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Would it have made any difference if Obama had run on Romney's platform?

Posted on 11/08/2012 12:00:19 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle

I rarely post vanities, but I wanted to ask Freepers if they thought it would have made any difference to the average Obama voter if he had stated the same policy goals as Romney. My personal opinion is that for most Obama voters, and for much of the democrat base, it would make no difference. For that matter, I don't think they would have liked Romney any better even if he had run on Obama's platform.

This is an important issue, because if its all about brand name, and not about actual policy positions, then there is essentially no way to sway those voters from the left without calling yourself a democrat. It also likely means that all the pandering in the world is probably still not going to work.

Opinions?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: election; partyidentification; romney
Yes, I know. Some of you will say that Romney's positions were the same as Obama's. I personally don't believe that's the case.
1 posted on 11/08/2012 12:00:22 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Among my worries about a Romney presidency was my fear that he would actually make big government functional and efficient.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 12:02:14 PM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: wolfpat

That’s impossible. Big government cannot be functional and certainly never efficient.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 12:04:39 PM PST by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Was he still going to be black? If so, same outcome.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 12:07:07 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

No it would not have made a bit of difference, they were voting for the guy.

There are “man on the street” interviews with people being asked about whether they agree with Romney on this or that but substituted Obama’s positions. They HATED the positions (or was it just the guy they hated and his money and his skin color and his religion).

The masses are dumbasses who really don’t have a clue as to who they are voting for until October.

Maybe not everyone but at least a third of this nation with an additional sizeable block who are voting solidly Dem without knowing the candidates names, which party(ies) control the House or Senate etc.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 12:08:04 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STPostUCK ON STUPID)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Obama's platform, as well as Romney's, was largely irrelevant.

What mattered was the media's message about their platforms. The vast majority of voters had no idea what either candidate stood for, rather they were interested in the opinions expressed about them by various comedians and other media personalities.

I contend that if voters selected candidates based only on a list of issues and the candidates positions on such, the outcome would be quite different. Although I will admit, the results of many ballot referenda don't necessarily bear this out.

6 posted on 11/08/2012 12:08:13 PM PST by RetroSexual
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To: SampleMan

Yes, I agree that was a big determinant. Not much Romney could have done about that. This is one reason the left had to destroy the candidacy of Herman Cain.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 12:09:54 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Here is a video of the best person to answer that question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio


8 posted on 11/08/2012 12:10:54 PM PST by MNDude
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To: wolfpat

There was actually a video where someone was asking people if they supported this or that position, amd indicating that it was a Romney position. The replies opposed/supported a given position based on whether or not those replying thought it was a Rmney position. When they were done, the questioner told the people that just the opposite was so, that the positions they claimed to support/oppose based on ot being a Romney position was actually an Obama position. The people were NOT non-plussed. They don’t know and don’t care about issues, this is strictly tribal voting.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 12:11:05 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Romney could have offered them free NIKE’s and they would not have voted for him, but they would have rioted and trampled him if they thought they might be able to steel them from him.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 12:11:11 PM PST by formosa (consider me galt)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

The reality is that in a world constructed and maintained by central bankers, political personalities and policies are increasingly irrelevant. It is now totally about maintaining the Ponzi.

That’s why you would have seen little difference between Romney or Obama. History will show we locked into our destiny long ago.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 12:13:39 PM PST by Paraclete
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

You know, as I consider your question, I think you are right. The platforms didn’t make the difference, in fact most didn’t even know the platforms. No arguments made a bit of difference with those who just kept repeating, “I am a lifelong Democrat, I am a lifelong Democrat, I am a lifelong Democrat.”


12 posted on 11/08/2012 12:13:44 PM PST by Best and Brightest (Will the Obama-drones int eh main stream media cover the Benghazi fiasco now?)
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To: KansasGirl

“That’s impossible. Big government cannot be functional and certainly never efficient.”

I could have done a better job with the FEMA response using my laptop...in my home office...by myself. There is no excuse for a gas and WATER shortage for a week after the storm.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 12:14:49 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Obama would have won no matter what he ran on.

Just look at indicted and mentally ill Jesse Jackson Jr.’s. He didn’t debate or campaign. His race, his name and the “D” after his name on the ballot gave him a landslide win in his Rat and racist infested district. He couldn’t debate or campaign.

Obama’s base knows he will continue to provide them free stuff, will continue his Marxist march, and the rest are too stupid to understand the issues. They get their political knowledge from TV comedians and union halls.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 12:17:22 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: RetroSexual
“I contend that if voters selected candidates based only on a list of issues and the candidates positions on such, the outcome would be quite different. Although I will admit, the results of many ballot referenda don't necessarily bear this out.”

I agree with your premise, and don't think the ballot measures issue negates it. Generally there is such hype and obfuscation of those ballot measures that many people don't know exactly what the measures are for.

I would actually favor a system in which each candidate was required to submit a 25 page summary of what their positions are, and what they want to do if elected. This would be posted online, and be available in paper form at every library and other public places. This would stop the spin, and would provide a document that could be used to hold candidates feet to the fire if they're elected. Oh, I would also require the entire 25 page document be typed or written physically by the candidate, while being monitored for authenticity (no ghost writers).

15 posted on 11/08/2012 12:17:46 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: KansasGirl

well, when it costs $700 million to deliver $300 billion in welfare benefits it can certainly be made more efficient.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 12:18:01 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: KansasGirl

well, when it costs $700 Billion to deliver $300 billion in welfare benefits it can certainly be made more efficient.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 12:18:15 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Best and Brightest

I tried valiantly for two years to open the eyes of two Libs, to no avail.

I tried it by sending facts and never got a rebuttal.

I pointed out that their family, in Israel, was seriously in danger, with more to come if Hussein was re elected.

Guess who they voted for?

They got what they wanted, I hope that they want what they are about to get.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 12:22:18 PM PST by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail .But We Did.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

He did.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 12:23:22 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Some of you will say that Romney’s positions were the same as Obama’s. I personally don’t believe that’s the case.

I personally DO believe that is the case.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 12:27:25 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

This isn’t rocket science pal... one candidate’s mouth was connected directly to satan’s laptop... the other was a progressive but loves America.

LLS


21 posted on 11/08/2012 12:30:19 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (I AM JOHN GALT)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

While it may be true that Romney’s positions are different than 0bamao’s, I do not think it would have made a difference.

The pie-eyed 0bamabots and democrat cult worshippers would have voted for him no matter what.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 12:38:30 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Wait, are you saying mitt wasn’t running on obamas platform? Or that their positions were not the same in the past??


23 posted on 11/08/2012 12:46:26 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If they were interchangeable, why did Maher give the Obama campaign 1 million dollars? Why did Hollywood have so many fund raisers for him. It shouldn't have made any difference to them if their positions were identical.
24 posted on 11/08/2012 12:50:52 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If they were interchangeable, why did Maher give the Obama campaign 1 million dollars? Why did Hollywood have so many fund raisers for him. It shouldn't have made any difference to them if their positions were identical.
25 posted on 11/08/2012 12:50:52 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Democrats didn’t support zero because of his positions.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 12:57:59 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: a fool in paradise
The masses are dumbasses who really don’t have a clue as to who they are voting for until the following April.

There.

Fixed, unless I need to specify April 15th...

27 posted on 11/08/2012 1:01:10 PM PST by null and void (Day 1388 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: RetroSexual
What mattered was the media's message about their platforms.

Romney hates dogs.

Obama loves dogs. (although he thinks they're a little chewy)...

28 posted on 11/08/2012 1:03:41 PM PST by null and void (Day 1388 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
“Democrats didn’t support zero because of his positions.”

I absolutely agree. There are probably some for whom specific issues were important, but for the most part I believe we are a nation divided by resentments and self-interests. I also find it very irritating when democrats start talking about ‘social justice’. They don't have a clue what that means.

You have a social justice President whose half-brother lives in a tiny shack in Kenya while Obama ignores him.

You have a social justice President who allows a decorated US Army medical officer go to jail and lose his commission because the President refuses to provide us with a certified paper copy of his original birth certificate.

You have a social justice President who plays golf and hangs out with celebrities while black unemployment soars, and his adopted city of Chicago is awash in gang related deaths.

You have a social justice President who has his political operatives dig up dirt and destroy his political opponents, including getting sealed divorce records opened and made public.

You have a social justice President who speaks about ‘voting revenge’, and whose closest political advisor pledged revenge against those who didn't support them politically.

You have a social justice President who apparently went to bed while an American Ambassador and two Navy Seals were dying in Benghazi.

The list goes on, and its a long one.

29 posted on 11/08/2012 1:26:47 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

The subject was covered back in July. Lots of links for support.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/mitt_romney_a_liberals_liberal_republican.html


30 posted on 11/08/2012 2:05:27 PM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Yes, it would have increased Obama's margin of victory.

However, it is important to remember that this scenario is total fantasy. Obama, like most liberals, is incapable of clearly stating ANY conservative positions. He could not do it if his life depended on it.

31 posted on 11/14/2012 8:28:33 PM PST by TChad
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