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Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes was seeing psychiatrist at university before massacre
Washington Post ^ | July 27, 2012 | Carol D. Leonnig and Brady Dennis

Posted on 07/27/2012 1:06:39 PM PDT by Zakeet

The shooting suspect in the Colorado theater rampage was seeing a university psychiatrist specializing in schizophrenia in the weeks before the July 20 attack, according to court records released Friday.

James Holmes was seeing Lynne Fenton, the director of student mental health services at the University of Colorado and a medical school professor. Holmes was a first-year graduate student in a neuroscience Ph.D. program.

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Fenton, medical director of the counseling facility, has written numerous papers and launched research in the area of schizophrenia. She did not respond to calls to her home and office.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: auroraco; colorado; cu; holmes; jamesholmes; lynnefenton; lynnfenton; massacre; mentalillness; psychiatry; ssris
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Lynne Fenton, MD ... what did she know and when did she know it ... things just got a lot more interesting at the medical school

1 posted on 07/27/2012 1:06:43 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Give Dr. Fenton an F. If he showed up with his bushy orange hair, give her an F-.


2 posted on 07/27/2012 1:09:09 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Zakeet

Lawyer Up Lady!! ...you’re gonna need a good one!


3 posted on 07/27/2012 1:09:27 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Zakeet

Before we rush to crucify Dr. Fenton (and I am no fan of shrinks), we should find out what kind of legal roadblocks would have been in the way of her notifying authorities of what had come out of her sessions with Holmes.


4 posted on 07/27/2012 1:12:40 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Zakeet

Probably was taking the medication Prozac


5 posted on 07/27/2012 1:14:39 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Zakeet

I've yet to witness an exorcism; I've yet to even see the attempt made. But I would be fascinated to see what a little time with a Bible and a man of God could accomplish with Holmes.


6 posted on 07/27/2012 1:15:43 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Zakeet

What med’s did she have him on?


7 posted on 07/27/2012 1:16:09 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Zakeet

Interesting:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/07/25/packaged-warning-psychiatrist-protocol-when-receiving-threats-from-patients/

Psychiatrists who knowingly do not notify authorities when receiving this kind of information are subject to civil suits as well as disciplinary action from licensing authorities, Ablow said.

If a person is named in a patient’s threat, psychiatrists are required to go one step further. In a Supreme Court of California case known as the Tarasoff case, a patient had confided with a psychiatrist that he had intentions of killing a girl he had been stalking. While the psychiatrist contacted the police about detaining his patient, he did not notify the woman herself, and she was later stabbed and killed by the patient.

The Tarasoff case ruling set a precedent that mental health professionals would be required to notify people who had been specifically named by their patients as targets for harm.

“If it’s a named victim, that person has to be alerted,” Ablow said. “If James Holmes had said these three people by name are intended, even if [his psychiatrist] did tell police, [they] still have to alert the people named and tell them this person has said he intends to take your life.”

“So the first question: Was this his psychiatrist?” Ablow added. “If it was… if he thought this would constitute a significant threat, he would have been required to put Holmes in a locked psychiatric unit even if it required police intervention.”

However, First noted that it can sometimes be difficult to determine whether or not something a patient says in confidence is a significant danger or if it’s just expressing thoughts that they can’t say to anyone else.


8 posted on 07/27/2012 1:16:47 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Zakeet

As a university professor, the odds are that Lynne Fenton is a Democrat and 0-supporter. She may even support 0-care. If this is true, we can play the blame game too.


9 posted on 07/27/2012 1:16:47 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Zakeet

Based upon “studies” they say the higher your education the more likely you are to be a liberal....ergo, the shooter was a liberal since he was a PhD student.


10 posted on 07/27/2012 1:17:08 PM PDT by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: dirtboy

She would have to have be aware a crime was going to be committed. Just because he was seeing her doesn’t mean he told her what he was planning. It does further prove the profession is junk science that does more harm than good, but I agree, wait for the facts to emerge before jumping the gun on crusifiction


11 posted on 07/27/2012 1:17:08 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Zakeet
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12 posted on 07/27/2012 1:18:40 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Zakeet

Dr. Fenton, if this man was deeply disturbed and killed all those people, how do you FEEL about that?


13 posted on 07/27/2012 1:18:50 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Racism is not dead...it is on life support - kept alive by politicians..." - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Zakeet

She has kind of a crazy smile herself. My wild guess is she was away on vacation when her patient went berserk. He felt abandoned and this pushed him over the edge


14 posted on 07/27/2012 1:20:29 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Zakeet

Ruh Roh!


15 posted on 07/27/2012 1:22:07 PM PDT by matthew fuller (I will be voting for the real American for President.)
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To: Zakeet
When the shooting first occurred, a business acquaintance was asking me (politely) about the usual gun control issues that usually arise after an incident of this sort. I answered all his questions (politely) and then mentioned to him that I would not be surprised to discover that the shooter was being treated for mental health issues and possibly medicated for same.
IIRC, quite of few of the perpetrators of these mass shootings in recent years had similar histories which strangely never get mentioned in the MSM.
16 posted on 07/27/2012 1:23:44 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: so_real
I've yet to witness an exorcism; I've yet to even see the attempt made. But I would be fascinated to see what a little time with a Bible and a man of God could accomplish with Holmes.

more than years and millions of dollars with shrink.

17 posted on 07/27/2012 1:23:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Zakeet
Seems like every college is in the health care business...

CU-Boulder has a policy requiring all students have a health insurance plan during their time at CU. You must select or waive the university insurance by September 5, 2012 or you will be automatically enrolled in the Student Gold Health Insurance Plan and billed $1,363 for the fall semester.

Ahh, yes, the scam continues...

18 posted on 07/27/2012 1:23:51 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That would look better with the Obama symbol instead of a D.


19 posted on 07/27/2012 1:24:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: dirtboy
My son at one point of his career worked as a social worker with the homeless mentally ill. Twice the police notified him he was a “named Person” and to get out of town until the threat was in custody.

Even though laws are in place nothing can keep them in an institution for very long until after they've committed a major crime Usually they are turned out on the steets as homeless. ....

20 posted on 07/27/2012 1:29:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Zakeet

Psychiatry is mostly a cult, pretending to be a science.

If they ever “succeed” at whatever they do, its only when their common sense somehow overcomes their psychiatric training.


21 posted on 07/27/2012 1:31:09 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: fso301
Everybody is different, and you never know how anyone is going to react to a specific medication. Millions of people are on meds for psychiatric diagnoses, but very very few become mass murderers because of them...similar to millions of people having legal firearms (me included), yet very very few of us become mass murderers like this a-hole.

The mind is complex...could she have put him on a med that contributed to his behavior? Yep...but could she have known? Nope...

22 posted on 07/27/2012 1:35:39 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Zakeet

Dizzy dame.


23 posted on 07/27/2012 1:37:31 PM PDT by miserare
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To: Zakeet

That does it! We’ve got to outlaw psychiatrists. Or, universities. Or, both.


24 posted on 07/27/2012 1:45:24 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: rovenstinez
Probably was taking the medication Prozac

Or any other SSRI

25 posted on 07/27/2012 1:47:50 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Pharmboy
The mind is complex.

Very true and when prescription meds interact with non-prescription pharmaceuticals, you never know what the outcome will be.

26 posted on 07/27/2012 1:52:08 PM PDT by fso301
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To: dirtboy

I agree. You can string up the head of chik-fil-a, but it’s almost legally impossible to commit a violent mentally ill person until he has already committed the crime.

This came out of Langian psych, which said that only the mad were the truly sane ...because everybody else had been driven crazy by capitalism.


27 posted on 07/27/2012 1:53:07 PM PDT by livius
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To: PGR88
Psychiatry is mostly a cult, pretending to be a science.

In the US, Psychiatrists are medical doctors. They take the same courses in Med School as any other doctor. I don't think they're pretending to be anything but physicians who are trying to help sick people.

28 posted on 07/27/2012 1:56:41 PM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Zakeet

I hate to see her tarred and feathered before anything is known about what he said to her.
I had made friends with a Russian immigrant who was basically treated like a slave for 50 years before coming to the US. After about a year of socializing with her, she called me at work while she was having some kind of psychotic break. I cajoled and manipulated to get her to see a doctor. If this prof’s name was in the phone book I would have taken my friend there. Just what are we to do when people are mentally ill? I was GLAD I found a physician who understood. But even he didn’t tell her his suspicion that she was schizophrenic while she was in his office (too dangerous). The doc sent a letter to her home explaining her symptoms, detailing medication that successfully treats the illness, and encouraging her to see one of the psychiatrists he listed. She assumed ‘they’ (the people trying to kill her) ‘got to him’ and wouldn’t seek treatment.

Schizophrenics are tough to treat. What if that had been a family member? This form of mental illness exists and has to be faced somehow by someone.
If this prof psch is guilty of something, fine, charge her and exert the full force of the law. But someone has to treat schizophrenics and I am not aware of anything this woman did wrong. Can we wait to find out?

Schizophrenics are the most likely (among mentally ill) to have a violent confrontation with police. Heaven help us - what do we do with people who need treatment for this illness? Some are in locked facilities but there are many who aren’t and apparently the drugs used to treat can be very successful, allowing people to still have lives etc. And then there are those who won’t take medication or whose condition deteriorates (e.g., and then I get a freakish phone call at work)after being stable and ‘safe’ for long periods of time.
So far, with the limited info, this woman stands accused of being willing to treat patients for an illness she specializes in. If she broke the law - GET HER. But if she’s just willing to treat the ill, I don’t see the reason for the vitriole. Med physicians are the first to admit that they don’t have the command of the psych meds that psych’s have.


29 posted on 07/27/2012 1:57:21 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: fso301
True that...or when the meds interact with specific genomes, that can also lead to bad outcomes.

What might have been the case here is that Dr Fenton actually received the package from Holmes, opened it, but did not act on its bizarre contents. Remember: it was only the next day when the reports that the package was lying in a corner of the mail room, unopened. I believed that then, but now??

30 posted on 07/27/2012 1:58:34 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Zakeet

Many of the comments on this post are grossly ahead of the facts. There is no information on: how long James Holmes “was seeing” the psychiatrist; whether he revealed anything threatening to her; what, if any, meds or treatment he was prescribed; whether he actually followed any advice, etc.

I rather doubt that the ultra-shy Holmes, in only a few weeks, opened up his whole house of horrors to a stranger. Those who seek psychiatric help generally have mental problems to begin with — the doctor doesn’t create them. Psychiatric problems are difficult to evaluate and treat, and some psychotropic meds take weeks or months to start working, often requiring adjustments to dosage, trying different ones, etc.

Let’s not play into the Liberals favorite game: holding SOMEONE ELSE responsible for the perpetrator’s actions.


31 posted on 07/27/2012 2:00:43 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Zakeet
I think we should all take a page from the Marines and deny a gun to anybody who ever went to a psychiatrist with brain problems who was put on medication.

You think you might be crazy? Get treatment. No gun for you.

I think our citizen militia can do just fine without those on anti psychotic meds who think they need to lay down and talk about their problems. We can give them guns AFTER the revolution starts.

No offense to those responsible gun owners who do take meds or talk to a shrink, but sheesh. Crazy and guns don't mix well.

32 posted on 07/27/2012 2:03:17 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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Sorry but this guy was stockpiling MONTHS in advance of the shooting. I think he's smarter than the system and he was setting it up to gain an insanity plea as he was planning on making news.

The line between crazy and genius is a thin one.

33 posted on 07/27/2012 2:05:46 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: dirtboy; Zakeet

RUSH TO JUDGMENT - A public pastime.


34 posted on 07/27/2012 2:09:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: so_real
But I would be fascinated to see what a little time with a Bible and a man of God could accomplish with Holmes.

Kind of depends on whether Holmes is faking, or really crazy. IMHO, it is some of both.

35 posted on 07/27/2012 2:12:12 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: dennisw
My wild guess is she was away on vacation when her patient went berserk.

There were stories that his 'girlfriend' had dumped him.

Maybe he had a 'thing' for his psychiatrist, and your 'wild guess' falls in line.

He was being thrown out of his apartment, he had no job, and his 'girlfriend' psychiatrist 'dumps' him (let's him know she's not interested) and then goes on vacation.

36 posted on 07/27/2012 2:17:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Ramcat
I don't think they're pretending to be anything but physicians who are trying to help sick people.

Yes, but as you point out, they are still pretending.

37 posted on 07/27/2012 2:21:11 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Zakeet

And I was thinking he was a loser who couldn’t get a girlfriend. Guess I was wrong.


38 posted on 07/27/2012 2:21:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Literals will believe anything.)
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To: PGR88
I don't think they're pretending to be anything but physicians who are trying to help sick people. Yes, but as you point out, they are still pretending.

So clever of you to pick up on my poorly written sentence. I caught it too late and there is no edit feature. You know perfectly well what I meant, but you're just so smart.

My prayer is that neither you nor any member of your family ever need the service of a psychiatrist.

Sadly, there are many who do.

39 posted on 07/27/2012 2:33:30 PM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: the invisib1e hand

more than years and millions of dollars with shrink

Agree completely!


40 posted on 07/27/2012 2:37:46 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Chewbarkah

Schizophrenics have manic episodes of paranoia.

If it makes him feel any better, he has a reason to be paranoid now. There’s just 300 million people who want him dead.


41 posted on 07/27/2012 2:42:47 PM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: Zakeet
Psychiatrist Fenton, medical director of the counseling facility, has written numerous papers and launched research in the area of schizophrenia.

Boy, if Holmes was paying for this treatment, he got ripped off.

She did not respond to calls to her home and office

No doubt. ..

Bet the university was paying her 100k per year....

42 posted on 07/27/2012 2:43:15 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Zakeet
Psychiatrist Fenton, medical director of the counseling facility, has written numerous papers and launched research in the area of schizophrenia.

This would be like taking your vehicle to a mechanic, and having all your wheels fall off on the way home...

Oh yeah!

Looking at her pic, she's got that "we are the world" academia Pollyanna look going on.

43 posted on 07/27/2012 2:47:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: jrestrepo

Right.

He claimed to be “in the middle” which at U of Col means somewhere between Trotsky and Lenin.


44 posted on 07/27/2012 2:52:08 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Zakeet

I’m a shrink, and have dealt with pretty rough crowds most of my career. For 25 years, I have seen several hundred new patients every year who want to do nothing more than kill themselves or someone else. If any of them ever do, my a$$ could be grass professionally.

To top it off, the law ties my hands about what I can and can’t do, and to top it off even further, law dictates - unlike LEOs or ANY other profession - that it is MY responsibility (sitting in my office) to protect all the people involved.

Anyone who hasn’t walked in the shoes of this doctor, and who doesn’t lay their careers on the line repeatedly, trying to treat dangerous illnesses with less than perfect but most often life-saving medicines, can go pound sand.


45 posted on 07/27/2012 2:54:00 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Ramcat

sorry if I offend - but its what I believe, based on interactions with the more a few psychiatrists I know and have met.

I would consult a medical doctor, and I would consult a priest. both professions have existed since the beginning of time. Psychiatry? Still a work in progress.

I also wonder how the profession ever carved out for itself the concept that there are people that ONLY psychiatrists can help??


46 posted on 07/27/2012 2:55:54 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: dagogo redux
I’m a shrink, For 25 years, I have seen several hundred new patients every year who want to do nothing more than kill themselves or someone else. If any of them ever do, my a$$ could be grass professionally.

Since you've been doing this 25 years, I would imagine you've treated approximately 5,000 patients. So out of thousands of mental patients, none have killed themselves?

47 posted on 07/27/2012 3:03:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Zakeet
Schiz is a disease that effects all functions of the mind including the ability to reason effectively. He would not have been able to plan such an extensive project and carry out the particulars if his mind was so disconected from the moral and other consequences of his project's success.

All this fiend had were some pathological personality characteristics, which could not cloud his grasp of right and wrong sufficiently to know what he was doing was the ultimate of evils. His internship at Salk showed he wasn't really up to par for the PhD program he eventually enrolled in. That means he was not judged by Salk's Johnson to be capable of independent original research. Graduating from UC Riverside post internship, showed he had the ability to copy and make one of the comic book scenarios of evil he enjoyed come to life.

He's basically just a spoiled kid whose world view and outlook collapsed and he decided to commit suicide by creating and playing a real life evil 'toon where his pain was spread as much as he could. Contacting this psychiatrist is just part of the game he set up and forced folks to play.

48 posted on 07/27/2012 3:06:33 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: dragnet2

Oh man she was an M.D. and a psychiatrist with (apparently) a considerable research and publishing history.

I don’t think they could touch her for under $250K.


49 posted on 07/27/2012 3:08:11 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey
I don’t think they could touch her for under $250K.

You're probably correct, the University of Colorado was probably paying her 250k per year.

Isn't the university a state government run school?

50 posted on 07/27/2012 3:12:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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