Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home

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[Arthurio]

Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home!

As of right now, Romney has close to 56,000,000 votes nationwide. In 2008, John McCain had nearly 60,000,000 votes. (Per Wikipedia)

It looks like if all the people who voted for McCain turned out again and voted for Romney, we would have been rid of the Kenyan once and for all.

People stayed home.

It looks like all the Freepers who said they'd never vote for Mitt were not making idle threats

[sickoflibs]

RE:”Rush is saying we are outnumbered today. Didn't he spend months saying to not believe the polls showing R/R behind?
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I didn't hear the show, but I suppose a simple “Sorry, I admit I was wrong about voter turnout” would be out of character for Rush”

Rush: Ignore It Limbaugh Says, Swing State Polls Are Bogus! (video posted 9/26/2012 )

You cant win a race when you throw away your compass and run in the wrong direction telling yourself you are ahead.

I woke up to Rush reality in 2006 when he said the Republicans would do good in that election, If he says something I am suspicious.

Today a caller told him that he(Rush) is the only one holding off Democrats. WOW, no amount of reality can wake up some.

[ez]

Or a significant numbers of votes were flipped from McCain to Obama. The days of stuffing ballot boxes is over...115% voter participation is easily discovered. Now they have machines that will flip your vote from R to D 1 in 20 times.

[plain talk]

conservatives themselves split the vote and couldn’t agree between santorum and gingrich. Conservatives must unite behind a single candidate. There was no one to herd the cats and romney skated in.

this will happen again unless we get a good candidate that can unify conservatives and stop an establishment candidate from getting in. We will need candidates like marco rubio who can speak and persuade effectively acrosss multiple generations and reach these people. But even that will fail unless they are willing to take risks and expose liberalism for what it is. Romney is a RINO who had trouble with that.

[null and void]

I agree it would be sick if anti-Morman Christians let McCain get more votes than Romney. But it’s just as sick to assume that Obama is less liberal than Romney.

I assume you meant Obama instead of McCain.

That being said, those good Christians just re-empowered the party that thrice denied their God a place on the party platform.

I don't think He is pleased.

He has ways of expressing His displeasure.

[Eva]

My son says that a big part of the problem was the Mormon issue. He says that a lot of people cannot get past that. He used to work for the University of Phoenix and he has had a very up close and personal experience with Mormons and their perspective on the rest of us. He doesn’t trust them any more than he trusts a Muslim to be honest with a non-believer. His view is not from a religious perspective, but rather from a personal perspective of trust. Working for the Mormons at the University of Phoenix was a really bad experience, they made him think that they liked him, gave him all kinds of awards, paid him some good money, but when it came down to promoting him, they turned on him. There biggest criticism of him was that he smile too much. He was their top enrollment counselor, winning the top award the last three quarters that he was there, doing everything that they wanted him to do, but in the end, they said that he was making them look bad.

It wasn’t the enrollment counselors that were the problem, it was the financial people who helped students apply for government loans for courses that they never intended to take and were never repaid.

[stephenjohnbanker]

“Allen West would have made a great VP attack dog and he is a vet. He could have taken the fight to Obama and America would know that the GOP is NOT just a club of rich white guys. “

That probably would have made the difference. West would attacked Obama.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree that sequestration is going to be devastating. I also agree that anyone who signed on to that was our enemy. I thought so at the time.

I don't know if it will or not. Too Much GOP hype as usual.  Well, I disagree with that, but it's not a disagreement that reaches the level of thinking you couldn't be right, at least in part.  You open with that sentence that essentially means the same thing.  We'll have to wait and see.  Is it too much hype?  I'm not sold on that yet.

You see how much they are spending?  It certainly got O through the election with little pain.  Yes, it did.  A number of times I have had to remind myself that Congress has the purse strings.  Problem is, we didn't take the Senate.  And boy did some of our candidates work to make that happen.

Republicans in this congress made the mistake of thinking they got a mandate when they had no real power and Obama knew to focus all negative attention on the ‘Republican congress’. Clinton did it in 1995 effectively too to win re-election.  I agree with this.  I honestly do think we could accomplish a lot more, even if just swaying public opinion, if we had a better speaker.  Boehner is a disaster IMO.

Now would be a good time for the Republicans to make O own everything bad. If taxes go up and those cuts go into effect at the same time the economy will slow some. They need to start calling it the Obama congress. Go back to 2009 and 2010 when all focus was on Dems.  I'm not sure 'the Obama Congress' will work when we have the majority in the House.  Focusing on the President's failings and the Senate blocking better plans, could be powerful.  I do think we need to tie more around these entity's necks.  Strangely though, I think quite a bit was tied around the president's neck during this campaign.  Perhaps you can explain why I am wrong, but I don't see it yet.

I always thought Ryan was a real crappy choice to team with Mitt, Another DC insider white guy to go with the rich white guy. What type of thinking was that?  Well in fact Romney was the outside Washington guy.  I'm not convinced Ryan had to be an outside Washington guy too.  Romney was a good ecnomic policy advocate, and Ryan pretty much fit like a glove there.  I'm not convinced there has to be a minority on all future tickets.  If someone comes along that is great, I would back it.  I thought Ryan was great too though.  Compare the guy to Biden, which is exactly what we should be doing, and he's head and shoulders better.  I liked some of the minority players some folks were pushing.  I just didn't think they were seasoned enough.  Another four years, and I might view their inclusion more favorably.  

Allen West would have made a great VP attack dog and he is a vet. He could have taken the fight to Obama and America would know that the GOP is NOT just a club of rich white guys.  I've never bought into the idea that the Republican party is a party for rich white guys.  Conservative policies help the non-rich white guys better than the Leftist policies do.  For instance, were blacks better off yesterday than they were four years ago?  Unemployment figures reveal they weren't.  Hispanics had lost lots of jobs too.  This economy sucks for everyone, particularly for those at the bottom.

I have no doubt that Allan West is a good guy.  I'm still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.  I'm not convinced he would have pulled in more votes from the black community.  Why would they forsake a perceived black president, for a black vice-president?

Just because a guy agrees with us, it doesn't mean they are qualified to be vice-president, or in short order the president.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” That being said, those good Christians just re-empowered the party that thrice denied their God a place on the party platform. “

Bingo!

[stephenjohnbanker]

” I’m still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.”

A black can attack a black in public, and the MSM couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to pull the race card.

[Eva]

In WA State, where I live the Republicans lost across the board, even the incumbents lost. My thinking on that is that the Republicans tried to move to the left and embraced the unions, believing that if they supported the unions, the union workers would vote with the Republicans. We have a giant coal terminal that the Obama administration wants built in my county and has been working very hard to push through with the help of every Democrat politician in the state and the Republicans jumped on board the coal train with Obama. The Republicans still don’t get it that Obama is pushing the export of the sub-bituminous coal from the Powder River Basin, which is on federally leased land, owned by Indian tribes, while fighting the bituminous and anthracite coal on private land in the East.

What happened here is that the Republicans failed to offer anything different than Democrats, supporting the SEIU contracts, the teachers union, the ILWU and the RR union. Republicans don’t win elections by joining the unions against the private sector.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Obama pulled 900 Executive Orders the first time. Expect this to double. Now for my tin foil hat. I am a man of finance, and what Obama has set us up for is a complete financial collapse.

1) Don’t buy anything you don’t need on credit.

2) Stay out of the stock market.

[DoughtyOne]

I still return to the thought that folks aren’t going to vote out a black president in favor of a black vice-president.

If race trumps, then the position is king.

Maybe that’s flawed logic, but it’s all I’ve got. ;^)

[DoughtyOne]

We’ve spent the last couple of years eliminating debt.

Most of it will be gone in January.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Good move!

[sickoflibs]

RE :”” I’m still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.”
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A black can attack a black in public, and the MSM couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to pull the race card.”

Exactly. I didn't mean a better VP. I mean a better VP candidate against O to take the fight to him. Ryan said little as candidate. He offered nothing to the campaign and he sounded kind of wimpy.

I mean white males R+R with these voter demographics against Obama who tells them he cares and they don't? It was really stupid and unimaginative. Allen West could say "Look at my skin. It is real black and my great grand parents were slaves in American and I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery " . White males R+R couldn't say that.

But I don't blame Ryan for this . Romney was a terrible candidate and many here who said he was winning the past two months were just a year ago saying he couldn't beat O.

Romney wanted Ryan because he was easy to control and Ryan wouldn't say much. Ryan follows orders.

[GOPsterinMA]

Brother, you can’t fix stupid...

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

You cant win a race when you throw away your compass and run in the wrong direction telling yourself you are ahead.

The truth of that statement transcends politics. David Bronstein wrote about a 1953 chess game, "To lose one's objectivity toward a position is tantamount to losing the game."

[DoughtyOne]

I’m still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.

A black can attack a black in public, and the MSM couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to pull the race card.

Exactly. I didn't mean a better VP. I mean a better VP candidate against O to take the fight to him. Ryan said little as candidate. He offered nothing to the campaign and he sounded kind of wimpy.

I think it's reasonable to post the periferal comments the above comment was clipped from.  It wasn't my only emphasis on the subject.

I've never bought into the idea that the Republican party is a party for rich white guys.  Conservative policies help the non-rich white guys better than the Leftist policies do.  For instance, were blacks better off yesterday than they were four years ago?  Unemployment figures reveal they weren't.  Hispanics had lost lots of jobs too.  This economy sucks for everyone, particularly for those at the bottom.  I have no doubt that Allan West is a good guy.  I'm still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.  I'm not convinced he would have pulled in more votes from the black community.  Why would they forsake a perceived black president, for a black vice-president?

I'm not convinced that Allen West would have brought in a single black vote for Romney.  Blacks predisposed to vote for Romney, did so.  Blacks predisposed to like Obama weren't going to be moved off that by a black Republican vice-presidential candidate.  By a large margin, the economy was the number one issue yesterday.  The Romney/Ryan ticket addressed that better than any other ticket could have.  Romney had a history in economics.  Ryan had a history in presenting plans to get our budget back on track  In the end, the voting populace didn't buy it.  Alan West trying to sell that, seems rather comical to me.  And what other topic was he going to present, that the facts floating around the current media weren't accessable already?

Just because a guy agrees with us, it doesn't mean they are qualified to be vice-president, or in short order the president.

I mean white males R+R with these voter demographics against Obama who tells them he cares and they don't? It was really stupid and unimaginative. Allen West could say "Look at my skin. It is real black and my great grand parents were slaves in American and I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery ". White males R+R couldn't say that.

You know, you're right.  "I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery", would definitely have won the day.  I can see millions of blacks peeling awI ay on that message.  /s  No, I'm not buying that and I doubt you really do either.  Who were blacks going to believe, a "rock star" black president, or an unkown black guy that was telling them something they couldn't (by choice) hear?  Uncle Tom doesn't sell to blacks.  That's exactly what blacks would have seen.

But I don't blame Ryan for this.  Good

Romney was a terrible candidate and many here who said he was winning the past two months were just a year ago saying he couldn't beat O.

I was one of those people.  In fact I was probably still saying something to that effect as late as March/April this year, just over six months ago.  That doesn't mean that I couldn't observe his campaign, take notice of his positive message, and also the fervor of his supporters.  The guy was on fire the last few weeks of the election cycle.

Romney wanted Ryan because he was easy to control and Ryan wouldn't say much. Ryan follows orders.

I think that's a disservice to Romney and Ryan.  Romney's message was centered around a fiscal conservative core.  Ryan was a natural draw related to that policy.  Ryan was easy to control?  He woudln't say much?  He would follow orders?

I disagree with Romney on a number of issues.  This doesn't even come close to being one of them.  Once the nominee was chosen, the vice-presidential selectee isn't going to challenge him on policy issues.  To do so would be political suicide.  You work as a team to get the ticket elected.  The time to challenge Romney policy had expired.  When Ryan agreed to the ticket, that was water under the bridge.   

[DoughtyOne]

I would agree with that analogy a lot more, if you could provide specific examples of policy you thought Romney/Ryan were hawking that revealed they were running in the wrong direction.

If you look at the speeches in the waning days of the campaign, I see very little evidence of what you are describing.

Am I missing something you two saw? Could be. Explain to me what it was.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”I would agree with that analogy a lot more, if you could provide specific examples of policy you thought Romney/Ryan were hawking that revealed they were running in the wrong direction.”

The point of mine you were referencing was about how Romney campaigned as if he was winning when he was losing in critical state polls. So playing it light, dropping Benghazi, playing as if it was in the bag already was running in the wrong direction, not fighting aggressively.

The broken compass was Rush and others here saying all the polls were wrong and to ignore them. (I can probably dig up >50 posts that say this) I am sure Romney knew this was not true but he acted as if it was.

As far as policies go :I don't take POTUS campaign promises seriously esp if they require congress.