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Louisiana Petitions to Leave Union
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Posted on 11/09/2012 7:45:23 AM PST by TigerClaws

As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."

(Excerpt) Read more at petitions.whitehouse.gov ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: declaration; independence; secession
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After all the FEMA money for Katrina and other hurricanes, rest of country might be glad to see us go!
1 posted on 11/09/2012 7:45:26 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

WTF?

Never happen.

Secession means war against the Federal machine. I’m all for it, but it will never happen peacefully.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 7:47:00 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: TigerClaws

Couldn’t we all just get together at kick the federal government out of America?


3 posted on 11/09/2012 7:47:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TigerClaws

Hey, wait up, Nebraska here, can we go with you?


4 posted on 11/09/2012 7:47:56 AM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: TigerClaws

This is just an online petition. Nothing official and therefore meaningless.


5 posted on 11/09/2012 7:49:07 AM PST by Heartland Mom ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: rarestia

It’s either some form of secession or certain demise.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 7:50:30 AM PST by MachIV
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To: MachIV

If they get away with it, I will be moving down there.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 7:52:13 AM PST by Venturer
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To: throwback

Indiana too!!


8 posted on 11/09/2012 7:52:16 AM PST by technically right
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To: rarestia

Secession just means more money wasted on lawyers.

People just need to be patient; the breakup will occur in its own time.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 7:52:37 AM PST by warchild9
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To: TigerClaws
I still think New Orleans would make a beautiful state park and nature reserve. And this Bossier City girl is ready to leave the United States of Ohio any time Louisiana wants to go!
10 posted on 11/09/2012 7:54:04 AM PST by Casie
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To: throwback

LOL, that’s what I was thinking.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 7:55:45 AM PST by Obadiah (Americans lusted for Obama. Give them Obama! Everything he Constitutionally asks for.)
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To: TigerClaws
Why should the majority of the Country submit to being ruled by a few people primarily in the northeast?


12 posted on 11/09/2012 7:56:20 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: TigerClaws

Realize that under our current system people in other states have more say on what goes on in your state than you and your fellow state residents. It makes no sense that the people of Massachusetts and California have a say over people in Louisiana, Texas or Indiana. Or vice versa. The notion that one city can or should rule such a vast, diverse continental expanse is nuts.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 7:57:59 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: Venturer; All

IF they get away with it, all the red states should follow.

So make them tell us ‘no’.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 7:58:57 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: TigerClaws

Would LOVE to see Virginia join in!!!


15 posted on 11/09/2012 8:00:23 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

You’d see the biggest brain drain leave Louisiana- all professors and researchers (primarily funded via some sort of federal grants) would leave - top students would then leave and study elsewhere not to return and eventually would businesses. Heck I live here in Covington LA.


16 posted on 11/09/2012 8:00:44 AM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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To: rarestia

It wouldn’t take too much to get Texas to join Louisiana. I am all for it! LOL!


17 posted on 11/09/2012 8:03:04 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Casie

“ready to leave the United States of Ohio”

Excellent, Casie. That would be an apt phrase, seeing that Ohio, with its history of political corruption, can now choose the president without the rest of the states horning in.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 8:04:53 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Dudoight

Sadly, my home state of Florida would require a bath and delousing before we’d consider it. I trust our state legislature, but it wouldn’t be long into hatching a secession plan that “Little Havana” and the south Florida Jewish Coalition would request breakaway status and Federal assistance.


19 posted on 11/09/2012 8:05:14 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: cripplecreek

>>>>Couldn’t we all just get together at kick the federal government out of America?

LIKE!


20 posted on 11/09/2012 8:05:30 AM PST by GoodDay
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To: TigerClaws

That’s just inane.


21 posted on 11/09/2012 8:06:11 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: cripplecreek
Couldn’t we all just get together at kick the federal government out of America?

The majority of "American's" just voted for more federal government involvement.
22 posted on 11/09/2012 8:12:49 AM PST by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: rarestia
Secession means war against the Federal machine. I’m all for it, but it will never happen peacefully.

But the differnce between this coming civil war against the feds and the first one, is that this time the rebels won't be marching in nice orderly lines on some field. It will look more like post occupation Iraq. With a bombing here, a shooting there, an ambush over here with 10,000 "cells" and no central leadership. The feds won't be beaten in a "fair" fight, it will be death by a thousand cuts over years if not decades. But it DOES work, look at how a few thousand arabs with pipebombs and AK's just about ran the entire modern US military out of Iraq and DID run the Entire Soviet Military out of Afghanistan.

23 posted on 11/09/2012 8:14:19 AM PST by apillar
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To: all the best

>>>>Realize that under our current system people in other states have more say on what goes on in your state than you and your fellow state residents.

That’s a result of the 17th Amendment, which implemented the popular vote for senators. It allowed special-interest groups, organized across many different states, to affect the outcome of senatorial elections within any one state.

The MSM guffawed when Rick Perry openly stated that the 17th Amendment needs to be repealed because that is its main effect (and perhaps its main purpose, too).

Senators were originally “state ambassadors”, representing their state’s governor and state’s legislature, and were the most important way in which the states, as sovereign political units, could have a voice in the central federation of these units in Washington, DC.

Repealing the 17th Amendment would be one important step toward a healthy return to the original idea of “Federalism.”


24 posted on 11/09/2012 8:17:06 AM PST by GoodDay
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To: cripplecreek

Any form of secession equals war and rivers of blood, probably nukes.

Likely to be unavoidable, though.


25 posted on 11/09/2012 8:17:24 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: all the best
Realize that under our current system people in other states have more say on what goes on in your state than you and your fellow state residents

The result of the 17th amendment. Senators used to be appointed or selected by state legislatures and they represented the state or they were gone. Now they're elected by popular vote in urban areas and they couldn't care less about anything else.

In my opinion the 17th seems like a rather "extra constitutional" amendment and could be overriden at least temporarily by political force. There are at least a dozen states with large GOP majorities and super majorities. Imagine if those states simply refused to have elections for senators and selected them like before.

It would certainly be an interesting experiment if 30 or 40 GOP senators were selected the old way and showed up demanding to be seated.
26 posted on 11/09/2012 8:17:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Casie

I hear you. I’m in Ohio and I’m ashamed of my state. Louisiana here we come!


27 posted on 11/09/2012 8:18:43 AM PST by Catsrus (WANT)
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To: Hardraade

I’m always looking for non violent options. See post 26.


28 posted on 11/09/2012 8:19:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Noticing the map and sections of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois that are connected and look almost solid blue, there's one thing they have in common: high populations of Norwegian-Americans. Oddly enough, a writer for the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel looking at the same map arrived at the same conclusion I did. He titled his colum lutefisk vs. brats, Norwegians vs. Germans. Parts of the state with high German populations tended to go Republican. Parts of the state with high Norwegian ancestry tended to vote Democrat. I have Norwegian in-laws, and they're very vocal about how much they dislike Republicans.

It's funny because for many years western Wisconsin's third district had a Republican congressman named Steve Gunderson (a very common Norwegian surname) who was eventually outed by a homo org. They still re-elected him after he was outed. But after Gunderson left congress, the district has now been solidly Democrat. Maybe there is something to all those Norwegian jokes. Or maybe the Republicans should try to run a Norwegian-American all the time.

29 posted on 11/09/2012 8:21:22 AM PST by driftless2
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To: The Sons of Liberty
What does this map represent? I think I know but would like you to verify.

Also, where did you find it?

30 posted on 11/09/2012 8:22:04 AM PST by A Cyrenian (Timothy Geithner - proving TurboTax is not idiot proof.)
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To: cripplecreek

-—— kick the federal government out of America?———

I prefer the term purge.

That is those states (including michigan) that have shown themselves to be socialist in nature, abhor the constitution of the founding fathers, have tyrannical governments and no real rule of law must be purged from the union.

That includes all states north of Missouri,Kentucky, and Virginia south and west of the Beltway counties shall be purged from the Union. Those not desiring to exist in the Blue State socialist condition can be relocated southward. The black and other socialists residing in Red State cities shall be taken to the state lines and not permitted to return.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 8:22:40 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Hardraade

(Any form of secession equals war and rivers of blood, probably nukes. Likely to be unavoidable, though.)

They won’t use Nukes, that stuff will float all over the U.S, they’re not that dumb


32 posted on 11/09/2012 8:24:54 AM PST by dayna134
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To: apillar

My first concern is our military. If we have enough of them defect to the rebellion, they can train us and help us gain access to the armament under Federal control.

If Obama was serious about arming “his people” to make a “civilian defense force,” I’m going to laugh my fat ass off when they first come up against a well-armed militia led by former spec ops and hunters.


33 posted on 11/09/2012 8:27:19 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: TexasGunLover
The majority of "American's" just voted for more federal government involvement.

Actually I suspect less than 1/8 actually voted for Bammy. After all, there were only something like 119,000,000 votes cast total.
34 posted on 11/09/2012 8:27:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dayna134

If they leave all the welfare people and freeloaders would leave.

whoops thats a good thing except for the states they would move to.


35 posted on 11/09/2012 8:28:27 AM PST by oldasrocks (They should lock all of you up and only let out us properly medicated people.)
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To: TigerClaws

Better option involves less drama and no bullets. Partial virtual secession. Each state slowly refuses to abide by certain fed laws. Alabama just approved a constitutional amendment to limit obamacare in alabama by not requiring a person, employee or business from being compelled to participate in any health care system. This supposedly blocks obamacare in alabama but not sure about that. but it’s a start. We need to find ways to virtually secede.


36 posted on 11/09/2012 8:29:26 AM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk

Excellent point. Agreed.


37 posted on 11/09/2012 8:30:52 AM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: bert
That is those states (including michigan) that have shown themselves to be socialist in nature, abhor the constitution of the founding fathers, have tyrannical governments and no real rule of law must be purged from the union.

So is that why we have a GOP supermajority in state government and crushed the pro union constitutional amendments on our ballot?


38 posted on 11/09/2012 8:31:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TigerClaws

Geaux LA!! And, include OK and TX (well, we can give the western portion to old or new Meheeco) and get ‘er done!


39 posted on 11/09/2012 8:33:57 AM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: TigerClaws

Better option involves less drama and no bullets. Partial virtual secession. Each state slowly refuses to abide by certain fed laws. Alabama just approved a constitutional amendment to limit obamacare in alabama by not requiring a person, employee or business from being compelled to participate in any health care system. This supposedly blocks obamacare in alabama but not sure about that. but it’s a start. We need to find ways to virtually secede.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 8:35:33 AM PST by plain talk
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To: dayna134

If they’re up against a state seceding, I’d not be surprised to see a state capitol blown away, just to crush morale.

One clean tac nuke is all that takes.


41 posted on 11/09/2012 8:36:31 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: TigerClaws

Do I have to move there to sign this?


42 posted on 11/09/2012 8:38:04 AM PST by Mr. K (We need a TEA PARTY MARCH ON GOP HEADQUARTERS!)
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Considering that the largest percentage populations of blacks are still in the deep south...that blue line through the South on the county map....the Federal Govt would take it on as a civil rights case to “protect” the minorities in the states. It would be portrayed as a return to the 50s, and half the population of the country would believe it.


43 posted on 11/09/2012 8:38:53 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: driftless2

I am of Wisconsin Norwegian descent. The early Norwegians were strongly Republican because they were opposed to slavery. It’s only the later generations that have become Democrat and certainly not all of them. The two Norwegian-descended politicians who became known on the national scene were Democrats however. I am referring to Humphrey and Mondale.


44 posted on 11/09/2012 8:38:59 AM PST by MarxSux
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To: apillar

should we just hire the US trained Iraqis to do the heavy lifting for us?


45 posted on 11/09/2012 8:40:23 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: TigerClaws

Not in Louisiana but I’m in. If my state does not join will move to a state that does.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 8:41:36 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: plain talk

what if we ask our state legislatures to be a clearing house for all fed taxes and then they can keep an amount sufficient to pay for all the unfunded federal mandates and send the rest on to DC?


47 posted on 11/09/2012 8:42:45 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: plain talk

Nullification was tried before, it didn’t turn out so good.


48 posted on 11/09/2012 8:43:19 AM PST by MarxSux
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To: driftless2

I married into a Norwegian family. I can affirm your empiracles, and can further state that they are impervious to logic.

By the way, this is the same country overrun by the Nazi’s (i.e., they’ve seen how socialism ends up). This means, very much like the Jews, they are impervious to learning from either history or their mistakes.

Now, I’m Irish and Portuguese, so at this point, I have to put the bag of rocks down and by some new glass for the house I live in. My family in CA is all liberal. Everyone of them have government jobs, or retired from government jobs. My Norwegian family here - same thing, except one married a US Senator and then became a lobbyist, another became a tort lawyer.

My brother in law, is the only one in the family who actually works for a private company. He’s a beer and wine salesman. Hard worker, but he’s got huge issues, many of which stem from growing up in a house full of elitist liberals. My FIL is a teacher, then a union pres, then a professor. My MIL is a school nurse.

I don’t talk a whole lot at family functions. I love my wife, and I love my kids. I met her, frankly, during a time when almost nobody identified themselves with an ideology. The advice I have for my kids is that your ass tends to follow your head, so a person’s political ideology is likely more important than how good he or she is in the sack.


49 posted on 11/09/2012 8:43:26 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (United States of America - the Empty Oak on the Hill)
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To: A Cyrenian
I don't necessarily support or advocate secession and I don't think it is realistic, but there are arguments for secession, particularly when one group rides roughshod over another.In reality a very small portion of the Country dictates to the rest of the Country. They may constitute more people, but for example, what really does a union guy in New England have in common with say a cattle rancher in Nebraska and why should he be able to demand that the rancher participate in 0bamacare? That's why the government was originally founded as sovereign states, but it has become a federal monolith run from DC, in violation of the Tenth Amendment. It doesn't work as well.
50 posted on 11/09/2012 8:43:39 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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