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Berlin declares circumcision legal, but only if performed by a doctor not as a ritual
Times of Israel ^ | 9/5/12 | Staff

Posted on 09/05/2012 10:32:00 AM PDT by Nachum

One of Germany’s 16 states has declared circumcision legal, but only if performed by doctors — not, as required by Jewish law, by mohels. Berlin, Germany’s capital and itself a state, is the first to declare the practice legal following a Cologne court ruling in June that non-medical circumcisions on children amounted to a criminal offense, according to DPA, a German news wire. National legislation is pending to legalize circumcision. State Justice Minister Thomas Heilmann made the announcement Wednesday, saying he felt it necessary to allay fears in this “difficult transitional period,” the Associated Press reported.

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TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: berlin; circumcision; doctor; genitalmutilation; ritual; waronboys
Juden Raus!
1 posted on 09/05/2012 10:32:04 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

PLEASE Jewish people GET OUT OF KRAUTLAND there can be NOTHING good come by remaining in “Germany”! The Krauts STILL HATE your GUTS! Get to Isreal as fast as you can!


2 posted on 09/05/2012 10:35:08 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Nachum

How about body piercings and tattoo? Do these people have to be medically certified too?


3 posted on 09/05/2012 10:35:14 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Nachum
“difficult transitional period,”

Transition to what? Complete atheism?

4 posted on 09/05/2012 10:36:41 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: US Navy Vet
Calm down and read the article.

National legislation is pending to legalize circumcision.

In Germany, a court ruled that circumcision was child abuse under the very broad provisions of existing law. The law was originally intended to prevent children from being subjected to medically unnecessary operations (like plastic surgery) but is now being used as a weapon against circumcision.

The German parliament acknowledges that this court ruling means that the law needs to be changed in order to preserve religious freedom, and so they are readying a vote for a revision to the law.

5 posted on 09/05/2012 10:40:20 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Nachum

Most likely pushed through by Islam


6 posted on 09/05/2012 10:41:29 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Transition between the period in which this bizarre court ruling is the law of the land and the upcoming parliamentary vote on a law which guarantees the legality of religious circumcision.


7 posted on 09/05/2012 10:41:57 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Nachum

Actually, this really surprises me. Germany has been EXTREMELY anxious to live down Hitler and the Holocaust. I would expect them to be the last country in Europe to follow this path. Normally they bend over backward not to seem antisemitic—although they go along with the anti-semitic foreign policy of the other Euro countries. But usually from the back seat.

I’m also a bit curious what the Muzzies make of all this. Do they care who circumcizes their babies? I suppose a Muslim doctor could do it, but I don’t really know what their rules are.


8 posted on 09/05/2012 10:42:57 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Circumcision of minor children is obligatory in Islam as well as in Judaism. They oppose this court ruling as well.


9 posted on 09/05/2012 10:43:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; Nachum
“difficult transitional period,”

Transition to what? Complete atheism?

Eine finale Lösung. (A final solution.)

10 posted on 09/05/2012 10:43:31 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Nachum
16 states has declared circumcision legal, but only if performed by doctors...? I assume the uncle is out then?
11 posted on 09/05/2012 10:49:13 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Cicero
This was a court ruling brought on by a local prosecutor. A Muslim boy had severe bleeding following a ritual circumcision and the doctor who performed it was prosecuted in the Cologne court system.

The court ruled that a crime had been committed because the rite was a non-medically necessary surgery performed on a minor who was incapable of giving informed consent.

This has been received in Germany as an unwarranted encroachment on religious freedom and the German parliament is going to vote on a law to protect religious circumcision.

Concern over the anti-Semitic implications of this ruling are one of the main drivers for the proposed legislation.

12 posted on 09/05/2012 10:50:21 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: tarheelswamprat

That isn’t German. The word is “Endlösung.”


13 posted on 09/05/2012 10:51:36 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Nachum

I didn’t know what you were referring to with your Juden Raus! comment - found a link... Creepy. Sick... What’s with the Germans?


14 posted on 09/05/2012 11:05:33 AM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I talked to some German women on another forum.

Part of the German populace really is gearing up for a war...with Islam.

While they have some Turks, Germany never did let as many of the Muslim hoard in as the rest of Europe, perhaps by design.

If the EU can not be held together (a given in my view) resulting in power ceding to Germany's financial might then as things collapse the rest of Europe will be fighting a bigger internal mess with their unassimilated and antagonistic Mohammedans.

15 posted on 09/05/2012 11:19:51 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
You never bothered to learn that Islam also practices circumcision.
16 posted on 09/05/2012 11:21:20 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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BFL


17 posted on 09/05/2012 11:25:07 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: GOPJ
What’s with the Germans?

I guess they are done apologizing for Hitler and have moved on to just being themselves.

18 posted on 09/05/2012 11:47:19 AM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
Meanwhile genital piercings and other mutilations can still be done by people like THIS guy:


19 posted on 09/05/2012 11:48:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: Nachum

I think their biggest problem is the Moslims and they are trying to discourage them.


20 posted on 09/05/2012 11:52:09 AM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: wideawake

Thanks for the correction. I should have looked it up instead of trusting my memory... /g


21 posted on 09/05/2012 1:16:25 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Nachum

Came across this website http://salem-news.com/articles/august072012/german-circ-ban-rm.php last week while looking into ant-FGM legislation in the U.S.

I’m not promoting the message and I wouldn’t know where to start looking to verify the statements made about the techniques employed in ancient circumcision. Neither do I know enough about Mosaic Law to question the author’s position.

He makes a reasonable argument that anti-FGM legislation could be ruled unconstitutional but being obviously anti-circumcision it looks as if his point is the legislation is not inclusive enough.

Aside from the impact on American Judaism if the more inclusive law is made, another concern could be, especially with the growing islamic influence in the U.S., would be that if the States anti-FGM legislation is ruled against, an updated version would be delayed into oblivion. A big score for muslim maniacs.

Add in the expected National Health Care impact it looks like this issue isn’t such a small matter.


22 posted on 09/05/2012 2:44:00 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: MrEdd; Nachum
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A friend who speaks both German and Farsi (Iranian) was surprised at the number of root words both cultures have in common... Another friend - a German - shared that when leaning English she was surprised how many more words we had for ideas... it allowed her to think about things she hadn't thought about before...

Language is culturally defining.

23 posted on 09/06/2012 8:15:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T. Jefferson)
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