Skip to comments.Millions LESS people voted in 2012 than 2008?!
Posted on 11/07/2012 6:29:32 AM PST by voveo
Preliminary figures indicate fewer people participated this time. Associated Press figures showed that about 118 million people had voted in the White House race, but that number will rise as more votes are counted. In 2008, 131 million people voted, according to the Federal Election Commission.
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I'm having a hard time swallowing that (for a number of reasons).
I sense a great disturbance in the Force
As if millions of voices cried out in terror and then suddenly were silenced
In actuality, this number is not the amount of voters...it’s the amount of votes tabulated.
There is a difference.
It sure doesn’t smell right.
Yeah, I hope that we don’t get evidence of machine/results tampering, but cutting down the vote against Obama seems the way he won. A lot of people were out voting yesterday and there was a palpable feeling that Romney won. That was NOT the feeling during Obama/McCain.
We got robbed.
And the long lines were not just for one day of voting, but for early voting as well.
I don’t think it was an accident that R observers were kicked out in the battleground states - even in violation of a court order in one instance. The known election fraud of a perjurious Official Certification of Nomination for Obama (confirmed by the Hawaii state registrar) was neither the first nor the last of the crimes committed in this election...
Or, millions fewer votes were counted. Could be a lot of ballots went missing....
Ya live in a cave volvo?
Political insiders from both fraudulent parties have aided and abetted the epic invasion from Mexico for 30 years now.
Tens of millions of illegals have totally compromised and undermined your electoral process and everything else. Get yourself updated and reboot volvo.
It’d have to be systemic fraud in every precinct of every county in the country for a drop this large. That doesn’t seem easy to pull off IMO.
I am really concerned about this whole early voting process. Who is watching those votes.
“I’ll have a lot more flexibility after the election” - Obama, as whispered to Medvedev. Was Russia involved in anyway in this fraud?
Palin wasn’t on the ticket this time around.
I was listening to an election expert on overnight radio and she was talking about a couple of states have it so that you cannot even match up number of registered voters vs voters until 45 days after the election. That even the auditing process is being killed, basically.
Even the UN people were SHOCKED the US doesn’t require ID most places, and it is almost a trust based system...and they are far left....
It isn’t important who votes. What is important is who counts the votes.
Why were Republican poll watchers systematically turned away in swing states - only to be allowed back by a judge later. So what happened to the voting machines while no one was watching?
Yeah, but the votes are tallied in every precinct aren’t they? Someone would notice the discrepancy between the numbers they reported vs. what got officially tallied later.
Even if the votes were tampered with in swing states, that doesn’t explain a 16mil drop between now and ‘08.
Sure looks like it. Where did all those Republican votes from early voting and those long lines go?
I was more enthusiastic for McCain than Romney. I neither donated nor campaigned for Romney. I did both for McCain. McCain was very strong on military issues and had a consistent record on pro-life and pro-marriage issues. Romney had no foreign policy record and formed no coherent foreign policy message. His dubious record on abortion and marriage are well-known and his campaign explicitly made it clear that they would do nothing to change the status quo on abortion. Most of the issues McCain gets picked on for from the right are beltway insider issues that the general public doesn’t care about, like campaign finance reform.
Wikipedia says in 2008 the final tally of votes counted was 131.3 million, compared to 122.3 million in 2004.
Politico reported back on Wednesday, 11/5/2008 that the turnout was 130 million. So these current turnout numbers of 117 million are not likely to go up much judging by that early 2008 report being almost on the money.
This is still more than 2000, when about 100 million voted.
Could voting machines be programmed to record the opposite of the voter’s choice? I’ll bet it could if one had access and a devious programmer at his disposal. Or perhaps it could be programmed to add a vote for Obama for every 10 that Romney gets. I don’t know how they did but I do know that they committed massive and systematic vote fraud and we will pay for years to come. Pray.
Yes. It might take a day or two for the circular firing squads to back off and look at the obvious.
Even Obama knew he was defeated, utterly defeated, the night of November 5.
Again, I think for “hacked voting machines” to be a viable explanation, one would have to be able to show that this occurred on thousands of voting machines throughout the country.
It is a true crime that we have allowed our electoral process to devolve the way we have. The first thing we have to do is fix it. We need to return to one day of voting with photo ID issued only to American citizens, paper ballots, and PURPLE INK. That’s priority #1. It can and must be done, though the chances of it greatly diminished last night.
In a preliminary peek at a few states, it appears the lower number of votes affected Obama more than Romney, and the lost votes so far appear to have been in the states affected by Hurricane Sandy. I haven’t compared Ohio yet.
We know that some machines were changing votes to Obama because voters caught it. How many did not and would the machine have to show you what it was doing? It would only have to happen in some key locations...like Philly where they threw out GOP poll watchers. 70+ of them. What do you think was going on there?
How do we know all the R votes were counted?
We also know of a case in Ohio where an election judge was tossed because he/she was letting unregistered voters vote on regular, not provisional ballots. How many of those votes were counted. We will probably never know.
People were excited about Obama in 2008. Clean, articulate black man running for President. He could have carried Bill Clinton’s bags. People were fired up.
People weren’t fired up about Romney.
I’d like to know exactly where these “fewer” vote areas are. Everything I saw, read, heard pointed to massive turn out. Exactly where did we fall short this time?
And that makes no sense at all. That is something that really needs to be investigated and analyzed. The numbers I have at present are:
That great Republican enthusiasm expected for this election sure didn't pan out based on the information available so far.
B. Obama (i)
R M. Romney
D B. Obama (i)
L G. Johnson
O V. Goode
2008 New York
2012 New York
B. Obama (i)
R M. Romney
2008 New Jersey
2012 New Jersey
B. Obama (i)
R M. Romney
We had nearly a 25% increase at our local polls than we had in 2008, which set a record at the time. We now have a new record.
Can ANYONE answer those questions?
Not really. The difference in the vote in Ohio was 100,763votes out of a total of 524,3841 votes or almost 2% of the vote. The difference in the vote in Florida was only 46,039 votes out of a total of 8,212,681 votes or 0.56% of the total vote. These numbers, especially Florida, are within the range of vote fraud. The MSM is ignoring this razor thin margin susceptible to the massive kind of vote fraud we’ve seen the Democrats perpetrate.
They also understand the voters, not only know them but have created and custom fit them for their purpose. They have done this through the educational system, welfare system, media, and now healthcare. Government controlled robots. But let’s face it, if all you have to do to continue to get government handouts is show up once every four years to vote.........that’s a gravy job.
That is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard so far.
Anybody know if True The Vote is planning to compare the records they have, the official tallies, and the signatures on the voter lists?
The stuff about “stay calm” is also fishy - that democrats shouldn’t worry about the first wave of exit polling. Nobody who votes was supposed to even SEE the exit polling. If they were saying “stay calm”, it was the media they were talking to. Rush mentioned that somebody had told him that the exit pollers were told not to talk to any elderly whites. If that was true, they were manipulating what the media would see - leading the media (like Fox) to call the races before results were even in, and make it appear that there was nothing suspicious about the numbers even though the numbers did not fit the polling internals from before the election. Remember how they originally weren’t going to do any exit polling? Apparently they decided the results might look too fishy if they didn’t have exit polling to back up the trends.
Valerie Jarrett’s in-your-face confidence even when the momentum was with Romney and Benghazi was heatng up struck me immediately. She must have known that they could hide the fraud in such a way that Romney’s lawyers wouldn’t be able to do anything about it - I suspect by kicking out the R observers and tweaking the numbers in their absence, or maybe by messing with the software or mechanics on the machines. I remember reading how easily the machines can be rigged, to make the vote appear to be going to Romney but to actually tally for Obama. Without a paper trail there would be no way for Romney’s lawyers to prove anything. That could give Jarrett confidence. It could also enable a favorite analyst to get picture-perfect accuracy in predicting the election outcome, which gives them credibility for next time too...
Making sure the military ballots got destroyed in an airplane crash on the way to the soldiers and any provisional ballots that the military people filled out and sent, as instructed, got stuck in storage in Bahrain for over a month - was a way to ensure that paper ballots - which leave an auditable paper trail - wouldn’t cause problems.
2008 was a coup and so was 2012.
For which part of the 115 million votes????
PA, OH, FL, WI, and CO? I guess mainly to see how many people signed the voter list compared with how many votes were tallied.
Or maybe the first question is whether those states had lowered turnout compared to 2008. Was the lower turnout across the board, or mostly just the states hit by Sandy?
Obama 365 66,882,230 53%
McCain 173 58,343,671 46%
Obama 303 59,588,086 50%
Romney 206 56,962,272 48%
Obama 1,288,576 54%
McCain 1,073,589 45%
Obama 1,233,609 51.2%
Romney 1,122,545 46.5%
Obama 4,282,074 51%
McCain 4,045,624 48%
Obama 4,129,360 49.8%
Romney 4,083,321 49.3%
McCain 1,445,814 50%
Obama 1,441,911 49%
Romney 1,478,961 53.9%
Obama 1,215,031 44.3%
Johnson 43,029 1.6%
Goode 7,914 0.3%
2008 New York
Obama 4,804,701 63%
McCain 2,752,728 36%
2012 New York
Obama 3,844,883 62.7%
Romney 2,204,525 35.9%
2008 New Jersey
Obama 2,215,422 57%
McCain 1,613,207 42%
2012 New Jersey
Obama 1,916,190 57.9%
Romney 1,356,792 41.0%
Obama 2,672,302 50.1%
Romney 2,571,539 48.2%
Johnson 48,672 0.9%
Stein 17,657 0.3%
Duncan 12,032 0.2%
Obama 3,276,363 55%
McCain 2,655,885 44%
Obama 2,901,848 52.0%
Romney 2,610,537 46.8%
Obama 1,677,211 56%
McCain 1,262,393 43%
Obama 1,613,950 52.8%
Romney 1,409,745 46.1%
Thanks. Do you know the 2008 numbers for Ohio?
A more precise question would be:
Millions LESS votes counted in 2012 than 2008?!
Not sure how many people actually voted.
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