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Long-Form Birth Certificate of Obama is a Forged Document
Israel Science and Technology Directory ^ | 9/11/12 | unknown

Posted on 09/12/2012 5:02:21 AM PDT by Triple

Long-Form Birth Certificate of Obama is a Forged Document

A note of explanation

Since this is a site of Science and technology, there is a need to explain why this site dedicates a page to expose forgery about a document related to Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. Mr. Obama is the President of the USA that is currently the leader of the Free World, and the most powerful country in the Western hemisphere. In his position as the President, the policies pursued by Mr. Obama affects the whole world and not just the USA.

Because of the persisting controversy about his eligibility, On April 27, 2011 the Office of the President at the White House released a document that is called "Long-Form Birth Certificate". The release of this simple document, after two years of controversy, raised in our minds the possibility that there could be something suspicious about the information available on this document. To check this, we downloaded the document that was posted at the White House site at http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf.

The analyses presented below reveal without a doubt that the Long-Form Birth Certificate of Mr. Obama is a fabricated, fake and forged document.

The publication of such a blatantly fake document about something so basic as the birthplace of Mr. Obama, should raise great concern about the suitability of the person who is holding the reigns on the most powerful country of the World.

Moreover, the lack of action on the part of the members of the United States House of Representatives and Senate, as well as the courts of the United States, despite many previous appeals to these three branches of American government, also raise a concern about how the governmental institutions of the reputedly best, and certainly the most important democracy in the Free World have avoided this issue.

Below, we present two different means by which the PDF document of Long-Form Birth Certificate of Mr. Obama can be examined.

Analysis of the document using Foxit Reader

A PDF document can be read by many different type of programs freely available. Here we used Foxit Reader version 4.3.1 that can be downloaded from the Foxit web site.

Instructions to check the document:

Download the document from http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf Open the PDF document using Foxit Reader.

Zoom into the document 800%. Scroll down until you see the serial number of the document "61 1064" in the top right-hand side of the document. In full page view the number appears as "61 10641". But, after magnification, the last digit "1" disappears! This last digit is also in a font that is different from the other digits. This is only one example. Many more examples can be discovered by examining magnified document with full page view of the document. In brief, this simple analysis using just a viewing software reveals that the PDF document has been doctored by a graphics software.

Analysis of the document using Inkscape, a vector graphics software.

Reservations could be raised about the results of imaging by Foxit Reader noted above. As an independent test of the composition of the "Long-Form Birth Certificate" of Obama, the PDF file was also examined by an open source freely available Inkscape (version 0.48.1) graphics software.

Instructions to check the document:

Download the document from http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf Import the PDF document using Inkscape. Unmark the two options in order not to modify the document.

In vector graphics software, an image is composed of elements. If the "Long-Form Birth Certificate" of Obama was a photocopied document then it should not be composed of separate parts. To reveal if the document has parts, click on the image opened. The status line at the bottom of the software reports that the image is composed of "2 objects" that have been grouped. To "ungroup" image components click Ctrl-Shift-G or select Object>Ungroup. For a second time, again click on the image and to "ungroup" image components click Ctrl-Shift-G or select Object>Ungroup. The status line at the bottom of the program reports that the image includes 9 objects.

Again click on the image and for a third time to "ungroup" image components click Ctrl-Shift-G or select Object>Ungroup. This time you see the outlines of nine rectangles marking the boundaries of the 9 objects.

The most important object among the 9 objects that are revealed is shown below.

(image at source - not sure how to get it to appear here)

Comparing the object above with the original document, it is seen that in the top right-hand corner of the document the last digit "1", of the serial number of the form "61 10641" is missing. This repeats the same observation as seen in the simple magnified view of the document in the PDF Foxit Reader (see above).

These are just a few of the problems with this document. There are many other problems with this document that you can read about in various documents and web sites such as:

An expert analysis of the typography and layout of elements in the Long Form Birth certificate by Mara Zebest.

An expert analysis of the typography and layout of elements in the Long Form Birth certificate. Full report by Mara Zebest.

News Conference of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's "Cold Case Posse" revealing that the birth certificate is fake

Why Obama's Birth Certificate Matters, Especially Now

From A to Z: What's wrong with Obama's birth certificate?

'Irrefutable' proof of Obama forgery

Criminal complaint charges Obama birth record 'forged'

Experts: Registrar stamps confirm Obama forgery

A tale of two birth certificates

Obama Blinked! Released His Long Form BC! Or DID HE? - Many Questions Still!

That birth certificate is phony

Hidden messages in Obama's birth certificate

Layered colors 'simple proof' of Obama document forgery

Comparison of the typography of Obama BC reveals that it is forged


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; colb; naturalborncitizen; obama
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No wonder Obama is giving Bibi the cold shoulder...

Pretty simple analysis here, but they link to all the really good ones at the end (hot links at source).

1 posted on 09/12/2012 5:02:29 AM PDT by Triple
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To: Triple

2 posted on 09/12/2012 5:15:16 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Triple

Maybe Obama will ask Vladimir to have the KGB (or successor organization) render a more favorable opinion. Vladimir probably has more flexibility.


3 posted on 09/12/2012 5:15:41 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Triple
This is just the beginning.

Mossad and Bibi have the goods on Obama and want him out of the WH because he has betrayed our ally, Israel.

4 posted on 09/12/2012 5:18:34 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Triple
Looks real to me. Of course I'm getting paid $1.50/hr. trying desperately to sweep this thing under the rug.


5 posted on 09/12/2012 5:23:16 AM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: Triple
Related ...


6 posted on 09/12/2012 5:23:35 AM PDT by Zakeet (Calling the Obozo/Bernack economy sluggish is an insult to slugs)
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To: Triple

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2929245/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2929190/posts


7 posted on 09/12/2012 5:24:25 AM PDT by upchuck (If nobama is reelected and gets to choose more SCOTUS judges, this country is finished.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo.

EVERYBODY—from ALL foreign embassies to the street-sweeper and the janitors in the basement have the goods on this imposter.

It’s and emperor-in-new(ish)-clothes thing.
AND-they have ingnored the case so long now they themselves (hello GOP) are COMPLICIT.
They don’t want to show that now the AUTHORITIES are involved.


8 posted on 09/12/2012 5:27:16 AM PDT by Flintlock (-THE TRUTH--It's the NEW hate speech.)
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To: Flintlock
Yep...but Obama represents an existential threat to Israel and this is their chance to get rid of him.

On top of that, Bibi is a good friend of Romney, going back to their days at Boston Consulting Group.

9 posted on 09/12/2012 5:33:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Triple

I wonder how the whores in the conservative media will handle this news, oh wait, they will ignore it just as they did the other facts surroundng this issue. And trust me, they know who they are too.


10 posted on 09/12/2012 5:36:03 AM PDT by stockpirate (Slaves to the collective! SCOTUS is just as corrupt as congress. IMPEACH ROBERTS!)
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To: stockpirate
I wonder how the whores in the conservative media will handle this news, oh wait, they will ignore it just as they did the other facts surrounding this issue.

First they attack the veracity of the messenger ... then they deep six the compelling evidence.

11 posted on 09/12/2012 5:46:46 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: stockpirate
The "WHORES" in the LAME Stream Media will ignore it, and laugh at those who bring it up, hoping the STUPID that voted for the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF will do it again!
The "WHORES" in the conservative media will follow marching orders from the "Establishment Republicans", who thought Ford, Dole, and McCain were winners.

Here's some FACTS.

This disgusting Curse on our Nation named Barack Hussein Obama II, aka Barry Soetoro, has a real birth certificate, with his right footprint on it.
All you have to do is look for it.

Here's some critical sources and FACTS.
People can go to www.scribd.com and read their pages 20 thru 32 ,
For those of you who don't know, remember this:
8 Congressional attempts from June 2004 to February 2008 to alter Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution, proves to meRead it for yourself.
Then look at these links.
Just before the 2008 election Barack Obama's election team spent $1.4 million blocking access to all of Obama's records.

Barack Hussein Obama II is UNCONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED.
There were 8 attempts by Democrats to try to "Change the Qualification Rules" BEFORE Obama was elected.
They KNOW Obama's ILLEGAL ... AND .... UNQUALIFIED!

Obama's record is hard to find.
Check this link out Sunday, June 27, 2004 Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate.

Think about this.
Here's something to ponder. Now think about those facts,and statements.
The forgeries I'm aware of, are the three Birth Cretificate Barack Hussein Obama II has forged.
I don't trust evidence put forth by Obama supporters.
The disappearance of too much evidence on Obama is strong enough for me to know that he was born in Kenya.

Read INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
The documents provided in that article are very damaging to Obama, and well worth your time.

Most of these early "supporters" of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF were party to the Communists "spooks".
There's a great volume of history you have to go through to understand this, and it goes back to about 1850.

Read these three articles on one of my earlier post:


Now go back and read The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals.

Are you getting the depth of this Fabian Society takeover?

You wouldn't believe the information here

It's deep, it's ugly, and most people WILL NOT ... CAN NOT ... accept the truth.

Anybody recall a press release telling the masses about federal intelligence notes sent warning police about this cabal?





12 posted on 09/12/2012 6:12:34 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest; STARWISE; MestaMachine; thouworm; LucyT; penelopesire; SE Mom; bitt; advertising guy

MSM and government may ignor the fact that it’s a fake, but that denial of Jerusalum sure got somebody’s attention.


13 posted on 09/12/2012 6:37:18 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Triple
Zoom into the document 800%. Scroll down until you see the serial number of the document "61 1064" in the top right-hand side of the document. In full page view the number appears as "61 10641". But, after magnification, the last digit "1" disappears! This last digit is also in a font that is different from the other digits. This is only one example. Many more examples can be discovered by examining magnified document with full page view of the document. In brief, this simple analysis using just a viewing software reveals that the PDF document has been doctored by a graphics software.

If this is all they have then they have nothing.

The document was scanned and it was broken into layers in preparation for optical character recognition. The sections that were recognized as characters were converted to monochrome (1-bit per pixel, not grayscale). That process was not perfect which is why some of the characters were left on the color graphics layer. None of that tells whether the scanned document was taken from a real microfilm record in Hawaii and printed onto their security paper, created by Obama's friends and printed on Hawaii's security paper, or just created entirely by Obama.

Here is an image of each layer I produced when this document came out: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711155/posts?page=997#997 .

Right now I think that we will need someone trusted to look at the microfilm of the original birth certificate to see if it matches the surrounding birth certificates (same format, same hospital name, same typeface, etc). They've had a lot of time to create paper versions, but the "evidence" this author presents proves nothing one way or the other whether this was created or a real copy of the original.

14 posted on 09/12/2012 6:52:09 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: Yosemitest
Here is a scene and dialog we hope to hear in the Israeli government.

Benjamin Netanyahu : " yesterday that A$$hole made a fool out of me and has more or less thrown Israel under the bus "

Benjamin Netanyahu " go release all the information we have and let the world know who he really is and how he has defrauded the American people "
15 posted on 09/12/2012 6:53:13 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Yosemitest

Ford, Dole, McPain: we ought to have a “referendum” on the “best” and the “worst” of the three.

I vote Dole for “best”. And a tie for worst.


16 posted on 09/12/2012 7:17:02 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Who among us has not erred? Akin's the One!)
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To: Triple
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17 posted on 09/12/2012 7:25:45 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: KarlInOhio

There is no OCR or optimization process that accounts for the layering, grouping, color, pixelization, and layer bit content in the whlfcolb.pdf.

I challenge anyone to reproduce it with a scan of a similar document, like a cancelled check, if they can. (and post the setting/methodology with it).


18 posted on 09/12/2012 7:42:21 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

The article is just a rehash of the erroneous PDF layer argument, this time from Israel. You get similar effects when you scan random documents and prepare PDFs from them using software commonly distributed with or used in conjunction with office scanners. These PDF artifacts are merely the result of using such software and are not evidence of forgery.

If the document is a forgery, the fabrication needed to have taken place in 1961, long before digital imaging technology, PDFs, Photoshop, etc., existed. Thus, making a case for forgery based on digital technology is total nonsense.

How do we know the document is genuine? The State of Hawaii has officially verified that the White House document matches what Hawaii has on file:

Of course, it could still be a forgery, but that would be a whole 'nother level of conspiracy (LOL!), since it would require the involvement of officials of the government of Hawaii, up to and including a former Republican governor and current Senate candidate.

19 posted on 09/12/2012 8:29:55 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

if you can duplicate the “features” in the WHLFCOLB.pdf with a scan, you would be the first. (it just can’t happen.)

Scan a cancelled check - and show us the layers, grouping of content in layers, layer bit characteristics, absence of color abberations in a color scan, pixelation characteristics, some portions of text in dark green - some black, kerning, character misalignment from typewriter characteristics.

Please inform us of your process and scanner setting when you produce your results, so we could duplicate your process.


20 posted on 09/12/2012 10:23:20 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: cynwoody

The *Verification of Birth* is missing a “.” at the end of item 2.

It’s an improper statement.

Technically and legally the document is invalid.


21 posted on 09/12/2012 10:46:11 AM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: ILS21R; cynwoody

You’re saying a court would reject that document out of hand because one of the clauses is missing a period?


22 posted on 09/12/2012 10:51:52 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Triple
Last year, John Woodman, a computer professional and registered Republican, wrote a book, Is Barack Obama's Birth Certificate a Fraud?, examining the evidence for forgery. He concluded that the widely cited effects were not evidence of fraud, but merely a typical result of using off-the-shelf scanning software to produce a PDF.

I downloaded the White House document and viewed it in Foxit Reader, as suggested in the article. I noticed that the 1 in the serial number seemed to pop into the image slightly late (I was using Remote Desktop into a Windows box, exaggerating any display delays). I see similar effects when I examine PDFs of documents I myself scanned. It's no big deal — it's just how the software works.

But the real point is, we don't have to rely on document analysis to refute or confirm the document. We now have Dr. Onaka's official authentication. It might not be good enough for the birthers, but it will stand up just fine in court.

23 posted on 09/12/2012 10:59:29 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ILS21R
Technically and legally the document is invalid.

Tell it to the judge.

24 posted on 09/12/2012 11:02:56 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Natufian
You’re saying a court would reject that document out of hand because one of the clauses is missing a period?

Old lawyer saying: De minimis non curat lex.

25 posted on 09/12/2012 11:05:45 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
John Woodman was asked to make a video demonstrating steps to create a document scan that will have multiple layers of which:
One layer contains only a date and nothing else
One layer contains only a signature and nothing else.

His response was that he had no time for doing it. Yet he had time to troll Dr. Con's web site.

In addition to two layers mentioned above, Obama’s birth certificate pdf file contains another anomaly: one layer contains only security background and nothing else.

Can you provide steps to replicate creation of a document having these three characteristics?

26 posted on 09/12/2012 11:14:31 AM PDT by nosf40
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To: cynwoody

I win.


27 posted on 09/12/2012 11:22:40 AM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: Natufian
"You’re saying a court would reject that document out of hand because one of the clauses is missing a period?"

Yes.

28 posted on 09/12/2012 11:27:46 AM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: cynwoody

I downloaded Obama’s birth certificate also.

It’s a forgery.

You would need to have manure for brains not to realize it.

Oh... and this John Woodman? ... LOL

The Faux Claims of John Woodman Regarding the “Natural Born Citizen” Clause

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2867724/posts

Computer whiz...

Constitutional legal expert..

And master over the simple-minded. rotflmao


29 posted on 09/12/2012 11:45:06 AM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: ILS21R

Then you’d be mistaken.


30 posted on 09/12/2012 11:47:58 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: cynwoody

Thank f**k for Google (old I.T. saying).


31 posted on 09/12/2012 11:50:06 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian
"Then you’d be mistaken."

Your opinion and two bucks will buy me a cup of coffee.

32 posted on 09/12/2012 11:59:48 AM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: ILS21R

Well with such a high value set of opinions you’ll have no problem posting a link showing our court system declaring legal documents to be invalid if they lack a period, right?


33 posted on 09/12/2012 12:05:28 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: cynwoody

“But the real point is, we don’t have to rely on document analysis to refute or confirm the document. “ - CW

What are you going to believe your lying eyes (and the evidence) or a legalese statement from the HI bureaucrats?

Sounds like you put your trust in the word of government over the scientific process.

- not very rational of you


34 posted on 09/12/2012 12:06:32 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Natufian

“Well with such a high value set of opinions you’ll have no problem posting a link showing our court system declaring legal documents to be invalid if they lack a period, right?”

Aren’t your the one that said.. Thank f**k for Google (old I.T. saying).

So.... is you’re google broken or are you just lazy?


35 posted on 09/12/2012 12:13:07 PM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: ILS21R

your for you’re...


36 posted on 09/12/2012 12:14:02 PM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: Triple

These people are paid to go into conservative blogs to make Obama’s Birth Certificate problem go away.

But it hasn’t gone away. Which means they have failed miserably.

It’s still fun to play with them and make them look like idiots.


37 posted on 09/12/2012 12:18:42 PM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: ILS21R
You want me to look for something to support your outlandish claims? Sure, right after you give me a foot massage.

I know why you're reluctant to provide any backup for that post. We all do. After all, why spend time trying to find that which doesn't exist. There's still time to man up and admit the truth. No one will think that badly about you.

38 posted on 09/12/2012 12:23:35 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: ILS21R

It can be fun...

There are many papers showing how bad the forgery is. I perfer the Monckton paper the best...


39 posted on 09/12/2012 12:27:23 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple

I think Monckton did the best job exposing the fatal flaws in the WHLFCOLB.pdf.

(perfer...where did *that* come from?)


40 posted on 09/12/2012 12:32:24 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: ILS21R

BTW - Did you notice how they back down when challenged to scan a cancelled check in to a pdf, with whatever settings they want, and post the resulting file and methodology.

They don’t do it because they can’t produce anything like the WHLFCOLB - even though they claim that the WHLFCOLB.pdf is just a standard scan with some combination of optimization and OCR.


41 posted on 09/12/2012 12:37:39 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Natufian

“You want me to look for something to support your outlandish claims? Sure, right after you give me a foot massage.

I know why you’re reluctant to provide any backup for that post. We all do. After all, why spend time trying to find that which doesn’t exist. There’s still time to man up and admit the truth. No one will think that badly about you.”

I know the truth and the law.

And now I know you’re lazy.

I win.


42 posted on 09/12/2012 12:55:07 PM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: Triple

“BTW - Did you notice how they back down when challenged to scan a cancelled check in to a pdf, with whatever settings they want, and post the resulting file and methodology.”

Yes.

They are sad ignorant creatures void of logic and reason.


43 posted on 09/12/2012 12:57:27 PM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: ILS21R
I know the truth and the law.

Sure you do. Meanwhile, in the real world, some evidence to support claims usually helps one get taken seriously.

44 posted on 09/12/2012 1:04:03 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Yosemitest

Great info, however the last part with a Rush quote, well Rush was and remains one of the biggest conservative media whores I refered to, a long with Hannity, Levin, and yes, ALL of the rest of them


45 posted on 09/12/2012 3:52:04 PM PDT by stockpirate (Slaves to the collective! SCOTUS is just as corrupt as congress. IMPEACH ROBERTS!)
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To: Triple

obumpa


46 posted on 09/12/2012 4:51:34 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: cynwoody

Are you relying on half truths and shallow arguments because they represent the full extent of your capacity to comprehend? Or, is it because you care more about persuading people that you’re right than you do about getting to the truth by carefully delving into the strongest arguments of those who oppose your view.

If I were a person who cared primarily about rhetoric and sophistry, I too would say something like, “It’s been proven time and time again that scanned documents often have layers.” And then when someone started to pin me down about the details of this particular layer pattern, I would say, “Now, honestly the digital file doesn’t really matter at all because Hawaii has come right out and said that what is on the White House is the real thing.”

If you were a person deeply concerned about getting to the truth on this issue, wouldn’t you want to be wrestling through the best evidence on either side. Wouldn’t you want to concede (if for no other reason than to attest to your own intellectual honesty) that in truth no one has yet gone on record with a good explanation of how a document with the particular kind of layering (such as the presence of more than one single-bit layer) can be produced simply through normal scanning and conversion processes? Come on, I’ve confronted you about this once; sharpen your argument. “Scans produce layers,” just isn’t good enough anymore, and I’m going to be expecting better out of you!

Then onto your “Besides, those silly layers don’t matter anyway, given what the HDOH has said.” Yes, I too would take that approach here if all I cared about was persuading a bunch of the least discerning people that sometimes read these boards. But surely you have loftier goals than that?

So in light of that, I just know that you’re going to get that hand back down and bury that head of yours in your research, and you’re going to spend some real quality time deciding how it is that we can expect anything but evasive legalese and weasel words from government officials in Hawaii, given their track record thus far.

Again, just so we can have some peace of mind as we spend our valuable time rebutting and attempting to reason with you, help us to know that logic and reason are actually worth something to you. Please take some time to explain why we should not be concerned in the least by Governor Abercrombie’s definitive statement that “It’s actually written down in the archives” and Loretta Fuddy’s 8-weeks of verbiage negotiations and delays with Ken Bennett before finally, reluctantly releasing a “verifcation” that has substantially different wording than the next version of the verification to eventually arise from the HDOH’s shadowy situation room.

After you fill us in on how to add all that up as innocent and normal, take a moment clear up what Nagamine meant when she told Mike Zullo, “Yes, but you still have a valid driver’s license!” Don’t know what I’m talking about? Better get back to your studying. After all, it’s the truth you care about isn’t it? Oh and by the way, why has Hawaii decided that it would just be all too bad for them to release the birth certificate of long deceased Virginia Sunahara to her brother. Wasn’t it on the basis that it’s just to brittle to photocopy? So concerned were they about that brittleness that they paid real money to fight Duncan Sunahara in court! Now why was that all perfectly within reason again?

You see, if you’re going to get me to come around to the truths you’ve carefully distilled out of all this, you’ll have to get me past my childish notions that just maybe the Hawaii government has behaved as something less than a paragon of honesty, transparency, impartiality and forthrightness.

I think the last time I tried to help you along, I mentioned that I don’t have a lot of time for web forum conversations. Let me now add that if the best you can manage is to keep trying to lead us to the truth with fluff like this, I may just give up on you completely.

Now hit those books, and give me something to think about. I’ll do my best to humbly receive your instruction as soon as you start guiding me through the meatier challenges of this debate.

“Lot’s of scans make layers, and besides the boyscouts in the Hawaii government came right out and told us everything is okay.”

No more of that here, please. No thank you.


47 posted on 09/12/2012 7:37:29 PM PDT by ecinkc (ugh)
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To: ecinkc

Please do not hold your breath!


48 posted on 09/12/2012 7:55:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; KarlInOhio; nosf40; ILS21R; Natufian; Triple
Of course not. I just wanted to bring sharp focus on the fact that cynwoody is not trying to get to the bottom of this. For one reason or other, she is merely trying to keep others from considering that Obama may be hiding behind a forgery and suborning perjury.

For reference, here is my post that exposed (as I'm sure numerous others have done better than me) cynwoody on the layers issue. And for those who are curious, her brilliant response follows somewhere farther down the thread. You can see that she has no excuse to again spew this drivel of hers.

I really am able to appreciate and be challenged by the arguments of someone who completely disagrees with me on this issue--when I have a smidgen of evidence that he is both intelligent and genuinely interested in getting to the truth. I confront myself all the time with what I consider to be my opponents' best arguments, and find myself wondering if I'm enslaved my own bias or if I've missed something important. I've been wrong before, and I will be again. On certifigate, the conclusion I've reached thus far still just seems inevitable to me. Sometimes I go looking for a conscientious friend whom I can beckon to beat some sense into me on this, but alas I just can't seem to be "brought to my senses" by their valiant, but tragically deficient attempts.

But then, perhaps to my discredit, a deceptive propagandist like cynwoody can also sometimes provoke me to come out of my shell and say a "few" words.

In any case, thanks for that advice. I'll keep breathing, while cynwoody slips away to some other thread where she will keep trying to confuse people, hoping no one will be quick to call her out.
49 posted on 09/12/2012 9:17:07 PM PDT by ecinkc (ugh)
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you’ll have to get me past my childish notions that just maybe the Hawaii government has behaved as something less than a paragon of honesty, transparency, impartiality and forthrightness.

By all means, go for it! Blow that 51-year HDoH conspiracy wide open! Why, stand behind those PDF artifacts, how dare they!!

50 posted on 09/12/2012 9:59:27 PM PDT by cynwoody
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