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To: Triple

The article is just a rehash of the erroneous PDF layer argument, this time from Israel. You get similar effects when you scan random documents and prepare PDFs from them using software commonly distributed with or used in conjunction with office scanners. These PDF artifacts are merely the result of using such software and are not evidence of forgery.

If the document is a forgery, the fabrication needed to have taken place in 1961, long before digital imaging technology, PDFs, Photoshop, etc., existed. Thus, making a case for forgery based on digital technology is total nonsense.

How do we know the document is genuine? The State of Hawaii has officially verified that the White House document matches what Hawaii has on file:

Of course, it could still be a forgery, but that would be a whole 'nother level of conspiracy (LOL!), since it would require the involvement of officials of the government of Hawaii, up to and including a former Republican governor and current Senate candidate.

19 posted on 09/12/2012 8:29:55 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

if you can duplicate the “features” in the WHLFCOLB.pdf with a scan, you would be the first. (it just can’t happen.)

Scan a cancelled check - and show us the layers, grouping of content in layers, layer bit characteristics, absence of color abberations in a color scan, pixelation characteristics, some portions of text in dark green - some black, kerning, character misalignment from typewriter characteristics.

Please inform us of your process and scanner setting when you produce your results, so we could duplicate your process.


20 posted on 09/12/2012 10:23:20 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: cynwoody

The *Verification of Birth* is missing a “.” at the end of item 2.

It’s an improper statement.

Technically and legally the document is invalid.


21 posted on 09/12/2012 10:46:11 AM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: cynwoody

Are you relying on half truths and shallow arguments because they represent the full extent of your capacity to comprehend? Or, is it because you care more about persuading people that you’re right than you do about getting to the truth by carefully delving into the strongest arguments of those who oppose your view.

If I were a person who cared primarily about rhetoric and sophistry, I too would say something like, “It’s been proven time and time again that scanned documents often have layers.” And then when someone started to pin me down about the details of this particular layer pattern, I would say, “Now, honestly the digital file doesn’t really matter at all because Hawaii has come right out and said that what is on the White House is the real thing.”

If you were a person deeply concerned about getting to the truth on this issue, wouldn’t you want to be wrestling through the best evidence on either side. Wouldn’t you want to concede (if for no other reason than to attest to your own intellectual honesty) that in truth no one has yet gone on record with a good explanation of how a document with the particular kind of layering (such as the presence of more than one single-bit layer) can be produced simply through normal scanning and conversion processes? Come on, I’ve confronted you about this once; sharpen your argument. “Scans produce layers,” just isn’t good enough anymore, and I’m going to be expecting better out of you!

Then onto your “Besides, those silly layers don’t matter anyway, given what the HDOH has said.” Yes, I too would take that approach here if all I cared about was persuading a bunch of the least discerning people that sometimes read these boards. But surely you have loftier goals than that?

So in light of that, I just know that you’re going to get that hand back down and bury that head of yours in your research, and you’re going to spend some real quality time deciding how it is that we can expect anything but evasive legalese and weasel words from government officials in Hawaii, given their track record thus far.

Again, just so we can have some peace of mind as we spend our valuable time rebutting and attempting to reason with you, help us to know that logic and reason are actually worth something to you. Please take some time to explain why we should not be concerned in the least by Governor Abercrombie’s definitive statement that “It’s actually written down in the archives” and Loretta Fuddy’s 8-weeks of verbiage negotiations and delays with Ken Bennett before finally, reluctantly releasing a “verifcation” that has substantially different wording than the next version of the verification to eventually arise from the HDOH’s shadowy situation room.

After you fill us in on how to add all that up as innocent and normal, take a moment clear up what Nagamine meant when she told Mike Zullo, “Yes, but you still have a valid driver’s license!” Don’t know what I’m talking about? Better get back to your studying. After all, it’s the truth you care about isn’t it? Oh and by the way, why has Hawaii decided that it would just be all too bad for them to release the birth certificate of long deceased Virginia Sunahara to her brother. Wasn’t it on the basis that it’s just to brittle to photocopy? So concerned were they about that brittleness that they paid real money to fight Duncan Sunahara in court! Now why was that all perfectly within reason again?

You see, if you’re going to get me to come around to the truths you’ve carefully distilled out of all this, you’ll have to get me past my childish notions that just maybe the Hawaii government has behaved as something less than a paragon of honesty, transparency, impartiality and forthrightness.

I think the last time I tried to help you along, I mentioned that I don’t have a lot of time for web forum conversations. Let me now add that if the best you can manage is to keep trying to lead us to the truth with fluff like this, I may just give up on you completely.

Now hit those books, and give me something to think about. I’ll do my best to humbly receive your instruction as soon as you start guiding me through the meatier challenges of this debate.

“Lot’s of scans make layers, and besides the boyscouts in the Hawaii government came right out and told us everything is okay.”

No more of that here, please. No thank you.


47 posted on 09/12/2012 7:37:29 PM PDT by ecinkc (ugh)
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