Posted on 08/13/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by blam
When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
August 13, 2012
By Jim Karger
“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.
Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.
According to Public Intelligence:
“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”
And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice… for the moment.
Most of us on this thread that it would be worthwhile to take notes on are already tagged for being potentially uncooperative. If you think you're anonymous on this site, you've not been paying a lot of attention to modern technology and how easy it is for a determined adversary to snoop the nets with you have devices like 'carnivore' at MAE-East and MAE-West, amongst other places.
I've found Unix nerds tend to be shooters. It's an interesting data point. I'm not entirely sure why it is so.
Yes, but there weren't enough of them. So the orders also went out to Waffen-SS battalions that were a little less inclined to engage in summary executions.
Conspiracy, a movie about the Wansee Conference illustrates the point. An SS-Major named Rudolf Lange complains about his men having to participate in mass shootings in Riga. (Actually Lange's battalion stood by while Latvian civilians did the dirty work. But it impacted his men negatively and he wanted to make that point to the Boss, Reinhard Heydrich.)
My point is that there is always a shortage of savages & mentally-ill to fill the "Einsatzgruppen". Soldiers will not do this work. If some do, it's incredibly hard to keep them at it.
Incidentally this is one of the reasons that the Nazi's turned to industrial methods that were the hallmark of the "Final Solution". There needed to be some 'distance' involved between the perpetrators and the victims.
That is an interesting notion. Wonder why? I definitely fit that classification.
What an excellent image and example! Now that is an outreach program!
No, it was not luck. It was hard work, organizing, and political payback. They lost both the House and the Senate. They thought it was impossible to lose the House, but it happened, and the MSM has been trading credibility for temporary power ever since.
They have lost on the gun control issue, and they are losing on the whole "big government is your friend" issue.
We simply have to keep pushing back and win this next election.
but blue hats make them a great target.
“and they are losing on the whole “big government is your friend” issue.”
Not entirely. They are winning on the “your check comes from the government, so you had better vote Democrat for more checks” issue. I wouldn’t read much into this election other than people ALWAYS vote with their wallet. When they are doing well they vote the guy back in, and when they are unemployed they vote the bastard out. It has always been that way. Ideology plays little importance. We are lucky in this election that the economy is doing poorly enough that millions of people want to vote the bastard out. If the economy was doing great no one would be voting out Obama. Hell, they even voted Bill Clinton back in and would have done so a third time if not for term limits.
No doubt the people are upset and many are looking at ideological solutions to the economic pain, but they’ll forget all about those ideals once Romney is in and the economy is doing better.
>> If my argument was unclear to anyone, I recommend reading it again, more slowly.
I have read this entire thread; I find it quite interesting.
Your posts aren’t unclear. However your posts don’t constitute an argument, per se. They’re just a collection of hysterical, hypothetical posturing based on emotion rather than any sort of inside knowledge or analysis-of-known-fact.
If it was tried with our military, you would find huge numbers going AWOL with their weapons...And that would include many officiers...
Lost them in a boating accident. It was sad.
Certainly does.
Especially when you contemplate that it was spoken by someone who really, really understood the true significance of “...the most brutal facts of your current reality”.
>> I expect cutdown .22s and shotguns will be the real killers once the urban cesspools downward spiral really pick up speed, and that’ll include Direct Action killings.
I expect you’re right. Availability of ammunition will be a huge factor. It’s going to be damn difficult to track the flow of the river of .22LR and cheap target shot. They’ll kill just fine under the right conditions.
There is some luck involved, but the economic ideas of this administration have a lot to do with the economic situation. The left only wins on economic terms if it is able to control the debate and convince enough of the lie that they do better for the country economically.
They could do it in 1932, because there was no real experience with progressivism/socialism. They could continue in the 1960's because they controlled the MSM and technological advances masked a lot of the pain they were inflicting.
It has become a lot harder for them to lie and get away with it. Economic policies have consequences in the real world. In the end, that is what brought down the old Soviet Union, and is what is bringing down the European Union now.
When it’s time to bury your guns, it is time to use them.
No, I will not hand them over.
A wild card maybe they didn’t figure into their meta-equations might be the number of old VN era vets who might say, “I didn’t get sent to Vietnam to fight Communism, to see it take over America, in an inside job.”
Those old bastards would look just as Respectable Establishment as hell when they walked up to a StaSi bureaucrat/Party Aparatchik, with a grin on their faces.
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