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For those of you STILL considering voting 3rd party....

Posted on 11/04/2012 10:54:52 AM PST by conservativesister

If you still need to come up with a reason NOT to vote 3rd party remember this : Obamacare Mandate: Anyone Who Works 30-Hour Week Is Now 'Full-Time' ...

Employers are going to have to adjust to this (downsize the hours for anyone employed over 30 hrs a week) or go out of business, even if they have to use temp agencies to fulfil the hours needed to complete the work.


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To: VanDeKoik
You have to realize that these guys don’t see Obama as a threat.

That's because the biggest, and least talked about, [federal] governmental threat isn't Obama... it's the Congress, more specifically a Congress which does not live up to its responsibilities nor use its powers for good.

To put it another way, the President is not the All Father of American governance.

21 posted on 11/04/2012 12:52:29 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: conservativesister

So... Waiving the boogey-man card. What does that have to do with offering up a candidate worthy of voting *for*?


22 posted on 11/04/2012 12:53:48 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
If you live in Texas, California, New York or any other state that is an absolute lock for either Romney or Obama (you know you live in one of these states if neither side is spending a cent on ads where you live) then I have no problem if you want to cast a principled vote for a third party candidate.
I disagree. The popular vote count really matters in this election.
23 posted on 11/04/2012 12:57:24 PM PST by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: roamer_1

“Waiving the boogey-man card.”
Not hardly, it is as simple as this. All my employees will get cut back to 25 hours and the work load will be handled by a temp agency. Anyone that cannot make it on 25 hours will be be replaced by temps.
It’s not that I want to use temps, but this is business.
I want to keep my employees but I won’t be able to if Obama gets re-elected. BOTTOM LINE!
So if you voted 3rd party and got Obama elected you just cost my employees a pay cut, not the boogey man just FACT!


24 posted on 11/04/2012 1:18:30 PM PST by conservativesister
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To: roamer_1

“Waiving the boogey-man card.”
Not hardly, it is as simple as this. All my employees will get cut back to 25 hours and the work load will be handled by a temp agency. Anyone that cannot make it on 25 hours will be be replaced by temps.
It’s not that I want to use temps, but this is business.
I want to keep my employees but I won’t be able to if Obama gets re-elected. BOTTOM LINE!
So if you voted 3rd party and got Obama elected you just cost my employees a pay cut, not the boogey man just FACT!


25 posted on 11/04/2012 1:19:33 PM PST by conservativesister
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To: conservativesister

So Gov. Etch-A-Sketch, the author of the Obamacare model, whose advisors helped write Obamacare, is going to repeal it? Really?


26 posted on 11/04/2012 1:25:41 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

We know for CERTAIN that 0bama will continue and “enhance” Obamacare. If Romney doesn’t, we would be no worse off. So however you vote for 0bama, either directly or through a third party, you will know for CERTAIN what you will get.


27 posted on 11/04/2012 1:30:05 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: conservativesister
I want to keep my employees but I won’t be able to if Obama gets re-elected. BOTTOM LINE! So if you voted 3rd party and got Obama elected you just cost my employees a pay cut, not the boogey man just FACT!

Unless you sub-contract an employment agency to handle your employees, which I did 10 years ago in my business.

So yeah. Boogeyman. No sale.

Voting for a liberal in order to defeat a liberal is a waste of time. You will get liberalism. Count on it.

28 posted on 11/04/2012 1:35:48 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: VanDeKoik

I see Obama as a threat. I also see Congress as a threat (the biggest threat really, because they decide if even a good president can get anything done). And Romney as a threat. I also live in AZ so my vote doesn’t matter.


29 posted on 11/04/2012 1:36:31 PM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: SubMareener

A vote for a third-party candidate is a vote for that candidate, NOT for anyone else, i.e., Obama. Period.


30 posted on 11/04/2012 1:38:55 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: WVKayaker

You obviously have no clue what time it is, nor have you been paying attention to what power has been amassed by the Executive.

But apart from that -

When I say Romney’s not going to do a damn thing to repeal ObamaCare - that INCLUDES setting a legislative agenda (which President’s do if you bothered to notice) for Congress to follow that involves repealing ObamaCare. Romney is not going to touch ObamaCare beyond possibly suggesting some minor modifications.

Given what Reid said last week, we have nary a hope or prayer to repeal this thing unless a miracle occurs and the TEA Party takes the Senate as well as the House.

Not gonna happen.

All we have left us, is refusal to comply - and to suffer the consequences for doing so.

That’s fact and reality - you can lie to yourself and pretend otherwise if you want - but I live in real-ville, not fantasyland.


31 posted on 11/04/2012 1:39:36 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TBP

When you know that the effect will be to elect 0bama, then you are voting for 0bama.


32 posted on 11/04/2012 1:47:24 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: roamer_1
So... Waiving the boogey-man card. What does that have to do with offering up a candidate worthy of voting *for*?

Very well said.

33 posted on 11/04/2012 1:49:05 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SubMareener

Not true. You’re voting for the candidate you’re supporting. You presume those votes would otherwise go Republican. Many of them wouldn’t. They would just be non-voters.


34 posted on 11/04/2012 1:56:18 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: nclaurel
Pride first Sloth?

Mitt is proud of obamneycare. I'll vote for Mitt, but only because I hate him slightly less than I hate obama.

It's not much of an endorsement, but it's all you'll get from this Conservative.

35 posted on 11/04/2012 1:57:50 PM PST by Sirius Lee (A man isn't really a man until he becomes himself.)
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To: INVAR
...but I live in real-ville, not fantasyland.

Keep telling yourself that, and maybe you will believe it! I know better.

The reality is that we have three choices (Romney, Obama, nothing!). Two of them may lead to a Zero win!

Enjoy your freedom to complain about the choices! I'm gonna vote for the future of my grandchildren and Romney, tho not my first choice (see my tagline for reference!), is the only one on the ticket that can defeat Zero! He has my vote, and my children (1/NC, 2-VA, 1-OK) will be checking that box, as well!


36 posted on 11/04/2012 2:11:21 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Mitt Romney couldn't keep up with lies and spin of Barack Obama" - Sarah Palin 10/24)
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To: Sirius Lee

Likely all any Conservative will give him unless he proves to live up to his promises.


37 posted on 11/04/2012 3:00:48 PM PST by nclaurel
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To: WVKayaker

I keep reminding myself that it is a sin as a Christian to loft a politician to savior status. Too many Americans have done so.

I know better than to empower a defacto-monarchy by the false-belief that trading ‘their’ evil king, for our ‘chosen’ king somehow saves the nation from the abyss.

Anyone who thinks voting for Romney saves the nation is committing idolatry against God first and foremost, secondly they have given themselves over to acquiescing to a defacto monarchy which is anathema to our foundations, and thirdly - I’m not stupid enough to let myself believe that the consequences of the last 2 decades are not going to be visited in full upon us because we voted for the liberal Ruling Class poster boy.

Getting rid of Obama as a solitary impetus to vote for Romney is surrendering to monarchy, and I keep reading example after example of it.

Voting for Romney is an abandonment of Conservative and Christians principles - and I refuse to betray them any longer. Been doing it for decades since Reagan - and we are in this mess in part because of that.

I vote Conservative and Christian, PERIOD. End of sentence. And not a single vote anyone casts for Romney is going to ‘fix’ or stop the consequences this nation has earned for itself. Voting 3rd Party for a solid Conservative when none is available is principle in action, even if a majority says it isn’t. But then I’m not governed by populism, I’m governed by God.

Too many have sold out what little principles they had left out of expedience and out of fear. The consequences of that - are far beyond Obama and I’m stunned to a degree at how many people have bought into the fear, and the lie and have no clue what they are contributing to.

But I guarantee you - it in no manner possible, resorts or returns us to what we once were. It warps us into something far more insidious - even moreso than the Marxism we’re supposedly trying to stop.

Romney is NO SALVATION for this country, and no savior from Obama. Idolatry is something that guarantees our destruction, and I refuse to participate in it.


38 posted on 11/04/2012 3:17:40 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: WVKayaker

I keep reminding myself that it is a sin as a Christian to loft a politician to savior status. Too many Americans have done so.

I know better than to empower a defacto-monarchy by the false-belief that trading ‘their’ evil king, for our ‘chosen’ king somehow saves the nation from the abyss.

Anyone who thinks voting for Romney saves the nation is committing idolatry against God first and foremost, secondly they have given themselves over to acquiescing to a defacto monarchy which is anathema to our foundations, and thirdly - I’m not stupid enough to let myself believe that the consequences of the last 2 decades are not going to be visited in full upon us because we voted for the liberal Ruling Class poster boy.

Getting rid of Obama as a solitary impetus to vote for Romney is surrendering to monarchy, and I keep reading example after example of it.

Voting for Romney is an abandonment of Conservative and Christians principles - and I refuse to betray them any longer. Been doing it for decades since Reagan - and we are in this mess in part because of that.

I vote Conservative and Christian, PERIOD. End of sentence. And not a single vote anyone casts for Romney is going to ‘fix’ or stop the consequences this nation has earned for itself. Voting 3rd Party for a solid Conservative when none is available is principle in action, even if a majority says it isn’t. But then I’m not governed by populism, I’m governed by God.

Too many have sold out what little principles they had left out of expedience and out of fear. The consequences of that - are far beyond Obama and I’m stunned to a degree at how many people have bought into the fear, and the lie and have no clue what they are contributing to.

But I guarantee you - it in no manner possible, resorts or returns us to what we once were. It warps us into something far more insidious - even moreso than the Marxism we’re supposedly trying to stop.

Romney is NO SALVATION for this country, and no savior from Obama. Idolatry is something that guarantees our destruction, and I refuse to participate in it.


39 posted on 11/04/2012 3:18:57 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: samtheman
The popular vote count really matters in this election.

Why?

As far as the election goes, it makes no difference whether Romney loses California by 10,000 votes or 1,000,000. All that matters is that Romney wins enough states to get him over 270 electoral votes.

Also, as far as the Democrats and the lamestream media go, it doesn't matter if Romney wins with less than 50% of the popular vote or with a landslide, they will never recognize that he has a mandate or even that he legitimately won.

Before Obama, do you know who the last Democrat President was that won more than 50% of the popular vote? Jimmy Carter in 1976 (barely making it over with 50.08% of the popular vote).

Before Carter you have to go back to LBJ in 1964. Before LBJ you have to go back to FDR (Kennedy and Truman each won with less than 50%). Before FDR you have to go all the way back to Martin Van Buren in 1836, and that was before there were any Republicans (or any states west of Missouri).

In 2004, Bush won with 51% of the popular vote, beating EVERY Democrat President EVER elected except LBJ, FDR, Martin Van Buren (1836) and Andrew Jackson (1832). How legitimate did the media consider Bush after 2004? For that matter, Reagan won almost 59% of the popular vote in 1984. How legitimate did the media consider Reagan?

Personally, I hope that Obama loses by a nationwide landslide, but every vote for any candidate other than Obama reduces Obama's percentage of the popular vote.

40 posted on 11/04/2012 3:38:48 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Are we nearing the end of the Obamanation?)
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