to fill the freezer. It’s a matter of national
security.
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That’s why all enemies,
foreign and domestic,
want to see us
disarmed.
Food for thought,
when next we consider gun control.
Overall it’s true,
so if we disregard some assumptions that hunters
don’t possess the same skills as soldiers, the question
would still remain...
What army of 2 million would want to face 30, 40, 50 million armed citizens???
For the sake of our freedom,
don’t ever allow gun control
or confiscation of guns
Nonsense.
Moscow managed it for 70 years. Beijing has already done it for 65 years and is still going strong.
The only question remaining as to "how" is how many eggs are our new overlords willing to break? My guess is, a lot!
Yep, they have no one left to blame but themselves when it all falls apart, then, sit back, and watch them turn on each other, it will be a hoot!
The Amish population in the tri-state area is booming. They tend to have very large families. Although the Amish generally avoid politics and mixing with other ethnic groups, they are not averse to making money and using modern conveniences when it's to their benefit. They don't mind using your phone or taking a ride to town in your car. Look for an Amish candidate for governor or senator in Wisconsin when their numbers approach about ten million. Which by the rate they're reproducing should be in about twenty years.
My mistake. Sorry about that.
Did you notice that Oklahoma is solid red?
What your opinion on Bill Cassidy? Maginnis is reporting that he is contemplating a challenge against Mary Landrieu. Since I’m up in Ruston, I’ve not followed him very closely.
Is he in the class with Scalise, or more of a moderate?
Thank you, that was very well stated. And I totally agree with you?
I look to Texas to lead such a movement—or Alaska. With Russian support Alaska might do it. Texas only with other states—BUT only if Obama does something stupid like seize all US Guns or some UN tax plan. Its not time now.
It’s still premature. But, wait until the Soviet-style breakdown begins. The problem, as I see it, is how do you get all the states out when, initially, only a few will want to leave. If states leave, one a time, they forfeit representation and, therefore, wouldn’t be able to stop the federal from going after the ones that leave.
Well, we did this thing once before, when the states left the Articles of Confederation and formed a new, more perfect union. They held a convention, invited all the states to send delegates, drew up the agreement, and said it would get underway when 3/4th of the existing states approved it.
In this case, 3/4th seems way too high. Just keep it to a majority. And, don’t agree to a new, more perfect union. Just agree that any state that wants, can leave under the terms of the agreement to leave.
Let’s say I’m from Texas, where, hot dang, being our own independent Republic again sounds pretty attractive. No problem with agreeing to an agreement to allow states to leave. But, what if I’m from a state where leaving is not (yet) supported by the people. All I need to say, as a politician from that state is, we’re just allowing those who are no longer happy with the U.S. to leave on a peaceful basis provided they leave on terms that are fair to the rest of us.
Then, as some red states leave, others will follow. The remaining states of the U.S. will be filled with more and more moochers and looters. Possibly, each and every state will leave, leaving the U.S. to be nothing more than the District of Columbia.
Convention of the states – like the Constitutional Convention
Agree to Disagree – require only that a majority of the states agree that individual states may, during a certain timeframe, agree to withdraw from the Union, provided:
(A) The states that withdraw are either coastal states or states that share a border with a sovereign nation or a state that has withdrawn from the U.S. and, so, is not entirely within the U.S.
(A) The states pledge to respect the rights of its citizens as identified and protected by the U.S. Constitution; the international treaties accepted by the U.S., and the treaties or other agreements of the U.S. with the Indian nations within the state.
(B) Agree in principle to accepting:
(i) a share of the debt of the U.S.,
(ii) the (unfunded) Social Security, Medicare, and federal retirement benefits of the resident in the state, and
(iii) the property of the U.S. located within the state.
(C) Agree in principle to initially using the U.S. Dollar or a new currency pegged at 1:1 to the U.S. Dollar.
(D) Agree in principle to initially joining a Free Trade Agreement with the U.S., the other countries with which the U.S. has an FTA, and with all other states withdrawing from the U.S. under this agreement.
(E) Agree in principle to forever allowing free transit along the navigable waters flowing through the state to the U.S. and the states that have withdrawn from the U.S., and to initially allowing flyover by private-owned and government aircraft and free transit through the state along the roads, railroads and pipelines of the state.
(F) Agree to consider joining into a mutual defense agreement with the U.S., including specifically NATO.
Side benefits: 50 democracies join the U.N., tilting the General Assembly to the good. And every newly independent state gets to send its own team to the Olympics. Of course, Tennessee will have to figure out which of its many state anthems would be played for its gold medal winners. And, we in Virginia will have to figure out what’s going to replace Ol’ Virginie as own national anthem.
They’re asking Obama for PERMISSION?!
It makes the Feds come down to start their own offices to enable health care compulsion mechanisms on the federal dime instead of the state doing so in accordance with Federal mandates. Another words, they can’t stop Obamacare but they won’t spend state funds to help it along as well!
It will never get approved, but I’m all for leaving, and not just Louisiana.
“What a waste of money”
What. The petition site? If that is what you mean, then I disagree. Thank God our founding fathers didn’t consider the pledging of their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor a waste or we would never have had the chance to be on this thread.
Whether or not the petition is official in any capacity or not is irrelevant. We need to start having this discussion and I am glad that someone has started it.
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