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Top AFRICOM Commander General Carter Ham Was Never Ordered to Save US Men in Benghazi (Video)
Gateway Pundit ^ | October 28, 2012 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 10/28/2012 11:24:37 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

1:43 interview of Rep. Jason Chaffetz on Fox News by Shannon Breem Sunday Oct 28, 2012.

AFRICOM leader General Carter Ham was never given the order to secure the consulate in Benghazi. This is what the general told Rep. Jason Chaffetz after the 9-11 Benghazi terror attack.

That means only Barack Obama or Defense Secretary Panetta, the two men above the AFRICOM commander, never ordered an operation to secure the consulate. This was despite the many pleas for assistance coming from the consulate and annex.

The Obama Administration replaced General Carter Ham with General David Rodriguez at AFRICOM on October 18.

The US had troops in Sigonella, Italy – about an hour away on 9-11.

The attack went on for at least four hours but US forces were never called in.


Graphic Source - UK Armed Forces Commentary


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: africom; behghazi; benghazi; bhoafrica; carterham; embassymurders; generalham; libya; libyancounsulate; shadowwars; threatmatrix; waronterror; wot
Oct 9, 2012 – Chaffetz said he spent Saturday [Oct 6, 2012) in Tripoli with General Carter Ham, head of the U.S. Africa Command

Oct 7, 2012 - GretaWire: Check out the email I just received from FNC’s Chad Pergram

Urgent: Fox Exclusive: Chaffetz returns from Libya after fact-find mission ahead of Wednesday hearing on 9-11 attacks

Per Pergram-Capitol Hill

I’ve just spoken with Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT, pronounced CHAY-fetz), chair of the House Oversight subcommittee looking into the 9-11 attacks in Libya. That panel holds a hearing on the subject Wednesday.

Chaffetz travelled with Gen. Carter Ham, the head of Africom (The US Command over Africa) in Tripoli. Had hoped to go to Benghazi but it is too dangerous.

Chaffetz says it was clear those on the ground there were asking for more support to secure the building in Beghaniz It was denied. They asked for more personnel. They asked for more personnel and were denied.

Chaffetz:

“Rather than letting security dictate security, they let politics dictate security.”

Chaffetz also tells an interesting story about the US Embassy in Tripoli.

He says the south end of the complex backs up to a private home and a yard. They had put a ladder up against this wall. The person who lived there would put up a ladder and dump his garbage in on the property of the embassy. He says there was no barbed wire.

He says the US let them dump garbage there just because they wanted to be a good neighbor.

Chaffetz says the idea that protests were spurred by the video is dubious at best.

Chad Pergram

FOX News

Senior Producer for Capitol Hill

1 posted on 10/28/2012 11:24:47 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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[background and information]

October 19, 2012: Gen. David M. Rodriguez nominated to lead U.S. Africa Command

2 posted on 10/28/2012 11:26:50 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Of COURSE O ordered them to stand down. That’s why he couldn’t look the parent of a dead hero in the eyes. O is just a disgusting liar that is incapable of taking responsibilities for his action. ANYONE that votes for him is a complete fool.


3 posted on 10/28/2012 11:27:04 PM PDT by Bulgaricus1 (Fill your hand you son...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How many miles away is sigonella airbase? An hour away, by what? Boat, plane, helicopter...

Were their carriers off Libya that were even closer?


4 posted on 10/28/2012 11:31:50 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Allegedly, there are standing orders that exist for the case no commanding officer is available. If I’m not mistaken, it’s been indicated that Obama had standing orders in place.

Ref: Recent Rush Limbaugh Show with lengthy insider interview.


5 posted on 10/28/2012 11:32:14 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This blog speculates that Stevens was part of a covert effort to get former Libyan weapons into the hands of Syrian “rebels”. But, that Iran or Russia didn’t want that to happen, and so formed an “nation state” attack on the facility.

We didn’t send a rescue because we were afraid of a full scale war with Iran. I think that is what he is saying.

Either that or we feared that the forces were planning to ambush the rescue forces and create a Black Hawk Down repeat. So we did nothing instead to cover up the covert arms smuggling operation and prevent an embarrassing episode for Obama right before the election.

Not sure if this is credible.

The hidden real truth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2951729/posts


6 posted on 10/28/2012 11:33:50 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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“.....The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi’s fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces.......”

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/50224


7 posted on 10/28/2012 11:37:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bump


8 posted on 10/28/2012 11:42:06 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Gene Eric
Transcript of Issa hearing

The Security Failures of Benghazi

October 10, 2012 Wednesday

Hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Subject: “The Security Failures of Benghazi” Chaired by: Representative Darrell Issa (R-CA) Witnesses: Charlene Lamb, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs, Bureau of Diplomatic Security; Eric Nordstrom, Regional Security Officer, State Department; Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Wood, Utah National Guard, U.S. Army Location: 2154 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, D.C. Time: 12:00 p.m. EDT Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012.

REPRESENTATIVE DARRELL ISSA (R-CA): The committee will come to order. Would you please take your seats?...........................

9 posted on 10/28/2012 11:43:26 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: garjog

Putin and Iran want Zero to be reelected. They would never
try such a risky stunt before the election. They know he’d be more ‘flexible’
after the election (he’d bend over and compromise with them on
Syria, nukes and missile defense).


10 posted on 10/28/2012 11:45:53 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Professional; Bulgaricus1; All
Obama's September 11 Phone Call ".........................While Americans were under assault in Benghazi, the president found time for a non-urgent, politically useful, hour-long call to Prime Minister Netanyahu. And his senior national staff had to find time to arrange the call, brief the president for the call, monitor it, and provide an immediate read-out to the media. I suspect Prime Minister Netanyahu, of all people, would have understood the need to postpone or shorten the phone call if he were told that Americans were under attack as the president chatted. But for President Obama, a politically useful telephone call—and the ability to have his aides rush out and tell the media about that phone call—came first.

So here are a few more questions for the White House: While President Obama was on the phone for an hour, did his national security advisor Tom Donilon or any other aide interrupt the call or slip him a piece of paper to inform him about what was happening in Benghazi? Or was President Obama out of the loop for at least an hour as events unfolded and decisions were made? On the other hand, national security staff were obviously with the president during and immediately after the phone call—otherwise how could they have put out their statement right away? Surely his aides told the president about what was happening in Benghazi. Was there then no discussion of what was or what wasn't being done to help, pursuant to the president's first directive that everything possible be done?"

11 posted on 10/28/2012 11:58:56 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Professional

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/retired-lt-col-my-sources-say-obama-was-in-the-room-watching-benghazi-attack-happen/

“.....Col. David Hunt, a Fox News military analyst, said the military could have had jets in the air within 20 minutes and forces on the ground within two hours...”


12 posted on 10/29/2012 12:05:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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“........................By Sept. 16, the national intelligence director changed his assessment. Mr. Clapper abandoned the “spontaneous” explanation and told the White House that the attack was a planned terrorist operation, a U.S. intelligence official told The Times.

No longer in Libya at the time of the attack, Mr. Nordstrom and Col. Wood later tried to assess the bureaucratic battle they fought to retain more security assets in Benghazi.

“We were fighting a losing battle,” Col. Wood said. “We couldn’t even keep what we had. We were not even allowed to keep what we had.”

Mr. Nordstrom recalled a phone call with a regional director asking for 12 additional agents.

“His response to that was, ‘You’re asking for the sun, moon and the stars,’” the security officer said. “And my response to him, ‘You know what makes [this] the most frustrating about this assignment? It’s not the hardships. It’s not the gunfire. It’s not the threats. It’s dealing and fighting against the people, programs and personnel who are supposed to be supporting me.’

“And I ended it by saying, ‘For me, the Taliban is on the inside of the building,” Mr. Nordstrom said.”

Read more: Lack of strike force impeded Benghazi response - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/28/lack-of-strike-force-impeded-benghazi-response/#ixzz2AfeYPd9j


13 posted on 10/29/2012 12:32:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: rfp1234

This is what happens when a country is poorly managed regarding its finances as well as politics, it becomes weak, also in the in the eyes of its opponents and allows them to step in and dictate their terms. Probably some one who had the ability and was willing to back up its threat told us “Don’t go there unless there will be hell to pay” So like an obedient dog with its tail between his legs we turned a one-eighty and let these bastards kill our ambassador.

O. may not be the brightest but I believe he is not down right stupid either and probably after he and Panetta just about chewed off their fingernails concluded that this threat was no bluff and decided to let them have our ambassador. On the other hand, had O. given it a GO his re-election would have been almost guarantied. So for a narcissist like him, something or some one left a lasting impression and made a believer out of him and a fool of our once great nation. These are the results of unbridled socialism coming home to roost and unless some drastic changes are implemented this was just a taste of what is to come.
Well this is just my take


14 posted on 10/29/2012 12:47:34 AM PDT by saintgermaine
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Video of Bret Baier Special On Libya: "Death And Deceit In Benghazi"
15 posted on 10/29/2012 1:19:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Libyan witnesses recount organized Benghazi attack "....There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound....."
16 posted on 10/29/2012 1:53:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The current crop of amateurs in charge of our nation are the 50-year product of our bereft culture....too many cartoons, too much Ritalin, a stunted education, emasculated males and a lack of morals....the result: a generation of incompetents who can’t manage their way out of a wet paper bag.


17 posted on 10/29/2012 2:05:20 AM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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.....(Cont’d)........and meanwhile, our Congressmen and Senators are sitting around on their duffs wondering which applicant for page-boy they’ll support, or writing letters of congratulation to centenarians, or where they’re going for lunch. Get out your crayons, you lunch pails, and color me “Angry Purple”!


18 posted on 10/29/2012 2:18:53 AM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The indecisive excuse for not responding immediately to the Benghazi raid is propaganda. Government has contingency plans for everything. All they had to do was execute the procedure correctly. Leon Peonetta’s excuse of “not being able to access the threat” is painfully wrong.


19 posted on 10/29/2012 2:35:37 AM PDT by Broker (November... VICTORY or DEATH!!)
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To: Broker
Bing West, a former assistant secretary of defense: Benghazi: Obama Emerges from the Fog of War [Where is president's order to "secure our personnel?"]
20 posted on 10/29/2012 2:44:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This contradicts Obama’s answer at the presidential debate where he said it was the first of three things he did. He also said this to the Denver reporter.

President and Panetta had a previously scheduled meeting for 5 pm on 9/11/12. That was during the middle of the attack. Obama was likely advised earlier but we know at the very least these two men were together in the White House at this time.


21 posted on 10/29/2012 4:07:53 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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Who gave the stand down order to the two ex-SEALs?

Woods’ (one of the two killed) father said on Megyn’s show that his son helped save THIRTY PEOPLE.

The implication of that has not been reported. Stand down order in effect he ignored. Because he and his friend in arms (the two ex-SEALs) took action regardless, thirty lives were saved.

This means that not only did Obama abandon Ambassador Stevens and the one security man American to death, he was willing to let thirty people die at the consulate compound!

Of course, no American should be left behind, especially an ambassador who is the President’s representative hand picked and appointed by him.

But 30 people?

And no effort made.

These were ex-SEALs. They would have given a site assessment / threat assessment as part of their communication. 150 armed local militants.

Delta Force was TWO HOURS away. They were training in southern Europe at the time.

Obama decided a failed rescue would be Carter/Iran 2 possibly. Be fatal to his election. There was the Cairo and other youtube protest context and they blamed it on the filmaker guy when they knew this was no youtube protest.

Horrible!


22 posted on 10/29/2012 4:13:39 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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Who gave the stand down order to the two ex-SEALs?

Woods’ (one of the two killed) father said on Megyn’s show that his son helped save THIRTY PEOPLE.

The implication of that has not been reported. Stand down order in effect he ignored. Because he and his friend in arms (the two ex-SEALs) took action regardless, thirty lives were saved.

This means that not only did Obama abandon Ambassador Stevens and the one security man American to death, he was willing to let thirty people die at the consulate compound!

Of course, no American should be left behind, especially an ambassador who is the President’s representative hand picked and appointed by him.

But 30 people?

And no effort made.

These were ex-SEALs. They would have given a site assessment / threat assessment as part of their communication. 150 armed local militants.

Delta Force was TWO HOURS away. They were training in southern Europe at the time.

Obama decided a failed rescue would be Carter/Iran 2 possibly. Be fatal to his election. There was the Cairo and other youtube protest context and they blamed it on the filmaker guy when they knew this was no youtube protest.

Horrible!


23 posted on 10/29/2012 4:13:52 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bibi probably told Obama on the phone. “By the way Barak, our Mossad intel sources says your consulate in Libya is under attack, what you going to do about that?”


24 posted on 10/29/2012 4:24:06 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Molon Labbie

I certainly would not be surprised if that were the case.


25 posted on 10/29/2012 4:38:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bfl


26 posted on 10/29/2012 4:47:38 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife


27 posted on 10/29/2012 4:57:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Scooter100
He says the US let them dump garbage there just because they wanted to be a good neighbor.

That a good summary of Zero's foreign policy. The world now has zero fear of the US, and with no fear has zero respect.

28 posted on 10/29/2012 5:01:32 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Gene Eric

Correct.

The caller indicated that the standing orders were to save lives.
General Ham’s standing orders were to save the US men in Benghazi.

Someone told him to stand down. That would have to be Panetta or Obama.


29 posted on 10/29/2012 6:29:17 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft."

Bumper sticker: One Manpad can ruin your whole vacation.

30 posted on 10/29/2012 7:42:13 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: saintgermaine

““Don’t go there unless there will be hell to pay” So like an obedient dog with its tail between his legs we turned a one-eighty and let these bastards kill our ambassador.”

OK, so what if this was a black mail.

“Look Mr President. We have MANPADS in position and ready to fire. Either you let us have Kadafi’s weapons and don’t try to stop us or we will start shooting down passenger airliners. We will shoot down fifteen within the day of an counter attack.”

Massive downed passenger jets with 100s of people dead would not make Obama look good right before the election.


31 posted on 10/29/2012 7:51:52 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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