Posted on 10/17/2012 8:14:45 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
Having had a night's sleep to reflect on things, Tuesday night's debate between President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is starting to feel more like the challenger scored a narrow victory.
The instant analysis, which I helped provide as part of the U.S. News & World Report opinion team's live blogging of the event, lends itself to snap judgments made in the heat of the moment. What matters more is what people remember the next day, even as everything both candidates said and everything both candidates did is analyzed to death.
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Romney supporters think he won the debate. Obama supporters think that he did. The important fact is that Obama needed a clear and decisive win to offset the shellacking he got two weeks ago. And he didn’t get it.
Heh, heh ..... exactly what I've been saying all morning .... as the week goes on, it will become apparent that Romney actually won (even if 'narrow').
Romney up 2 to zero
People are starting to figure out that Obummer’s “To Do” list in 2012 is pretty much the same as it was in 2008. He spent much of his time talking about things that he wants to do in a second term; the trouble is that these are the same things that he wanted to accomplish four years ago. Obummer was begging for a “Do Over”...like a damned five-year-old kid.
Obama didn’t need a clear and decisive win. He needed to reset the narrative on him and Romney, preferably back to the Romney as Scrooge perception that existed prior to the first debate. All Romney had to for was prevent himself from being repainted.
Last night was a major failure for Obama, because while he may have win on points he blew his last real shot at redefining Romney in a way that removed Romney as a credible/viable alternative.
It depends on how one defines "won the debate." I think Romney smoked Obama. He came off as more presidential, and that is the point of these debates, at bottom.
Pretty big deal when a water carrier for the DEMs and Obama shows weakness in conviction. The propaganda mojo is not so strong, anymore.
I can tell you when Romney won. When he kept trying, but couldn’t get, Obama to tell the truth about oil drilling on federal land, AND when he prodded Obama about Benghazi and the jerk lied through his teeth- AGAIN.
I loved it when Obama tried to look angry about the Benghazi question. He has lied, his administration lied, and then they ALL tried to cover it up.
All Romney had to do was hold his ground and not make a mistake. He didnt, and came across as presidential even though the debate was moderated by a democrat political hack who threw the debate.
In the days ahead, Crowlady will become the focus of that greasy back handed tactic. This debate was a wash, damaged beyond any repair.
So, now we have had the democrats even damage the integrity of debates-forever. They simply do not care, they destroy everything they come in contact with.
He was more animated than in the previous debate, but his biggest problem is that, after 4 years, he still has little to run on.
Obamacare? 70% hate it.
Killing bin Laden. Okay, give him that. However, that is what has helped inflame the Midde East more than some obscure video.
Golf?
Month long vacations?
Michelle’s garden?
Bo?
There isn’t much else there.
23 million are unemployed.
The number of food stamp recipients has gone up some 30%.
The GNP is struggling at about 1%.
He says he created 5 million jobs in 30-some months. But, that doesn’t even keep up with population growth, and he has been president 45 months — each of those months seeing more than 1 million new joblessness claims.
Romney set Obama up on the Libya charade, whether purposeful or not. On Monday, Romney can use the fraud Obama and Crowley perpetrated in the debate to shame the President for his dishonesty, and not being straight with the Amreican people, about Libya and foreign affairs generally. Link up the bamboozling with what he is doing with Russia, “I’ll have more flexibility after the election.” We need a President who is realistic, not one who lives in a fantasy world and tries to fool the American people into believing things that just aren’t so—like killing Bin Laden means that Islamic terrorism is a thing of the past.
Romney’s message was strong and in the vein of “We can’t take another four years of Obama’s economy and Obama’s policies”
It is the type of message that will be remembered. He repeated it in several variations over and over in the answers to many of the questions.
So yes, the debate was a win for Romney, message successfully sent and received by the independent voters out there.
Somebody should do a political cartoon of Candy throwing herself sideways in front of Obama to take a bullet for him. That says it all.
“Presidential” works as a ‘win’ for me ..... and evidently it worked for the Luntz focus group (real people, not media hacks) since that was probably the most frequently used adjective to describe Romney.
Romney may have lost the “debate” to Barry and Candy on points and missed opportunities, but he surely won the electorate.
Lies are interesting things. There are lies about provable things that can be verified by an impartial third observer, then there are the lies that can’t be “proven” in the traditional sense, like a person’s thoughts and inner motivation. Take for example when the bamster says he cares about the middle class. We know he’s lying like a rug, but the left knows it can’t be “proven” in the normal sense, so it just goes under the radar of discussion.
You are right to place debate within quote marks. It was NOT a debate. It was a carefully managed forum where one of the candidates could answer questions with little fear of his response provoking DEBATE.
In the first debate Obama's untruths could be called into question by Romney. During the last debate we had the moderatrix running interference for Obama and even assisting him by "correcting" Romney.
What a sham. I am not surprised it turned out this way. It was inescapable. Crowley is already making excuses for her interference.
“Romney up 2 to zero”
Cute. I see what you did there.
This will not set well with the general public, ala Luntz' focus group's comments. If anything, the debate will help Romney in the polls. . plus Romney was his usual focused articulate self with a command of the facts and his five point plan.
No matter what the outcome, no one on the side of Obama and the MSM will even hint that Obama may have been edged out last night in debate two. He got so slammed in the first one they simply cannot admit that he was anything but stellar.
Obama won on points! cuuuze,
Obama rudely interrupted and watched the clock better to interrupt Romney!
Obama was more forceful and he was energetic!
Obama is the better liar!
Obama lies were supported by Candy!
Yeah, Obama "Won"
You got to be DUmber than and eggplant to think Obama won.
That's the real BIG STORY now, the one that has been hidden from the Undecideds, the Story that HAS not been told on the Front Pages or evening news.
NOW, they want to know what is this all about. When they find out, they will be pissed off big time at being lied to some more.
Romney won that debate, hands down. On the facts, as well as composure and dignity.
I don’t understand why there is no talk about what the women voters think. Why drop that topic?
Anyway, I thought Obama sound strident and loud. He made me uncomfortable.
Mitt was calm.
I suspect that in the foreign policy debate we will hear almost as much from the moderator as from the candidates. That third moderator will have his hands full complying with orders from above to decisively resuscitate the kenyan and flummox the romney.
The stupid Obama mainstream media bubble will burst in 20 days.
It will be glorious. Heh.
and may he and her go out in the same manner.
Mitt Romney won. The team of B.Obama and his Candy lost.
Listening to Rush and he is expressing what I felt last night while watching this. There is no way Obama “won” this, he merely showed-up.
“Anyone who thinks the ghastly, deer-eyed, robotic display by bam last night, with a pocket full of platitudes and nicotine patches under his shirt was a “win” is smoking something.”
I don’t see how anyone considers this an Obama win when he made a HUGE GAFFE in talking about gas prices. Claiming gas prices were low because of the poor economy in 2008 is demonstrably false and shows how out of touch with reality he is. I hope that line gets made into a Romney ad.
I think the Luntz focus group got it right. Romney crushed Obama. Romney is going to open the next debate by pointing out that Obama lied about the press conference and that if lied about something so easy to check, what wouldn’t he lie about.
LOL like in “The Bodyguard” with K Costner. That is a funny mental image.
“Romney set Obama up on the Libya charade, whether purposeful or not. On Monday, Romney can use the fraud Obama and Crowley perpetrated in the debate to shame the President for his dishonesty, and not being straight with the Amreican people, about Libya and foreign affairs generally.”
I thought Romney was weak and hesitant on Libya which was surprizing to me considering how important an issue it is. However the debate showed how Obama will argue the issue so Rom will be better prepared next time.
That's going to be half of the victory party. Someone ought to make a DVD of the various MSM comments after the election is 'called.' Chrissy crying, Steponallofus gesticulating gibberish, Maddow ?
Romney did not lose the debate. Obama’s standard level set from the first debate did not need much to exceed.
But Romney left so much on the table. Fast and Furious during gun control, Obama’s own administration pays the women in the WH less than their male counterparts, and on and on....
He needs to be able to make his points in more concise terms.
He apparently wasn't expecting and was taken aback by the partisanship of the host. After Lehrer he let his guard down. He should not have. After the first debate he and his handlers should have known and expected worse than what they got from Crowley. After all, Crowley has a history that should was sending up flares and they must have known that the MSM employers of the Host wold lean hard on the host to perform for the kenyan and the Democrats would do the same.
Agree. I almost felt sorry for the doofus. Clearly, he struggled to connect an appropriate programmed cliche catch phrase from his little pea brain in order to respond to a question.
This entire narrative about debate ‘points’ is ridiculous. The debate was a one-sided sham.
The moderator didn’t do her job. She allowed Obama to repeatedly interrupt, she didn’t time them correctly, she interjected her own views and she joined the debate.
What the heck was she doing with the transcript and how did Obama know she had that transcript right on her podium?
I’d say the reported explosion of death threats against Romney is proof positive that Obama lovers think Romney won last night.
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