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Why the low Republican turnout? (vanity)

Posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:52 AM PST by TigerClaws

This was within reach. Obama had ten million fewer votes than 2008. Despite huge rallies and intensity, Rs didn't show up.

Was it... 1. Insufficient ground game? Hundreds of millions on tv instead of laser beam ground game on our base?

2. Too moderate. Romney didn't motivate the conservatives.

3. The Mormon thing. Evangelicals stayed home.

4. The gender gap. Romney didn't close it.

Despite the MSM spin, this was a winnable election and we lost the chess match.

Thoughts?


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:54 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

For the first time in my life, I am almost about to believe massive technical voter fraud. There is just no way that this country turned out in numbers 15 million less than in 08. I figured Obama could get 60 million votes, maybe more. I thought 70 million would vote against him.

The evangelical counts will be interesting, but dang, I am about ready to add tin foil hats as an accessory....


2 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:15 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: TigerClaws

5. Crazy polls showing easy R win.

6. $1 billion in negative ads to demotivate voters.

7. MSM false narratives to demotivate the base.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:42 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws
This, the 2008 and the Clinton years were lost beginning in 1988, when the GOP capitulated to Dem demands for ever increased spending and failed to educate (and continually reeducate) the public on the benefits of low taxes, free markets and the originalist view of the Constitution.

Nothing will change until the GOP rights those wrongs and corrects history.

4 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:52 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: TigerClaws

I don’t buy it.....I believe there was sophisticated fraud....we lost 180,000 Registered DEMOCRATS in Oregon in the last 4 years....and the DEMS won here big time...something is NOT right...we are being Alinskied


5 posted on 11/07/2012 8:45:14 AM PST by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: TigerClaws

Mormon Gap? Some could not get over that perhaps? My own view is that all voters were particularly fatigued this cycle. When that happens, its up to the ground game, the GOTV efforts, in which it is clear that the Dems are decades ahead of the GOP


6 posted on 11/07/2012 8:46:40 AM PST by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: TigerClaws

Romney wasn’t inspirational, someone who doesn’t believe, only pays lip service ... is truly the wrong guy to have as your champion.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 8:46:44 AM PST by dila813
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To: TigerClaws
Thoughts?

Dumbed down Americans. Years of communists teaching in our schools, Hollywood productions, and the MSM. Too large to ever defeat.

8 posted on 11/07/2012 8:47:00 AM PST by Logical me
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To: TigerClaws

IMHO, the repulsican “establishment” gave us Romney. He is indeed a good man, but he is not what we wanted or needed for this election. (His religion is of little consequence to me...but his coefficient of “RINOness” is.)

Folks, we’ve got some serious house cleaning to do. Get rid of the RINOs.

As for me, I am no longer a Republican until we do.

And I pray that we can put off CW-II for a while...although I doubt it.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 8:47:52 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Logical me

Could it possibly be ... missing votes? Is that too crazy to consider?


10 posted on 11/07/2012 8:48:27 AM PST by Free America52 (The White guys are getting pissed off. We beat Hitler Hirohito and Krushchev. Obama will be easy.)
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To: TigerClaws

VOTER FRAUD: THOUSANDS OF VOTES FOR ROMNEY WERE DESTROYED YESTERDAY, BOTH PAPER AND ELECTRONIC!


11 posted on 11/07/2012 8:49:06 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: TigerClaws
Reports of lines wrapped around the block, precincts running out of ballots ... the only reports on FR about low turnout were for California.

Conservatives were eager to vote. Even the polls suggested Republican enthusiasm was at an all time high.

Does not make sense ... unless:

Republican early ballots were trashed.

Republican absentee ballots were trashed.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 8:49:20 AM PST by magellan
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To: TigerClaws

Let me say one other thing about women.

Women truly do have a intuition ... they have a gut sense when something isn’t right.

Romney was setting this off....So was Obama, but Obama was a known commodity.

Women aren’t going to admit this, because this is deep in their nature and they likely don’t realize this themselves, but this is a large part of the huge failure of Romney to reach women.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 8:49:38 AM PST by dila813
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To: TigerClaws

GOP forced Romney on us when 7 out of 10 primary voters wanted SOMEONE ELSE (more conservative)


14 posted on 11/07/2012 8:50:10 AM PST by Mr. K (What The World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: TigerClaws
Parties have to have strong voter acquisition programs (usually called registration programs). That's because over a period of time between elections a certain percentage of people die or become disabled, or otherwise just drop out of things ~ set that at 5% presidential election to presidential election, less for congressional elections and state elections.

Democrats reported they'd hit a wall 4 years ago into new registrants. For whatever reason they had an even weaker program this year. Republicans didn't seem to have any program at all. Whether that was the decision of the candidate and his crowd, or just indolence or stupidity on the part of party officials, I don't think we'll ever get a good answer, or one they'll admit to, but it didn't happen!

I predicted this earlier this year ~ that we'd have an historic low turnout below expected numbers, and that's what happened!

15 posted on 11/07/2012 8:50:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigerClaws

In 2008 the dems stuffed extra ballots in the box - Remember the counties with greater than 100% turnout? This time they likely destroyed ballots after they were mailed or put into the ballot box in Republican counties.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:11 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs ("Trizzle, trazzle, trozzle, trome, time for this one to come home" - Mr Wizard)
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To: TigerClaws

Romney was a horrible candidate, a crappy Democrat-lite liberal running against the Far Leftist Obama.

He got crushed because he was never a real conservative. When people don’t have a choice - well they don’t want the fraud over the real guy!

That’s why the GOP lost Senate seats with a weak presidential candidate with no real coattails.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:28 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: TigerClaws
McCain got more total votes 4 years ago than Obama did this time;~200K more.
Romney got 2.8 million fewer votes than McCain got 4 years ago.
18 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:35 AM PST by shatcher (Judges 17:6b Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.)
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To: TigerClaws

So if we can migrate enough of the minority of conservatives from states like CA, PA, MA, MD, CT, etc. to Ohio, Florida, Colorado and Wisconsin, we would never lose another election. How can we get that done? Just like the New Yorkers have done to Pennsylvania.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 8:52:10 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: Mr. K

The GOP wanted nothing to do with the Tea Party or Sarah Palin..


20 posted on 11/07/2012 8:52:23 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Lots of votes still to be counted. West coast mail ballots, general absentees, provisionals, east coast storm. No sign at all that the ultimate total will be significantly below 2008. The count usually goes up several million even after wednesday noon.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 8:52:38 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: C. Edmund Wright
"There is just no way that this country turned out in numbers 15 million less than in 08."

I believe turnout could have been lower, but the lower turnout should have come from Obama's base who were less enthused about the historic nature of the election, and perhaps otherwise disinterested voters who voted in 08 to be a part of history.

At the same time, I expected Republican turnout to be higher than 08, given higher enthusiasm for Romney than McCain.

22 posted on 11/07/2012 8:52:50 AM PST by magellan
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To: TigerClaws

RINO top of ticket with Conservative VP doesn’t work; it pisses off the Conservatives and the moderate never stands firm and appears flip-floppy and weak. But we already knew that...


23 posted on 11/07/2012 8:53:12 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: TigerClaws

A lot of us warned that a Rino would not motivate voters.

Although, you’d think the possibility of another 4 years of O would be plenty of motivation enough.

What disturbs me isn’t just that we lost, but that after 4 years of O it shouldn’t even have been close. I think I felt something similar when Clinton won reelection. I thought, the first time people didn’t realize what they were getting. The second time, they know full well what they are getting and choose it anyway.

I am suspicious of vote fraud too. The fact that the Dems are so determined to prevent voters from presenting their ID should speak volumes.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 8:53:48 AM PST by marron
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Regarding fall offs in voting, in 2010 the aggregate fall off was 45 million voters!

2016 had a Republican only fall off of 26 million.

So, yeah, people get fed up with these pukes and don't show up ~ in the TENS OF MILLIONS!

25 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:22 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigerClaws

It appears Obama lost votes among white Democrats who refused to vote because of racism, non-white voters because of the economy, and all races affected by Hurricane Sandy. Romney won the white vote at the same level as Reagan, but more non-white voters either voted for Obama because of race and partisan ideology or refused to vote for Obama because of the economy and religion while refusing to vote for Romney on the basis of race and partisan discrimination.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:44 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: dila813

Question: Which party fought for and enacted “early voting?” Democrats.
Question: Who is the first president to take advantage of early voting? Zero

Early Voting is a criminal enterprise. It is a strategic way for poll workers to meddle with and achieve whatever numbers they need to seal the deal for their precincts.

FRAUD ALERT.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:56 AM PST by Galtoid ( .)
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To: shatcher

With all the heavy turnout reports, and from the extraordinary turnout I saw in my own district yesterday, it’s hard to believe that *both* candidates got fewer votes than four years ago. Turnout in some districts must have been almost non-existent.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 8:55:00 AM PST by kevao (Hey, Obama: The 1930s called, they want their economic policy back.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Regarding fall offs in voting, in 2010 the aggregate fall off was 45 million voters!

2006 had a Republican only fall off of 26 million.

So, yeah, people get fed up with these pukes and don't show up ~ in the TENS OF MILLIONS!

29 posted on 11/07/2012 8:55:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigerClaws

Seriously?” Everyone on the planet predicted this (except the usual fools a/k/a Dick Morris). We just do not have the number of Republicans we used to have. Demographics are changing. America is moving decidedly Left. Until we stop sitting around blaming “magic” for our failures then we’ll be sitting alone and right soon.

We have GOT to stop listening to the Karl Roves and Fox News fools. We have GOT to stop listening to every single conspiracy theory that waddles down the path. (Yeah, that means birtherism). We have GOT to share our Conservative values and stop this little echo chamber we have. Let the LibTards do that.

But, hey ... yeah, I’m a closet liberal “eye roll”, but alll I know is I said from the beginning that Romney would get beaten and we’d lose seats in the Senate. I thought we’d lose more in the House but that was a pleasant surprise.

But, by all means, keep blaming magic and birth certificates. Liberals will love you for it. BTW, that Nation you see out there? It’s turning blue.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 8:55:17 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I am with you....it was fraud.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 8:56:35 AM PST by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’m with you, sent in our absentee ballots 14 days before the election. In PA if you’re in town anyway you’re supposed to go to polls & void ballot and vote there. Also my wife mismarked her ballot so we went.

Though i saw a few names in the book marked voted absentee ours weren’t marked. The head judge took our names & went to look through the ballots. When we left about an hour later he still hadn’t found them. The post office has lost 2 things in the last 20 yrs. my Mitt Romney store items & my ballots for Mitt Romney. I’m in a heavily republican area, targeting ballots from this post office would be very productive.

I think we just witnessed the most massive & sophisticated voter fraud effort in US history. Can’t wait to see the turnout numbers from Philly.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 8:57:13 AM PST by Bigjimslade
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To: C. Edmund Wright
It is my hope that in some select states where the Secretary of State is GOP and is allowed to analyze the turnout, compare the voting records, in some select counties/voting districts, and on a sample basis verify with voters the votes shown as being cast by them, focusing on the absentee/early voting records.

If I heard Karl Rove right last night, in Ohio the pre-election day early vote count put 0bama up by +10%! On election day, Romney got back 9% of that, but it wasn't enough?!

If so, this was already "baked in" before election day. Something is seriously wrong with that!

Absentee/early voting should be dramatically restricted and reformed.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 8:59:09 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: kevao

when you vote for Romney/Ryan and the machine registers it as Obama/Biden, it does wonders to create the appearance that Romney’s support was soft.

...oh, and shredding early ballots, (which many states had over 30 days worth ), is probably a good way too.

We were treated to a sybian, chicago-machine style.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 8:59:15 AM PST by BuckeyeGOP
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To: goodnesswins; TigerClaws
Totally agree...massive voter fraud.

Van loads of Somalis voting....

Dems. voting multiple times...

GOP poll watchers thrown out and unable to check that voting machines started at zero....

Absentee ballots....not reaching their destination..

Members of the military not receiving ballots in time..

This was a "third world" election.

35 posted on 11/07/2012 9:01:48 AM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Logical me

“A nation’s life is about as long as its reverential memory.”
- Whittaker Chambers -

reverence:
1. a feeling or attitude of deep respect tinged with awe; veneration.
2. the outward manifestation of this feeling: to pay reverence.
3. a gesture indicative of deep respect; an obeisance, bow, or curtsy.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 9:01:48 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: TigerClaws
Before we start throwing to many rocks, was this an honest election?
We had better hope that it wasn't, otherwise this country is gone and there's nothing we can do about it.
37 posted on 11/07/2012 9:02:30 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Logical me

Too many of our population don’t think communism is that bad. They are too young and didn’t live through the times when Russia was the USSR and threatened to bury us and started wars all over the globe...I remember having bomb drills in school like you have fire drills...(its funny now cause all we did was get under our desks.) In our schools we also had tornado drills. (elementary school)


38 posted on 11/07/2012 9:02:34 AM PST by goat granny
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To: TigerClaws
It has nothing to do with Mormonism or RINOism.

The GOP had massive turnout yesterday, everyone reports this, much longer lines than 2008 for McCain. Therefor, it is impossible for Romney to get less votes than McCain.

So what happened? 3-4 million Republican Early Votes were discarded or destroyed in swing states.

Remember all last week, the story was that Ohio Republicans in 2012 had eliminated Obama’s early vote margins from 2008. Early votes, combined with massive turnout yesterday should equal a easy GOP win. But it didn't.

I'm telling your right now, millions of Republican early votes were discarded.

How else do you explain IN and NC, both states Obama barely won in 2008. The Obama camp knew IN was a lost cause in 2012, so they ignored it, no funny business, therefor Romney wins handily. Obama camp thought they had a chance in NC in 2012, so we get lots of funny business, GOP early votes eliminated, and Romney barely squeaks by. Same thing happened across other swing states.

Massive voter fraud!!

39 posted on 11/07/2012 9:02:48 AM PST by Falcon28 (Nobama 2012!)
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To: dila813
"Romney wasn’t inspirational, someone who doesn’t believe, only pays lip service ... is truly the wrong guy to have as your champion."

boojit !!!

When given the choice of join the Army or go to jail, guess what many guys in the '60's did ?

Y'take the best shot, you don't throw yourself on the mercy of fate.

Romney didn't need to inspire .. he had answers.

40 posted on 11/07/2012 9:03:31 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I agree. The problem is that we will never win te handout war. The left will always promise more goodies and we will lose. The conservatives in Europe also saw this trend 40 years ago. They attempted to educate the electorate d share their conservative values. Now they are resigned to meaningless party status as the vrios left of center parties fight over how to redistribute the pie in an aethiestic society. As crazy as this sounds, our best bet is to fight this battle on a States rights level. Unfortunately, that didn’t work out to well for the South back in the 1860s.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 9:04:38 AM PST by Nicojones
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To: TigerClaws

The Republican presidential candidate did not carry his home state.

The Republican vice presidential candidate did not carry his home state.

So, neither the P nor VP candidate brought any delegates to the table. Their ability to win depended entirely upon their ability to craft a message with broad national appeal and to get that message out to the public despite a hostile media. Anybody else see pipe dreams here?

Bankers are not businessmen. Bankers practice the art of unobtrusive proximity to commerce, take their cut, and focus on risk management. Mitt Romney is a banker, not a businessman.

Extremely poor candidate selection by the GOP in the US Senate races. The Senate should have changed hands last night. The Dems gained.

I want names. I want the names of the problem children at the RNC who need to find themselves in the unemployment line by close of business. I need to hear Limbaugh and Levin be very specific about who caused this. And then we need to rent an abattoir.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 9:04:53 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: dila813

I guess I’m going to have to contact Sandra Fluke and ask her what kind of $9.00 birth control she uses.

I can swing by Wal-Mart on the way home.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 9:05:11 AM PST by sauropod (For Barack so loved the poor, he created millions more of them.)
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To: TigerClaws

Let’s not forget the effect of the Third-Party voters. In Ohio, the margin of victory for Obama was about 40,000 votes. Third-party votes cast numbered over 80,000. Not saying that this one episode would have changed to outcome, but it does show how voting Third-party usually ends up helping that candidate that you don’t want in office.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 9:05:23 AM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: Da Coyote; All
That's a lie you tell yourself.

Romney became a SOLID candidate running a strong, professional campaign. His skill set was tailor made for our national circumstance.

Do not be quick to dismiss anti-Mormon bigotry among evangelicals. We've seen it for years on FR. Even last night someone said Romney lost because he worshipped a false profit as if the Christian God would favor a man for reelection who champions infanticide over one who articulated for life.

Why don't you ask Republicans who did, why they stayed home. Why didn't these 2008 voters come out for Romney?

It looks like people found McCain's "you have nothing to fear" from an Obama presidency palatable despite the record of four years in misery, division, high unemployment, stunning debt.

Let's talk about how those Tea Party, evangelical-friendly candidates Akin & Mourdock did? Oops! They underperformed Romney in states he won by 300K-500K votes. That RINO Allen West lost too. Oops! Yeah, your argument is long on delusion and denial and short on personal responsibility and introspection.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 9:05:55 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: knarf

Romney only wanted to be the default candidate .. the not Obama candidate.

He would have happily taken any position required to fulfill that role as the default candidate.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 9:06:09 AM PST by dila813
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Every new report reported long line. Long lines for early voting, lon lines on election day and yet not as many turned out?

Something aint right.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 9:06:09 AM PST by Venturer
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To: TigerClaws

Given what I’ve seen pre-election, I just can’t believe that voters didn’t turn out in droves for Mitt.

I suspect a massive undercount of republican votes.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 9:06:28 AM PST by Tigerized ("..and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy." (also my 2012 strategy))
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To: TigerClaws

Is it possible that we are just outnumbered?


49 posted on 11/07/2012 9:07:12 AM PST by Pushead (The highways of history are strewn with the wreckage of the nations that forgot God.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The evangelical counts will be interesting, but dang, I am about ready to add tin foil hats as an accessory....

The last time I looked, Romney won only about 59.8% of the vote in El Paso County, Colorado. I think Romney's numbers of the vote are even lower than McCain's numbers. RR should have got something approaching 70%.

BTW, Rick Sanctum won big in El Paso county during the primary.

50 posted on 11/07/2012 9:07:15 AM PST by Red Steel
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