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Millions LESS people voted in 2012 than 2008?!
The Associated Press ^ | Nov. &, 2012 | Nancy Benac

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:29:32 AM PST by voveo

Preliminary figures indicate fewer people participated this time. Associated Press figures showed that about 118 million people had voted in the White House race, but that number will rise as more votes are counted. In 2008, 131 million people voted, according to the Federal Election Commission.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012election; election; fraud; turnout; vote; votefraud; voterfraud
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The news reports and anecdotal accounts all reported long lines and extreme waiting times to vote. There are posts in Freerepublic of people stating that they had never seen lines as long in all their years of voting. I understand that we are still counting and that the numbers will still increase, but it seems highly implausible that the number would be less. I can’t think of a time when a sitting president was reelected with less votes. The total count currently is 116,543,973 ( per Drudge ), in 2008 it was 132,618,580, a difference of 16,074,607. ( http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html ) Houston we have a problem! Has the country just been stolen?
1 posted on 11/07/2012 6:29:41 AM PST by voveo
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To: voveo
More people voted for McCain than for Romney.

I'm having a hard time swallowing that (for a number of reasons).

2 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:08 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: voveo

I sense a great disturbance in the Force

As if millions of voices cried out in terror and then suddenly were silenced


3 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:35 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: voveo

In actuality, this number is not the amount of voters...it’s the amount of votes tabulated.

There is a difference.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:47 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: voveo

It sure doesn’t smell right.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 6:33:38 AM PST by JustSurrounded
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To: voveo

Yeah, I hope that we don’t get evidence of machine/results tampering, but cutting down the vote against Obama seems the way he won. A lot of people were out voting yesterday and there was a palpable feeling that Romney won. That was NOT the feeling during Obama/McCain.

We got robbed.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 6:34:48 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: voveo

And the long lines were not just for one day of voting, but for early voting as well.

I don’t think it was an accident that R observers were kicked out in the battleground states - even in violation of a court order in one instance. The known election fraud of a perjurious Official Certification of Nomination for Obama (confirmed by the Hawaii state registrar) was neither the first nor the last of the crimes committed in this election...


7 posted on 11/07/2012 6:34:48 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: voveo

Or, millions fewer votes were counted. Could be a lot of ballots went missing....


8 posted on 11/07/2012 6:36:25 AM PST by kevao (Hey, Obama: The 1930s called, they want their economic policy back.)
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To: voveo
Has the country just been stolen?

Ya live in a cave volvo?

Political insiders from both fraudulent parties have aided and abetted the epic invasion from Mexico for 30 years now.

Tens of millions of illegals have totally compromised and undermined your electoral process and everything else. Get yourself updated and reboot volvo.

9 posted on 11/07/2012 6:36:39 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: butterdezillion

It’d have to be systemic fraud in every precinct of every county in the country for a drop this large. That doesn’t seem easy to pull off IMO.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 6:38:20 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: voveo

I am really concerned about this whole early voting process. Who is watching those votes.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:53 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: voveo

“I’ll have a lot more flexibility after the election” - Obama, as whispered to Medvedev. Was Russia involved in anyway in this fraud?


12 posted on 11/07/2012 6:40:04 AM PST by voveo
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To: ClearCase_guy

Palin wasn’t on the ticket this time around.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 6:40:20 AM PST by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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I was listening to an election expert on overnight radio and she was talking about a couple of states have it so that you cannot even match up number of registered voters vs voters until 45 days after the election. That even the auditing process is being killed, basically.

Even the UN people were SHOCKED the US doesn’t require ID most places, and it is almost a trust based system...and they are far left....


14 posted on 11/07/2012 6:40:34 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Utmost Certainty

It isn’t important who votes. What is important is who counts the votes.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 6:41:43 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Why were Republican poll watchers systematically turned away in swing states - only to be allowed back by a judge later. So what happened to the voting machines while no one was watching?


16 posted on 11/07/2012 6:42:44 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: voveo

Going Galt.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:39 AM PST by voveo
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To: BrewingFrog

Yeah, but the votes are tallied in every precinct aren’t they? Someone would notice the discrepancy between the numbers they reported vs. what got officially tallied later.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:51 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Aria

Even if the votes were tampered with in swing states, that doesn’t explain a 16mil drop between now and ‘08.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:12 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: voveo
Has the country just been stolen?

Sure looks like it. Where did all those Republican votes from early voting and those long lines go?

20 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:18 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: ClearCase_guy

I was more enthusiastic for McCain than Romney. I neither donated nor campaigned for Romney. I did both for McCain. McCain was very strong on military issues and had a consistent record on pro-life and pro-marriage issues. Romney had no foreign policy record and formed no coherent foreign policy message. His dubious record on abortion and marriage are well-known and his campaign explicitly made it clear that they would do nothing to change the status quo on abortion. Most of the issues McCain gets picked on for from the right are beltway insider issues that the general public doesn’t care about, like campaign finance reform.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:22 AM PST by JediJones (Vote NO on Proposition Zero! Tuesday, November 6th!)
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To: voveo
As of 12 AM Wednesday: 44,621,296 votes for Obama, 44,828,420 for Romney. Muncie StarPress “Never give in, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never Yield to a force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.” ― Winston Churchill As `Senator Blutarski' out it, did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! Well, just under half the country did just that ... I don't know about the rest of us who voted against Obama--but I'll spend the next four years fighting anyone I hear using the expressions "Hope and Change" and "Forward!" and any Republicans using the phrase "reach across the aisle" and "bipartisanship". The notion of being ashamed of my country was something I thought only Democrats felt, until last night. Half the country deserves what it has coming, and it deserves to get it good and hard.
22 posted on 11/07/2012 6:50:04 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Wikipedia says in 2008 the final tally of votes counted was 131.3 million, compared to 122.3 million in 2004.

Politico reported back on Wednesday, 11/5/2008 that the turnout was 130 million. So these current turnout numbers of 117 million are not likely to go up much judging by that early 2008 report being almost on the money.

This is still more than 2000, when about 100 million voted.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 6:51:18 AM PST by JediJones (Vote NO on Proposition Zero! Tuesday, November 6th!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Could voting machines be programmed to record the opposite of the voter’s choice? I’ll bet it could if one had access and a devious programmer at his disposal. Or perhaps it could be programmed to add a vote for Obama for every 10 that Romney gets. I don’t know how they did but I do know that they committed massive and systematic vote fraud and we will pay for years to come. Pray.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 7:02:34 AM PST by Josephat
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To: Josephat
they committed massive and systematic vote fraud and we will pay for years to come. Pray.

Yes. It might take a day or two for the circular firing squads to back off and look at the obvious.

Even Obama knew he was defeated, utterly defeated, the night of November 5.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 7:11:30 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Josephat

Again, I think for “hacked voting machines” to be a viable explanation, one would have to be able to show that this occurred on thousands of voting machines throughout the country.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 7:12:01 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: voveo

bookmrk


27 posted on 11/07/2012 7:12:34 AM PST by paradoxical
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To: voveo
Has the country just been stolen?

Yes.

28 posted on 11/07/2012 7:15:57 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Crimson Elephant

It is a true crime that we have allowed our electoral process to devolve the way we have. The first thing we have to do is fix it. We need to return to one day of voting with photo ID issued only to American citizens, paper ballots, and PURPLE INK. That’s priority #1. It can and must be done, though the chances of it greatly diminished last night.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 7:19:52 AM PST by Josephat
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To: butterdezillion

In a preliminary peek at a few states, it appears the lower number of votes affected Obama more than Romney, and the lost votes so far appear to have been in the states affected by Hurricane Sandy. I haven’t compared Ohio yet.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 7:20:18 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Utmost Certainty

We know that some machines were changing votes to Obama because voters caught it. How many did not and would the machine have to show you what it was doing? It would only have to happen in some key locations...like Philly where they threw out GOP poll watchers. 70+ of them. What do you think was going on there?


31 posted on 11/07/2012 7:25:48 AM PST by Josephat
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To: Utmost Certainty

How do we know all the R votes were counted?


32 posted on 11/07/2012 7:26:04 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Josephat

We also know of a case in Ohio where an election judge was tossed because he/she was letting unregistered voters vote on regular, not provisional ballots. How many of those votes were counted. We will probably never know.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 7:28:03 AM PST by Josephat
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To: voveo

People were excited about Obama in 2008. Clean, articulate black man running for President. He could have carried Bill Clinton’s bags. People were fired up.

People weren’t fired up about Romney.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 7:30:40 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: voveo

I’d like to know exactly where these “fewer” vote areas are. Everything I saw, read, heard pointed to massive turn out. Exactly where did we fall short this time?


35 posted on 11/07/2012 7:34:45 AM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
More people voted for McCain than for Romney.

And that makes no sense at all. That is something that really needs to be investigated and analyzed. The numbers I have at present are:

McCain 59,597,520

Romney 57,803,614

That great Republican enthusiasm expected for this election sure didn't pan out based on the information available so far.

36 posted on 11/07/2012 7:39:43 AM PST by Will88
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To: Jane Long

2008

Obama
365
66,882,230
53%
McCain
173
58,343,671
46%

Obama
303
59,588,086
50%
Romney
206
56,962,272
48%

2008 Florida
Obama
4,282,074
51%
McCain
4,045,624
48%

2012 Florida
B. Obama (i)
4,129,360
49.8%
R M. Romney
4,083,321
49.3%

2008 Missouri
McCain
1,445,814
50%
Obama
1,441,911
49%

2012 Missouri
M. Romney
1,478,961
53.9%
D B. Obama (i)
1,215,031
44.3%
L G. Johnson
43,029
1.6%
O V. Goode
0.3%
7,914

2008 New York
Obama
4,804,701
63%
McCain
2,752,728
36%

2012 New York
B. Obama (i)
3,844,883
62.7%
R M. Romney
2,204,525
35.9%

2008 New Jersey
Obama
2,215,422
57%
McCain
1,613,207
42%

2012 New Jersey
B. Obama (i)
1,916,190
57.9%
R M. Romney
1,356,792
41.0%


37 posted on 11/07/2012 7:51:49 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: voveo

We had nearly a 25% increase at our local polls than we had in 2008, which set a record at the time. We now have a new record.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 8:01:03 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: voveo
Two questions: there were several reported cases of Republicans being kept out of polling places early in the day. Were machines 'front-loaded' with votes for democrats? Were Republican ballots that were cast early disposed of?

Can ANYONE answer those questions?

39 posted on 11/07/2012 8:06:49 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: meadsjn
Even Obama knew he was defeated, utterly defeated, the night of November 5.

I disagree completely!!! Obama was well aware of what was going on. He and Biden were play acting so as to shift suspicion from the political malfeasance they and the MSM had orchestrated. My evidence? When Valerie Jarett was firing up her troops 3 or 4 days before the election, when the momentum was clearly going to Mitt, she spoke in no uncertain terms, "When we win the election." They knew. They all knew. The fix was in. This has been a complete takeover by folks who know exactly what they are doing.
40 posted on 11/07/2012 8:21:28 AM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Not really. The difference in the vote in Ohio was 100,763votes out of a total of 524,3841 votes or almost 2% of the vote. The difference in the vote in Florida was only 46,039 votes out of a total of 8,212,681 votes or 0.56% of the total vote. These numbers, especially Florida, are within the range of vote fraud. The MSM is ignoring this razor thin margin susceptible to the massive kind of vote fraud we’ve seen the Democrats perpetrate.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 8:26:41 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: LukeSW

They also understand the voters, not only know them but have created and custom fit them for their purpose. They have done this through the educational system, welfare system, media, and now healthcare. Government controlled robots. But let’s face it, if all you have to do to continue to get government handouts is show up once every four years to vote.........that’s a gravy job.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 8:32:02 AM PST by Toespi
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To: WhiskeyX

That is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard so far.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:12 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: WhiskeyX

Anybody know if True The Vote is planning to compare the records they have, the official tallies, and the signatures on the voter lists?


44 posted on 11/07/2012 9:49:39 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: LukeSW

The stuff about “stay calm” is also fishy - that democrats shouldn’t worry about the first wave of exit polling. Nobody who votes was supposed to even SEE the exit polling. If they were saying “stay calm”, it was the media they were talking to. Rush mentioned that somebody had told him that the exit pollers were told not to talk to any elderly whites. If that was true, they were manipulating what the media would see - leading the media (like Fox) to call the races before results were even in, and make it appear that there was nothing suspicious about the numbers even though the numbers did not fit the polling internals from before the election. Remember how they originally weren’t going to do any exit polling? Apparently they decided the results might look too fishy if they didn’t have exit polling to back up the trends.

Valerie Jarrett’s in-your-face confidence even when the momentum was with Romney and Benghazi was heatng up struck me immediately. She must have known that they could hide the fraud in such a way that Romney’s lawyers wouldn’t be able to do anything about it - I suspect by kicking out the R observers and tweaking the numbers in their absence, or maybe by messing with the software or mechanics on the machines. I remember reading how easily the machines can be rigged, to make the vote appear to be going to Romney but to actually tally for Obama. Without a paper trail there would be no way for Romney’s lawyers to prove anything. That could give Jarrett confidence. It could also enable a favorite analyst to get picture-perfect accuracy in predicting the election outcome, which gives them credibility for next time too...

Making sure the military ballots got destroyed in an airplane crash on the way to the soldiers and any provisional ballots that the military people filled out and sent, as instructed, got stuck in storage in Bahrain for over a month - was a way to ensure that paper ballots - which leave an auditable paper trail - wouldn’t cause problems.

2008 was a coup and so was 2012.


45 posted on 11/07/2012 10:13:09 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

For which part of the 115 million votes????


46 posted on 11/07/2012 10:54:39 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

PA, OH, FL, WI, and CO? I guess mainly to see how many people signed the voter list compared with how many votes were tallied.

Or maybe the first question is whether those states had lowered turnout compared to 2008. Was the lower turnout across the board, or mostly just the states hit by Sandy?


47 posted on 11/07/2012 11:17:15 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

U.S. 2008
Obama 365 66,882,230 53%
McCain 173 58,343,671 46%
U.S. 2012
Obama 303 59,588,086 50%
Romney 206 56,962,272 48%
2008 Colorado
Obama 1,288,576 54%
McCain 1,073,589 45%
2012 Colorado
Obama 1,233,609 51.2%
Romney 1,122,545 46.5%
2008 Florida
Obama 4,282,074 51%
McCain 4,045,624 48%
2012 Florida
Obama 4,129,360 49.8%
Romney 4,083,321 49.3%
2008 Missouri
McCain 1,445,814 50%
Obama 1,441,911 49%
2012 Missouri
Romney 1,478,961 53.9%
Obama 1,215,031 44.3%
Johnson 43,029 1.6%
Goode 7,914 0.3%
2008 New York
Obama 4,804,701 63%
McCain 2,752,728 36%
2012 New York
Obama 3,844,883 62.7%
Romney 2,204,525 35.9%
2008 New Jersey
Obama 2,215,422 57%
McCain 1,613,207 42%
2012 New Jersey
Obama 1,916,190 57.9%
Romney 1,356,792 41.0%
2012 Ohio
Obama 2,672,302 50.1%
Romney 2,571,539 48.2%
Johnson 48,672 0.9%
Stein 17,657 0.3%
Duncan 12,032 0.2%
2008 Pennsylvania
Obama 3,276,363 55%
McCain 2,655,885 44%
2012 Pennsylvania
Obama 2,901,848 52.0%
Romney 2,610,537 46.8%
2008 Wisconsin
Obama 1,677,211 56%
McCain 1,262,393 43%
2012 Wisconsin
Obama 1,613,950 52.8%
Romney 1,409,745 46.1%


48 posted on 11/07/2012 1:53:50 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Thanks. Do you know the 2008 numbers for Ohio?


49 posted on 11/07/2012 3:16:04 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: voveo
Millions LESS people voted in 2012 than 2008?!

A more precise question would be:

Millions LESS votes counted in 2012 than 2008?!

Not sure how many people actually voted.

-PJ

50 posted on 11/07/2012 3:19:49 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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