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How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American
The Atlantic ^ | October 24, 2012 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 10/25/2012 7:54:33 PM PDT by opentalk

Cornered by reporters with video cameras, former White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, a senior adviser to President Obama's reelection campaign, attempted to defend the kill list...

The second notable statement concerns the killing of 16-year-old American citizen Abdulrahman al-Awlaki..

ADAMSON: ...It's an American citizen that is being targeted without due process, without trial. And, he's underage. He's a minor.

GIBBS: I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children. I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business.

.. He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere... his father had already been dead for two weeks. Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists. Killing an American citizen without due process

(Excerpt) Read more at m.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; accountability; drones; executivepower; ndaa; obama; slipperyslope; transparency; wot
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1 posted on 10/25/2012 7:54:37 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
Yes, the justification is wrong. But if you are a 16 year old hanging out with people who are behind enemy lines who are plotting to kill us, I have little sympathy for you. There is always the reality of collateral damage. It always occurs or is a possibility. If we refuse to allow collateral damage, we will be rendered incapable of action and we will be defeated.
2 posted on 10/25/2012 7:59:48 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
The left is turning on President Obama. Bad things happen to people who hang out with bad people. The left doesn’t understand that, and they are looking for an offramp in any case.
3 posted on 10/25/2012 8:04:28 PM PDT by ghannonf18
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To: marktwain

“Yes, the justification is wrong. But if you are a 16 year old hanging out with people who are behind enemy lines who are plotting to kill us, I have little sympathy for you.”

I’m with you. There are lots of fun places to visit and hang out - like Australia, Germany, Italy, Peru, etc. Is it really necessary to visit a country that President Obama is blasting off the map (perhaps the only policy I respect of Obama), given all the alternatives - particularly when your pops is US Enemy #1?


4 posted on 10/25/2012 8:05:21 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: opentalk

From the article:

“Take Pakistan, where the CIA kills some people without even knowing their identities.”

In war, most people are killed by people who do not know their identities. What kind of P.C. is this, that you have to ask an enemy combatant for I.D. before you can strike them?


5 posted on 10/25/2012 8:05:40 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: opentalk

Lesseee, he was hanging out with Moslem terrorists who are plotting to kill Americans?

I’m gonna have to go with 0bamao on this one.

I mean, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


6 posted on 10/25/2012 8:07:57 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: marktwain

Yup. I sleep well knowing a terrorist is dead, whether he’s 10, 12 or 16. The only identity I need is “dead terrorist # 2, 800, 416”. Liberals love criminals, as the saying goes..


7 posted on 10/25/2012 8:10:48 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: opentalk
but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists.

Now the US finds it a-ok to kill the son for the sins of the father.
Wow.

8 posted on 10/25/2012 8:19:32 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: opentalk

Never thought I would agree with Hussein..


9 posted on 10/25/2012 8:20:43 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Barack Hussein Obama, what American would elect a guy with that name less than 10 years after 9-11?)
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To: BobL

Don’t forget, all you Tea Partiers are “terrorists”. Watch out for attacks on your high school sons.


10 posted on 10/25/2012 8:22:11 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: max americana

Dittos to that. I don’t give a rip how old the little goat humpin’ muslim terrorist is either. (Wasn’t there a video from a few years ago with some 12 year old muslim ‘head chopper in training’ sawin’ away shown?)


11 posted on 10/25/2012 8:24:07 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired high up in the mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: OneWingedShark
Now the US finds it a-ok to kill the son for the sins of the father. Wow.

If the father takes his son into the armed camp of the enemy, behind enemy lines, and the son is killed in a strike on the enemy, I suppose that is killing the son for the sins of the father.

It is a bit of a stretch. This did not occur in a place where warrants could be served.

12 posted on 10/25/2012 8:29:06 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
From the article..This sounds like he was the main target of intentional drone hit. His father had been killed two weeks earlier in a different location. He hadn't seen him in 2 years.
13 posted on 10/25/2012 8:41:23 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk; All
From the article..This sounds like he was the main target of intentional drone hit. His father had been killed two weeks earlier in a different location. He hadn't seen him in 2 years.

The impression that I get is that the article is trying to give that impression without any evidence that it is so.

From what I have read, the 16 year old was killed in the presence of a number of other young men around a fire by the side of a road in the tribal areas of Yemen that are not under government control.

Who else was there, and who might have been targeted and why, are not explained.

14 posted on 10/25/2012 8:55:42 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: opentalk
Killing terrorists is ok with me. However, I do have a problem with a US citizen being targeted by our Government for assassination on the say so of someone like Obama. He is after all pretty thin skinned and would rather his opponents were out of the picture.

This is how countries are lulled down the totalitarian garden path. First they start with the unsavory, undesirable,poor, and powerless-unsympathetic people that no one really cares about or has a poor opinion of them for some reason.

Once that is all set up and going well they start expanding the definition of what defines this class of citizens that is not entitled to their constitutional rights.

Pretty soon everyone is under their thumb one way or another, and has no right to object, to have due process or even breath.

15 posted on 10/25/2012 8:57:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: marktwain
If the father takes his son into the armed camp of the enemy, behind enemy lines, and the son is killed in a strike on the enemy, I suppose that is killing the son for the sins of the father. It is a bit of a stretch. This did not occur in a place where warrants could be served.

It's true that they were outside the US's jurisdiction; however, it's the justification offered that is so... unjust.
I also hesitate to point a finger saying he was palling around w/ terrorists for two reasons: 1) if he were then Gibbs would not make main point about the father, but about the terrorists; and 2) the government's willingness to label near anyone [who the government doesn't like] as terrorist {ex Tea Party}... this reediness to do so robs the term of its meaning and makes it utterly useless.

16 posted on 10/25/2012 9:16:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: VanShuyten

“Don’t forget, all you Tea Partiers are “terrorists”. Watch out for attacks on your high school sons.”

Heck, I’ll give them the coordinates if my kid is in Yemen, plotting to kill Americans.


17 posted on 10/25/2012 9:34:59 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: opentalk

no big deal....

just hush and watch with admiration as Obama polishes his Peace prize...


18 posted on 10/25/2012 9:38:46 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: marktwain

It’s not collateral damage, there was no exigent circumstance and no POTUS should have the power to assasinate 16 year old American citizens anywhere. Especially when they are not wanted for anything by anybody.


19 posted on 10/25/2012 9:43:21 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: opentalk
Sorry folks he should not have been there but it looks like he was visiting his fathers homeland. As Americans we either stand for something or we don't. This smells of murder to me.
I'm retired military and have no love for that part of the world and would put down a terrorist in a heartbeat. This was not a terrorist. We have a right in this country that we do not have to agree with each other. They might have just killed someone because they were black, Asian, or female. There is nothing right about this.
20 posted on 10/25/2012 9:46:32 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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