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Romney cites his healthcare law as proof of his compassion
LA Times ^ | September 26, 2012 | Seema Mehta

Posted on 09/26/2012 7:23:28 PM PDT by conservativefreak

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To: GoCards

Yea. Interestingly enough, the best way to energize the base at this point would be to get Sarah Palin (I use her not because I agree with everything she says but because she has a lot of sway with the base)to promise to oppose Romney in 2016 if he’s elected.


51 posted on 09/26/2012 7:58:56 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: rwfromkansas

The ad pretty much sucks and there was definitely NO need for the line that “both me and Obama care about the poor and the middle class.” That is the exact same garbage that McCain did last time, saying Obama is a “nice guy.” George Bush Sr. didn’t walk around talking about how nice a guy Michael Dukakis was. They made him into an unelectable caricature and a national laughing stock. There is simply no need for that line in the ad at all. The rule in political ads is if you can’t say anything negative about the other candidate, DON’T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL! Pepsi doesn’t run an ad saying “Coke and Pepsi are both good, but we think we’re a little better!”

Romney also has to do more than refer to “my plan.” The lack of specifics about what makes his plan so different and better is NOT going to win anyone over. That’s why Clinton’s speech at the DNC was so well-received. He gave a lot of specifics. People WON’T take the time to fact-check what he says, so accuracy doesn’t matter much, but when they hear specifics, it makes the argument sound more convincing to them. They assume the person knows what they’re talking about and isn’t just spewing empty BS. It’s the difference between reading a book report from a kid who read the book and one who didn’t and just writes up a generic review.

The ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HjDCHbtXHQ&feature=player_embedded


52 posted on 09/26/2012 7:59:31 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: wiseprince

At the moment I wish we were Canada, and I think we can get this country back.

I would vote for Harper over Obama in a heartbeat.

I know Obamacare will break us.
They haven’t even started collecting for tat and we ar 6 trillion further in debt.

FUBO!!


53 posted on 09/26/2012 8:00:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ncalburt

Troll! Good one. What most trolls post when they don’t have a valid argument. Disagree, call them a troll.


54 posted on 09/26/2012 8:03:15 PM PDT by doc1019 (Turn Medina into a glass parking lot and all this crap will stop.)
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To: mylife

maybe it will break the country maybe it won’t. That was never the right argument. Even if it balanced the budget I would still oppose it because I, as a free person, should not be forced to buy anything just because I was born in the country. That’s the argument, that’s the only argument that really matters. If you win the argument based on its impact on the debt you’re really just winning the argument on the edges. One day they may find a way to make the numbers work. On that day, I would still oppose it on principle of it.


55 posted on 09/26/2012 8:03:40 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: Frapster

Oh, say it again.


56 posted on 09/26/2012 8:04:26 PM PDT by doc1019 (Turn Medina into a glass parking lot and all this crap will stop.)
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To: mylife
I understand the difference of how each plan came about and how they were implemented. But you made the claim that Romneycare was constitutional. I just don't see how that is true.

As you know I live in CA. I wouldn't want the leftist-lature and leftist gov here to try to force me to buy anything like Romney and the leftists in Mass did simply because the majority of residents of this state are liberals and wanted it

Until the day comes when we say NO to our elected leaders turning on us and forcing us to buy into unwanted liberal ideals through unconstitutional legislation they will continue to do so.

57 posted on 09/26/2012 8:04:42 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: All

I am voting for Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz.

What say you?


58 posted on 09/26/2012 8:05:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: conservativefreak

Coulter Rove Fox News must be proud of their Mittens.


59 posted on 09/26/2012 8:06:28 PM PDT by Leep
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To: South40

Its all too high after 4 years of Obama..most states already have a way to deal with this..maybe just leaving it a state issue is the way to go..All Dems are trying to do with healthcare is get the cash in DC ..taking more power and cash from states..fed mandates have made everything impossable


60 posted on 09/26/2012 8:07:05 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Frapster
This is a LA Slimes astroturf piece meant to tick off
conservatives and keep them from voting .
The Slimes knows that their buddy Axelrod has his astroturfers ready to spread this carefully edited hit piece far and wide on the web !!

And it arrived here on schedule to spread dismay and the “lets sit this one out “ crowd arrives
Most of this crowd are either DUers or Paulbots hopng to spread the “dont vote” virus for Obama !

61 posted on 09/26/2012 8:07:10 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: conservativefreak

aaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!! quit trying to out obama , obama. Be Romney. Tell us who you are. Show us how you are different; POINT OUT SOLYNDRA, CRONY CAPITALISM, BAILOUT OF SCOTLAND BANK,FISKAR,BILLIONS TO MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, PIPLINE BLOCK, GULF OIL BLOCK, VIABLE FOSSIL FUEL IN GERNERAL BLOCK, COAL BLOCK, STUPID MICHELE’s DRACONIAN SCHOOL LUNCH BS,

GUNS WALKING. On this issue especially you should make the appeal to Hispanics on boarder states that it was an Obama program and their relatives across the boarder could (and likely have) been slaughtered with them

FOREIGN POLICY. Never let a speech go by without mentioning the open mike comments to Putin, the continuing failure to properly investigate the murder of our ambassador in Libya.
(If CNN finds a diary on the floor of the facility four days after the carnage then we OBVIOUSLY have not had ANY evidence gatherers of any kind in there). The fact that the intelligence stolen is already resulting in more deaths (like pakistan after osama op) of our foreign operatives in Libya. How do we expect locals to help our cause if they keep getting dead for the effort.

Better tighten up. Can’t handle another McCain , mr. nice guy, but stomping.

We are fired up, energized and ready to got to the mats. We aren’t seeing the kind of all out ,no holds barred campaigning that will TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK.


62 posted on 09/26/2012 8:08:30 PM PDT by ping jockey (We have arrogant jerks for leaders and WE will pay the highest cost.)
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To: mylife
I will not be voting for Romney but I live in CA which will go to Obama regardless so I have that luxury.

Wish I could vote for Ted Cruz.

63 posted on 09/26/2012 8:10:50 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: ncalburt

I guess it’s up to us to at least shore up the more ‘nervous’ among us. ;)


64 posted on 09/26/2012 8:13:02 PM PDT by Frapster (ugh)
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To: doc1019
Lets get back to your comments again.

You compared a “ Marxist Muslim who hates the USA to Romney ??? And Said they were the same ??

Romney is a Marxist America hater ??? That's a new one. Your promoting here “not voting” which helps who ????
Obama, an evil Marxist Muslim who is destroying this country and will finish it off with 4 more years !!!

65 posted on 09/26/2012 8:13:55 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: South40

It was constitutional under the MA constitution with a majority of votes.
Obamacare was not constitutional at a federal level particularly with a minority of votes and back room shenanigans bending the elbows of congress.

Look, Texas has the right to enable laws that MA, and does not have to accept and visa versa.

The 10th amendment means something.

Beyond that, States rights should hold more sway that the Federal Gov.

You and I had many words over Perry, but all of your complaints (for the most part) had to do with the you ascribing the Federal Govs actions onto Perry.
The Federal Gov should NEVER Tell the states what to do.


66 posted on 09/26/2012 8:14:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40

Well, I wish you would vote against Obama even if it is in vain.


67 posted on 09/26/2012 8:15:22 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ping jockey
I agree with those comments too.
Way too cautious
68 posted on 09/26/2012 8:15:42 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: JediJones

Getting as close as you can to your opponent is a recipe not for winning, but merely narrowing the margin of your loss.

*sigh*

Wonder who’s running in 2016?


69 posted on 09/26/2012 8:16:52 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: sickoflibs

BWahahaahah...you couldnt script a better dive in the WWE...


70 posted on 09/26/2012 8:16:52 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ncalburt
More of your anti Romney BS that smells like Paul bot troll BS.

No, I voted for Newt Gingrich in the primary. I also liked Santorum, Perry, Cain and Bachmann better than Paul. But Paul said enough right things in the debates that I moved him to just above Romney in the rankings, who was dead last based on both his positions on the issues and his virtually guaranteed unelectability in the general election. No candidate had as many Achilles' Heels on which to strike him than Romney did.

71 posted on 09/26/2012 8:18:16 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: mylife
It's not constitutional just because those who created it (or you) say it is. See post #19.

What's your lousy governor got to do with this?

72 posted on 09/26/2012 8:18:16 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: Frapster
Some are just trolls and some just like to be negative and some like to spread their VIRUS to others !
73 posted on 09/26/2012 8:18:51 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: mylife

Unfortunately to vote against Obama requires that I vote for Romney. I’ll pass.


74 posted on 09/26/2012 8:19:25 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: South40

My lousy Gov has Texas prosperous despite this mess.


75 posted on 09/26/2012 8:20:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ping jockey

Gov. Romney in all the debates kept saying, for 93% nothing changed.
about Romneycare.

I SCREAMED AT THE TV.

Either he’s a lying politician who omits stuff OR he really doesn’t know
and understand the law.

I think (B): he doesn’t get it. He doesn’t get it because he doesn’t do
his own FREAKIN STATE TAXES. HE GETS SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THEM
and whatever health insurance he has.... puts down his company
and ID number. HE DOESN”T EVEN KNOW HE HAD TO GIVE UP
HIS HEALTH PRIVACY TO THE STATE.

HE DOESN”T KNOW IT.

WELL I”M NOT GOING TO FILL OUT THE 5 PAGE extension of the MA tax form.

I am going to write a letter and say “I have health insurance and/or
a large amount in the bank.:” I will say I have not gone to the emergency
room in 20 years. And you can check, the last time I went I used
my private health insurance.

SIGNED NOTARY PUBLIC me.

ITS A VIOLATION OF PRIVACY,,, illegal search and seizure 4th AMENDMENT

YOU DON”T HAVE THE RIGHT TO FINE ME based on nothing

I DIDN”T GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM

I ALWAYS PAID MY &*(@(&#&*( BILLS

BECAUSE WE HAVE DEADBEATS AND ILLEGAL ALIENS, I GOTTA GIVE UP
mY PRIVACY RIGHTS, MY FREEDOM

AND WE DON”T DO ANYTHING FOR PEOPLE WHO WALK AWAY FROM
HUGE CREDIT CARD BILLS, HUGE LOANS, HOUSES,

WE ALL HAVE TO PAY MORE EXPENSIVE CREDIT CARD, BANK ACCOUNTS,
MERCHANDISE BECAUSE OF Deadbeats and STEALERS

NOW RAND PAUL IS campaigninbg with Romney in Ohio

HE BETTER SET ROMNEY STRAIGHT.

Now I’m going to have to pay the insurance mandate state tax again.

YES. I had health insurance ....but I didn’t fill out the MA state tax —

COST ME ONLY $250 ONE TIME, NOW IT’S GOING TO COST ME $1000
TO RETAIN MY PRIVACY AND FREEDOM


76 posted on 09/26/2012 8:21:04 PM PDT by preamble
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To: mylife

Using stimulus/federal taxpayer money, sure.


77 posted on 09/26/2012 8:21:16 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: JediJones
thanks for posting the ad.
Your right on ,Its a stupid ad to run.

Your not firing up a base with that stuff. I smell that clown Ed Gillespie all over that one.

78 posted on 09/26/2012 8:21:58 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: conservativefreak

Obama, that arrogant racist cow he’s married to and his corrupt democrats have still got to go, period.


79 posted on 09/26/2012 8:22:23 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: ncalburt
Marxist Muslim who hates the USA to Romney

Never said that (love those that put words in my mouth), I said I say no difference in the politics of Obama and Romney. Whether one or the other is a Marxist, that is beyond my pay grade.

80 posted on 09/26/2012 8:22:58 PM PDT by doc1019 (Turn Medina into a glass parking lot and all this crap will stop.)
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To: South40
"The last I looked the idea of forcing free Americans to buy healthcare was not very popular in this country. So why is Romney portraying himself as someone who thinks it is? "

The reason is that Romney has bought in the liberal fallacy that if a politician spends taxpayers dollars on universal programs to "help" people then you are compassionate.

Notice Romney didn't say "I am compassionate I gave out of my own pocketbook millions of dollars to charity just last year." Instead he uses the example of him passing RomneyCare as an example of his compassion.

If Romney has already accepted the moral matrix of the left (i.e., spending taxpayers dollars= compassion), how is he ever going to be able to cogently explain any right-leaning legislation he'll support to Congress and the American people?
81 posted on 09/26/2012 8:24:59 PM PDT by conservativefreak
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To: conservativefreak

RomneyCare wasn’t so compassionate to the taxpayers that paid for it all through the government stealing their incomes.


82 posted on 09/26/2012 8:25:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: South40

Despite Perry’s poor performance due to meds after a back surgery, only 2 people took it to Romney.

Perry first and then Newt.

All that is water near a bridge.

We have to take Obama and his band of infiltrators out!


83 posted on 09/26/2012 8:25:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JediJones
I posted to you .
You were right .the AD IS A MESS.
I am just FOR stopping Obama at all costs now .
Romney was never my favorite either but I CAN SLEEP at night with him in the WH rather than this evil Marxist muslim owned by the Saudis.
84 posted on 09/26/2012 8:25:56 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: rwfromkansas

Who is advising Romney? This is an absolute winner for Romney - “As Gov of Mass I worked with the legislature to solve the problems of Mass - Romney care. In America “one size does not fit all”, Each of our states has unique problems that can only be solved by the Governor and Legislature of the individual states. “Romney care” was the Massachusetts solution for our people but was NEVER intended for the rest of the nation. When I was Governor of Mass, we solved our problems for our citizens, this was our responsibility under OUR State Constitution.

I believe the other 49 states need to do likewise. Again I believe there are 50 solutions for 50 states solved by 50 Governors and Legislatures, NOT President Obama’s one size fits all OBAMACARE solution for his “57” states. As President I will repeal OBAMACARE and turn the solution of local problems over to States.


85 posted on 09/26/2012 8:26:10 PM PDT by Billyv (Freedom isn't Free! Get off the sidelines!)
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To: mylife

“Romney did no such thing. He merely did what his constituents wanted.”

Which is why we have a constitution to keep the two wolves from voting to eat the sheep.


86 posted on 09/26/2012 8:26:36 PM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: conservativefreak

Great points CF. Romney should be defining himself as the anti-Obama, not one who is like him.


87 posted on 09/26/2012 8:27:34 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: JediJones

I think it is a good ad.


88 posted on 09/26/2012 8:27:59 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: CodeToad

That is true.


89 posted on 09/26/2012 8:28:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: doc1019
The politics ???

The Marxist in the white is owned by the Saudis and letting the Iranians and Muslim Brotherhood take over the Middle East !

Eric Holder is destroying our voting laws

Romney supports Israel not the Muslim Brotherhood / Iran !

90 posted on 09/26/2012 8:29:57 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: mylife
The debates weren't Perry's downfall. His record of liberal policies were.

You have not proved how Romneycare is constitutional though you made that claim and you ignored the fact that Texas doing so well economically was due to the influx of stimulus dollars from the federal government. You need to rethink your positions.

91 posted on 09/26/2012 8:31:29 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: JediJones

I saw no where in the ad were Romney condoned a welfare state.
I saw him define himself against Obama by saying he would create 12 million new jobs to strengthen the middle class to lift them up.


92 posted on 09/26/2012 8:33:47 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40

BS


93 posted on 09/26/2012 8:34:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40

Perry gives his finger to Fed money all the time.


94 posted on 09/26/2012 8:36:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ncalburt
I'm voting for him and I defended him on the 47% comment and his comments about the muslim terrorist attacks. At this point I'm less concerned with how he'll govern and more concerned with his electability. Beyond firing the base, how in the world can he make people who voted for Obama last time change their vote without strongly criticizing Obama? Why would they switch their vote unless there is no doubt in their mind that Romney's better?

It's sort of like being engaged. You wouldn't break off your engagement for a new woman who seemed a lot like your wife but promised to be just a little nicer to you than she is. She would have to convince you that not only is she WAY better than your fiance in every way, but that your fiance isn't who you thought she was, and lied to you.

95 posted on 09/26/2012 8:38:33 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: ncalburt

Obama said many wonderful things before he was elected as well. I don’ t trust either one. Once in office Mitt could turn on a dime as did Obamass.


96 posted on 09/26/2012 8:40:40 PM PDT by doc1019 (Turn Medina into a glass parking lot and all this crap will stop.)
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To: JediJones

The ad is for Ohio.
People in Ohio have been depressed over work for almost 4 decades.
People there crave work, They want pride.
Obama offers crumbs.


97 posted on 09/26/2012 8:42:13 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

“The difference is that in Massachusetts it was constitutional and it is what the people wanted.”


Where in the constitution of Massachusetts that John Adams wrote where it justifies the state forcing individuals to purchase services from a private entity?

Fact is, RomneyCare was just as unprecedented for States as it was for the Federal government. Don’t buy the Romney BS spin for their crimes against humanity.

And as for people “wanting it.” Keep in mind Romney and his cohorts in that state lied about what it would do, but now they can’t get rid of it because, like the mob, once you’re in too deep they won’t let you out. Romney still lies about it, claiming it worked. He keeps saying that he insured everybody. That’s BS. Just as many people were uninsured after the law as they were before, though there were lots more of “legitimate” moochers. He argued they were living off the system by getting free health care by showing up in the emergency rooms and things like that. So now he just pays for their healthcare entirely, and the people who were already paying are now FORCED to pay for levels of insurance dictated by the State paying hundreds of dollars more just based on their tax bracket.

It’s socialism but with the capitalist veneer. Hmmm, similar to how the Nazis sold Fascism.


98 posted on 09/26/2012 8:42:52 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: JediJones

I’m not sure why anyone is surprised. This is exactly the same thing Romney did when he ran against Kennedy in the debates in 1994. He was very sensitive to the idea that he would reduce the size of government. In one of the town hall formats liberals in the audience kept asking questions about if Romney would be cutting off or reducing government subsidies. Romney only claimed minor differences in the debate against Kennedy and at one point used words to the effect of “I’m not looking to make any big changes from how Kennedy would vote except in these minor areas.”

I clearly remember Limbaugh lambasting Romney on his radio show after that debate and suggesting that Romney’s response to the audience should have been something along the lines of “Ask not what your country can do for you. Did you not hear what this man’s brother said?”

Different campaign, same old Mitt Romney. The GOP is trying to fight one big liberal with a slightly smaller liberal. Oh no, we couldn’t elect a real conservative because Mitt Romney was sooooo electable. And some of our fellow conservatives fell for it. The GOP is pretty much dead to me at this point.


99 posted on 09/26/2012 8:45:49 PM PDT by Honcho
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To: mylife

I wish I could vote for Ted Cruz, and vote for Paul Ryan for President as well.


100 posted on 09/26/2012 8:46:59 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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