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2012 LIVE Official Recriminations Thread I
11/7/2012 | Sam PAine

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:28:34 AM PST by sam_paine

Post your "I Told You So" Vanities here!

DON'T Start the 50-millionth Vanity thread!

Find your allies on either side:

In this corner: "Romney RINO wasn't conservative enough to really win Purple PA and Ohio!"

In the other: "The Social Conservatives scared off too many Indiots!"

We can have the bile out here and leave the other threads to sincere discussion. Then the Admins can delete this later when we're all embarrassed of what we've said.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 4:28:40 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine

The polls were right, except for Rassmussen who got every swing state wrong. Not to be trusted anytime soon.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 4:31:53 AM PST by Skylab
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To: sam_paine

I’ll kick it off!

Resolved: “The majority of people in Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania want a Shining City on the hill, but want it paid for by someone else.”


3 posted on 11/07/2012 4:32:09 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Where are all those people who called those people that took the pre-election polling data seriously Concerned TROLLS?
4 posted on 11/07/2012 4:32:48 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Skylab

We still have John Boehner to kick around, at least!


5 posted on 11/07/2012 4:33:49 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

I don’t think it was ideology as much it was that he was a Mormon Kerry.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 4:34:03 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Skylab
The polls were right

It's ok. You can say that now.

It's the end of the "Concerned Troll" era error

7 posted on 11/07/2012 4:35:06 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: sam_paine

Not so much a recrimination, but more a question.

Where’s Dick Morris......you know, Mr. “GOP/Romney tsunami” Morris?

If this election brought one shred of good news, it’s that most likely, he’s finished. No one with even a modicum of sanity will ever take him seriously again.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:29 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: sam_paine

Americans on social programs, including seniors, thought that they would loose some or all of their benefits - the media made sure they were afraid of Paul Ryan.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:32 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: sam_paine

I was so, so, so wrong about the outcome of this election.

I have a few days of figuring out what I missed before I go tooling on the Republicans for what they missed.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:45 AM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: sam_paine

The illegals, fags, feminazis, junkies, drunks, permanent malcontents, etc. outnumber us and that’s it.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:56 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: sam_paine

It was simple: Too many stupid, dependent people who vote.

Meanwhile, look on the bright side. When the economy goes over the cliff and the Middle East goes to hell in a handbasket, Obama will have no one to blame but himself.

Oh, sorry; forgot he’ll still find a way to blame Bush. And Sarah Palin.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:56 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: sam_paine
Requiem for the Croppies

The pockets of our greatcoats full of barley...
No kitchens on the run, no striking camp...
We moved quick and sudden in our own country.
The priest lay behind ditches with the tramp.
A people hardly marching... on the hike...
We found new tactics happening each day:
We'd cut through reins and rider with the pike
And stampede cattle into infantry,
Then retreat through hedges where cavalry must be thrown.
Until... on Vinegar Hill... the final conclave.
Terraced thousands died, shaking scythes at cannon.
The hillside blushed, soaked in our broken wave.
They buried us without shroud or coffin
And in August... the barley grew up out of our grave.

Seamus Heaney

13 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:56 AM PST by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: tsowellfan; Ravi
Where are all those people who called those people that took the pre-election polling data seriously Concerned TROLLS?

We can deceive ourselves pretty easily.

We watched the Ohio early voting that showed Obama less far ahead than 2008 and took that to mean we were doing great!

14 posted on 11/07/2012 4:37:12 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Skylab

Mason-dixon got it wrong so did Suffolk


15 posted on 11/07/2012 4:37:41 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Skylab

I never want to see Dick Morris face on Fox News ever again.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 4:37:46 AM PST by SteveAustin
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To: Skylab

Frankly, right now the polls are the least of my worries.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 4:37:54 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Revolutions are not born out of success, they are born out of despair)
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To: sam_paine

Romney didn’t:

1. Go after Obama on Benghazi.

2. Didn’t go after Obama and his close ties to Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood.

3. And why are so many politicians afraid to call an opponent a liar when their opponent lies.

For now. The GOP controlled house needs to eliminate every program supported by Democrats. Lets face it, giving Democrat voters will never lead to more votes for Republicans. Defund Education, the EPA, Commerce, Homeland Security, HHS, almost the entire Transportation department; and, most importantly defund Obamacare. Defund all government subsidies for all agriculture programs. Defund food stamps and federal unemployment benefits beyond 26 weeks.

Obama claims elections have consequences, and the GOP holds the purse strngs.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 4:38:30 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: sam_paine
No recriminations here. A liberal Republican lost to a Marxist Democrat. I'll go back to what I said at a meeting of my company's senior management a few months ago: This was one of the most inconsequential elections in recent memory (despite all the talk radio nonsense indicating otherwise), since neither candidate could spell out a clear plan for dealing with this country's massive structural flaws.

By my last count, Obama got 3 million fewer votes in 2012 than George W. Bush got in 2004. In fact, Obama's 2012 vote total was nearly identical to John Kerry's losing vote total in 2004 ... even though there are substantially more registered voters today.

Obama won narrow races in several key states. My quick review of the results last night indicates that North Carolina was the only state to change from one side to the other between 2008 and 2012. Like I said, this was not a very consequential election, and I suspect an awful lot of voters knew it a long time ago.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 4:39:26 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: sam_paine; All

I don’t want to hear nonsense blaming Romney for one thing.

He was a good campaigner. I cried last night because while he may not be a right-winger, he is a good man and would have been an excellent leader.

I am depressed this morning, but we will survive.

Those who say America is done because a president won reelection by a smaller majority than the first time (the first time ever...) need to get a clue and have some Reagan optimism.

In addition, those who blame Christie are silly. Sandy hurt Romney, but not enough to lose.

Parties and trends are cyclical.

The GOP MUST find a way to get more votes from minorities and women, however.

Relying on the white vote to carry the day is no longer going to work. Our party must expand or it will eventually start losing because of that.

In this case, it largely did so....while our side turned out, so did the Dems.

Luckily the House is good. But, say goodbye to a conservative SCOTUS.

God bless you, Mr. Romney and your hard-fought campaign.

I am sorry I can’t call you my president today.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 4:39:49 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

He’ll blame Congress. That meme has already started.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:11 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Revolutions are not born out of success, they are born out of despair)
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To: NonLinear
Requiem for the Croppies

And in the long run, where did all that fighting get the Irish?

22 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:15 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Romney RINO wasn't conservative enough to really win Purple PA and Ohio!

...or with their own home states:

Massachusetts
Michigan
Wisconsin

23 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:35 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: sam_paine

Yep I’m dumbfounded


24 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:53 AM PST by Ravi
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To: sam_paine

On merits, Obama should have lost against anyone. I think Romney did as good a job in the campaign as could be hoped.

Count me in as another one who thinks the real issue is that the Takers may have reached the tipping point.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:57 AM PST by beagleone
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To: sam_paine; Ravi; SoftwareEngineer; Perdogg
Let me be the first. Ravi and SE did a helluva job with the data. We all worked with numbers we had and urged everyone to see something different in those numbers. No one did.

Personally I think Romney ran a very good campaign, and the proof is that we got killed in the Senate and didn't do well in the House either. So the collapse was across the board.

Rather than recriminations I would suggest a more serious soul searching that tells us that this is NOT a "center right country" and not even "center left" but a LEFT WING country for now. It looks a lot like England in the decade before Thatcher. Worse, we have officially lost the young (if by a smaller margin than in 08) and that means they STILL are not getting it about the debt, unemployment, and their future.

26 posted on 11/07/2012 4:41:22 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: sam_paine

Romney got the conservative vote. He didn’t get enough of the so-called independent vote. The rest of the votes, many representative of the demographic shift of the last 20 years, were beyond the reach of any Republican candidate for president deserving of the name and will remain so, especially with the naked partisanship of the MSM. Liberal Republican though he might be, he was too conservative for them. We have crossed the Rubicon, the point of no return. We can’t out-Democrat the Democrats not should we. The future is bleak but keep on fighting.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 4:42:01 AM PST by luvbach1 (Jail to the Chief!!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It was simple: Too many stupid, dependent people who vote.

Meanwhile conservatives are birth-controlling themselves into oblivion.

28 posted on 11/07/2012 4:42:19 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: ari-freedom

Exactly. He was our John Kerry. Nothing more nothing less.
No other candidate in the primaries would have even been this close.
It is what it is. This country is no longer the republic as founded.
No clue where we go from here. Perhaps we wait until the HNIC forces his nation crushing policies down our throats, then perhaps the shootiing war will FINALLY start.. But I doubt it, it would interfere with the new episodes of Honey Booboo and Too Fat to F*ck
As for me. I’ll go through the motions.
The population has changed way too much to recover, so unless the GOP does a massive overhaul they will never win a presidential election again.
This isn’t a condemnation of R/R or us. It just is what it is.
The population has changed, and the majority feels it is the govts job to take care of them in all aspects of life.

We are Europe, thus we are now everything we fought to free ourselves from less than 3 centuries ago.

Again, it is what it is.
And that’s the way it is.
So long FR.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 4:42:29 AM PST by JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain
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To: PMAS
I don't believe that's true at all. Romney won handily among seniors -- even in a place like Florida.

One of the startling numbers I saw from an exit poll last night was that Obama only won something like 56% of the voters in the 18-29 age group. These people were the core of his support in 2008. They lost interest in Obama because a lot of the 18-22 year-olds in 2008 are now college graduates with no jobs today.

What really happened here is that Obama's base of misfits and losers was supplemented by large numbers of gainfully employed middle-class people who saw no reason to change things after four years. Think auto workers in Ohio and Federal employees in Virginia, folks.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:03 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Theophilus

Well, they are blue states.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:09 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: sam_paine

Elections have consequences.

Watch for a federal sales tax ....GST...its coming, so bend over and take it like a MAN!/S

The GOP must die.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:27 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: All

All those “historic turnout”, “PA is in play”, “WI is in play”, “MN is in play”.. should get it through their thick skulls that those states are lost in the electoral reality.
it was and has always been about Ohio. It will most likely be about Ohio in the next presidential election too.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:27 AM PST by newnhdad (USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
hello out there..the whole thing was rigged...

there are polls and there are polls and there are internal polls...

the pundits saw the internal polls and were satisfied that they were looking good....

that is why Morris and Beck and others talked of a landslide for Romney...

but no one figured about Soros and his project to enroll each secretary of state into his "plan"....all I know is that IMO the whole thing was a fix, from day one....not only the voting machines, but the whole shebang.....

34 posted on 11/07/2012 4:44:00 AM PST by cherry
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To: Ravi
Yep I’m dumbfounded

But of course our petty disagreement didn't matter in the end. The only poll that matters was taken yesterday.

35 posted on 11/07/2012 4:44:00 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The GOP-e will. He was well-paid to false-flag cheerlead for them. He did his job.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 4:44:55 AM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted... it's over.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

two states with huge numbers of active and retired military went to Obama. Ohio and Florida. They already know about Benghazi. I really try to figure out how Romney going after Obama full steam about Benghazi would have gained him any votes in those states, among the groups that seemingly voted for Obama. Hispanics and women.

The country is on the dole, the have nots have won.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 4:45:18 AM PST by swpa_mom
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To: Alberta's Child

Did Romney match McCain’s numbers for seniors ?


38 posted on 11/07/2012 4:45:18 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Theophilus

Sandy might just have been the tipping point.

And Obama proved again that he can say anything and not be held accountable. Call him if you can’t get what you want from the feds. his phone should be melted. Not.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 4:46:54 AM PST by Thebaddog (Remember, Obama said he's only 60% done with his agenda.)
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To: ari-freedom
"Well, they are blue states."

Let's stop letting "blue states" choose our nominee.

40 posted on 11/07/2012 4:47:10 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain

Exactly


41 posted on 11/07/2012 4:47:23 AM PST by Ravi
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To: rwfromkansas
Romney did do well....as far as Bengazi....80% of the voters would tell you that he's an actor on some sitcom....no one cares....

the pride in America is over....

42 posted on 11/07/2012 4:47:30 AM PST by cherry
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To: LS; sam_paine; Skylab; tsowellfan; ari-freedom; AnAmericanAbroad; PMAS; HannibalHamlinJr; ...
LS: ...I would suggest a more serious soul searching that tells us that this is NOT a "center right country" and not even "center left" but a LEFT WING country for now. ... Worse, we have officially lost the young

Indeed. But let us not take this news as breaking. We've been crafting these young brownshirts in the Government Schools for 40 years.

Look at it this way. This election was not a turning point that we lost. Obama is merely a reflection of these years of decay.

If it were not for Obama, some other empty chair would've arrived.

43 posted on 11/07/2012 4:48:41 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Well, I did tell people so, repeatedly. Mitt was too liberal. This is what the GOP produuces when it runs a moderate. Oh, and lest we forget - THE MITT LIST!


44 posted on 11/07/2012 4:48:53 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: sam_paine

To win in the future will take just one thing.

We need to somehow take over the MSM.

How many people would have to pool how much $$ and brains to pull off such a thing? It’s a huge task, but it is the task at hand I’m afraid.

It is the media that is the entire problem....see my tagline.

Think about it. What would the outcome have been if an honest MSM had been dogging Obama for 4 years?


45 posted on 11/07/2012 4:50:07 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

That’s part of his plan to assist the caliphate, both over there and here, and destroy America from within. His agenda continues and will now accelerate.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 4:50:12 AM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted... it's over.)
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To: newnhdad
If it was "always about Ohio," then the GOP would have been better off blowing its collective brains out than nominating a guy whose public stance against the auto industry bailout made him such an easy target for the Democrats.

This was not a major tide-turning election at all. The GOP simply needs to figure out how to attract votes from employed taxpayers (there are still a lot of them out there, folks). Obama did well among this group in all of these swing states.

In my opinion, the road to success for any Republican candidate is to successfully pit the growing mass of working immigrants against the leeches and losers who make up a huge chunk of the Democratic base. Like him or not, this is something that George W. Bush did very well.

47 posted on 11/07/2012 4:50:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: beagleone

I AGREE with you about the takers!
They now outnumber the producers.

Hey, I jammed my finger a few weeks ago.
Wonder if I can claim disability and get a check.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 4:51:22 AM PST by a real Sheila (RYAN/romney 2012)
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To: carriage_hill

Heh.

Dick Morris is like the weather man who’s always wrong. If Dick told me that it was going to be a perfect sunny day with clear blue skies in San Diego in late July, that tells me it’s actually going to be snowing with a daytime high of 22 degrees. Yes, in late July. In San Diego.

He’s finished, or at least should be.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 4:51:33 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: PMAS
I'm not sure, but I believe he did. I'm almost 100% certain that Romney won among seniors, but I haven't seen a comparison of the Romney vs. McCain numbers for this age group.
50 posted on 11/07/2012 4:51:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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