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Romney 'Looking Forward to the Bust of Winston Churchill Being in the Oval Office Again'
weekly standard ^ | 7/26 | daniel harper

Posted on 07/26/2012 1:01:51 PM PDT by RummyChick

At an event in London, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said, "I'm looking forward to the bust of Winston Churchill being in the Oval Office again."

Mitt Romney at London fundraiser: "I'm looking forward to the bust of Winston Churchill being in the Oval Office again." #watersedge?

— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) July 26, 2012

President Obama famously sent Churchill's bust back to Britain soon after coming into office. As the Telegraph reported then:

A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back.

The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure.

But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: churchill; foreignmoney; fundraiser; romney; romney2012
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1 posted on 07/26/2012 1:02:02 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Good for Romney.


"The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong
to some man as his absolute property - either as a child,
a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery
until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

[Winston Churchill, 1899, "The River War"]




"Bust of Churchill Returned by Obama
"After the September 11th attacks our British allies loaned President George Bush
a bust of one of the greatest Britons the world has ever known, Sir Winston Churchill.
It was a gesture to show their support for the United States in one of its darkest hours.
The bust sat prominently in the Oval Office for the balance of President Bush’s tenure there,
and once President Obama took office, the British offered him the opportunity to keep it for the length of his term.
His response was cold and most likely sent tremors through the British diplomatic community."
....
"Diplomatically this is a faux pax that only an unseasoned politician could make.
The British have stood by our side as strong allies for decades and we need to maintain that relationship,
especially in a world that is becoming increasingly dangerous (See Is Nuclear Weakness on the Horizon)
If he did not want to look at it in the oval office he could have displayed it elsewhere in the White House
and not slapped the British in the face in such a blatant disregard of political etiquette."


" I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."
Winston Churchill


"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill

2 posted on 07/26/2012 1:04:57 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: RummyChick
But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."

A self-agrandizing, pompous [ala Benito Mussolini] affirmative-action ass.

3 posted on 07/26/2012 1:07:32 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: RummyChick

A bust of a true leader replacing a bust p-resident..outstanding.


4 posted on 07/26/2012 1:09:40 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Diogenesis

No surprise. Though few seem to remember it, Churchill was the father of socialized medicine in Great Britain. And, of course, Romney kicked open the door in the United States.


5 posted on 07/26/2012 1:10:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: RummyChick
"I'm looking forward to the bust of Winston Churchill being in the Oval Office again."

Don't know that it will happen.

6 posted on 07/26/2012 1:11:31 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Gaffer

I recall being aghast at this early O-bot gaffe, then two weeks later he gave the Queen an ipod to only outdo himself. Please, please, please send this un-gentleman to the dustbin of history. Soon.


7 posted on 07/26/2012 1:12:26 PM PDT by major-pelham
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To: RummyChick

Poor Romney has missed it so much, heh


8 posted on 07/26/2012 1:13:16 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: major-pelham

Don’t forget he gave Brown some incompatible DVDs
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9355453/Barack_Obamas_gift_for_the_Queen_an_iPod_your_Majesty/


9 posted on 07/26/2012 1:14:12 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Diogenesis
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." -- Winston Churchill

It's strange to juxtapose that great, and true, quote from Churchill with this one from 1942:

"The discoveries of healing science must be the inheritance of all . . . . Disease must be attacked whether it occurs in the poorest or the richest man or woman, simply on the ground that it is the enemy . . . . Our policy is to create a national health service, in order to secure that everybody in the country, irrespective of means, age, sex, or occupation, shall have equal Opportunities to benefit from the best and most up-to-date medical and allied services available."

10 posted on 07/26/2012 1:14:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Stated, but unproven.
Let us TEST the hypothesis, FRiend.

Behold the Happiest Moment in Mr. RomneyCARE's life
installing Statism and DEATH PANELS.

When did Churchill putatively do this?


Did he look as happy?



11 posted on 07/26/2012 1:15:20 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: major-pelham

I recall this too. But as I recall it was something like a collection of his frickin speeches on a DVD....trouble is that the idiots that surround him they didn’t realize the difference between ITU Zone 1 and Zone 2 DVDs....IOW, the Queen couldn’t even watch the DVD unless she had a US player....what a freaking idiot.


12 posted on 07/26/2012 1:15:46 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: YHAOS

yeah, with stories like this...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mr-leader-did-mitt-romney-forget-ed-milibands-name-7978925.html


13 posted on 07/26/2012 1:17:05 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Diogenesis

No doubt about it, in most respects Romney is much more like Chamberlain than he is like Churchill.


14 posted on 07/26/2012 1:18:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: RummyChick

I’m looking forward to mass-produced busts of the Obamadork small enougn to be placed at the bottom of my toilet and distributed at a urinal near us all.

He can be closer to his friends.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 1:24:40 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: RummyChick; All

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16 posted on 07/26/2012 1:26:50 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Clearly, Chamberlain would not likely have a bust of Churchill... but he might very well have a bust of Romney at 10 Downing St.


17 posted on 07/26/2012 1:29:48 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: RummyChick

“Winston is Back!”

“And so he bloody well is!”


18 posted on 07/26/2012 1:32:04 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Diogenesis

What’s your point fool, posting these pics. We’re stuck with Romney, love him or hate him. You want Obama to get re-elected for 4 more years? You want to send aid and comfort to the enemy. All you idiots bashing Romney, if we don’t get behind the Romney bandwagon, this country is done for.


19 posted on 07/26/2012 1:32:29 PM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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To: RummyChick

I have to give Romney credit, he appears to know how to get Obummer’s goat.

Now if Romney would pledge to end the voting rights act and EEOC, we could really see Zero being led away in a strait jacket. (I’m not holding my breath.)


20 posted on 07/26/2012 1:34:32 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: EternalVigilance
The National Health Service in England was created by the National Health Service Act of 1946. Churchill was voted out of office in 1945, just weeks after VE Day.

He did not regain the Prime Minister's Office again until 1951.

Churchill did push through some temporary measures to deal with health care during the war, but it was Attlee's Administration which made them permanent and turned them into socialized medicine with the NHS.

21 posted on 07/26/2012 1:34:55 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman; EternalVigilance

However, it was the Beveridge Report, commissioned in 1941 by the Labour Minister Without Portfolio Arthur Greenwood, which set the stage for the NHS in 1946. Churchill did not act on the report during the war.

It should be remembered that Churchill did not head a Conservative government during World War II. He headed a national coalition government which was succeeded by Clement Attlee in 1945.


22 posted on 07/26/2012 1:44:31 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Da Coyote
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23 posted on 07/26/2012 1:45:12 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: EternalVigilance
Though few seem to remember it, Churchill was the father of socialized medicine in Great Britain.

The National Health Service was fully implemented in the UK in 1948. The Conservatives had been out of power for three years then.

It was actually Health Minister Aneurin Bevan who was it's architect.

24 posted on 07/26/2012 1:46:37 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: EternalVigilance
No doubt about it, in most respects Romney is much more like Chamberlain than he is like Churchill.

That's about right. Still, even Chamberlain is a huge step up from what we have today. Obama is by a huge margin the biggest threat to American freedom in our country's history.

25 posted on 07/26/2012 1:49:48 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Main Street

YOU are stuck with Mr. ROMNEYcare and his kool Death PANELS.

YOU are stuck with Mr. RomneyCARE’s love of TARP, TAXES,
Sharia, and liberal judges.

Solution? Get off you knees and be free.


26 posted on 07/26/2012 1:53:02 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Churchillspirit

“Father” was too strong. Mea culpa. But he did support it.


27 posted on 07/26/2012 1:54:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: RummyChick

That’s gonna leave a mark.


28 posted on 07/26/2012 1:56:44 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (O.M.G. Obummer Must Go)
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To: Diogenesis

Here you go bonehead: http://www.whitehouse.gov/

Wish your president a happy birthday and four more great years.


29 posted on 07/26/2012 1:58:16 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Main Street

I agree, what a FOOL! The more I read his posts the more I’m convinced this person is a RAT plant for the black muslim messiah! It blows my mind how stupid people can be...OBOZO is single handily destroying our nation and this person is harping on Rommey?!!! I DON’T CARE WHO our nominee is as long as we BOOT THE CHIT outta the black JOKER from the WH! PERIOD! GOD SPEED ROMMEY!!


30 posted on 07/26/2012 2:00:58 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: major-pelham
Not only did Obama give the Queen an iPod but it was an iPod loaded with Obama speeches which is about as narcissistic as you can get. He also gave Gordon Brown (Prime Minister at the time) a DVD collection of classic American movies that could not be played on British DVD players (different DVD format).

The guy is an absolute clown and way out of his depth. Had Bush made the above faux paux, the media would never let him live it down.

Returning the Churchill bust is yet another un-classy move. Churchill is one of the few people in history who can be claimed to have singlehandedly changed the course of world history.

Here's an excerpt from one of his best speeches (when he assumed the office of prime minister in May of 1940 after France had fallen):

...We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival...

31 posted on 07/26/2012 2:01:29 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: RummyChick
Obama dislikes America's allies and likes America's enemies. It is really that simple. That is why Chavez supports him, the Israelis can't stand him, and why he wants to give Putin “more flexibility”. And that is a VERY partial list of examples.
32 posted on 07/26/2012 2:03:10 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: tumblindice
If YOU support Mr. ROMNEYCARE, then you were behind
Obama becoming pRes_ _ent, and helped protect Obama
and his sick policies (like the endlessly meek, silent, Mr. RomneyCARE).

How about YOU taking some responsibility, RomneyBOT?

FLASHBACK:

The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++4 to 10 pts
in some polls, days prior to Election 2008.
So rather than helping the GOP, Romney and
TeamROMNEY and the RNME (Republican National Media Establishment)
decided …to attack Gov. Palin to throw Election2008.

Romney, and the Van der Sloot RNME RINOs for Obama in 2008

Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers…
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide…
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."


The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"I’m told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palin’s people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romney’s former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
… aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.


"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off ….hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"


/a

33 posted on 07/26/2012 2:07:00 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: RummyChick

And this thread is all downhill here from here.


34 posted on 07/26/2012 2:11:07 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: Diogenesis

So I take it you’re voting for Obama.


35 posted on 07/26/2012 2:35:45 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (If Obama was any more thin skinned, he'd have a receptacle end: Dennis Miller)
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To: EternalVigilance

Mea culpa = Oopsy! My bad!

I will crawl over broken glass to vote against Obama! Period.


36 posted on 07/26/2012 2:40:07 PM PDT by Twinkie (Obama; fundamentally turning America into Sodom & Gomorrah one EO at a time.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Churchill may have been a great man, but he was also a politician. The pressure for an NHS came largely from the Labour Party with power was shared in the national government during WWII.
You don’t get into high office without having a certain sense of pragmatism. Apart from having to make concessions to his Labour colleagues, he knew very well that the public mood at that time supported universal healthcare, and resisting it would have been political suicide in a post war world.
As it happened, even that wasn’t enough for Churchill, and he was voted out in 1945 by a public who didn’t generally share his Conservative convictions.


37 posted on 07/26/2012 2:54:19 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
As it happened, even that wasn’t enough for Churchill, and he was voted out in 1945 by a public who didn’t generally share his Conservative convictions.

They were also ready to shuck the British Empire, which Churchill steadfastly refused to do.

38 posted on 07/26/2012 2:55:40 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: EternalVigilance

Hey?

Dislike Mitt, but please don’t besmirch Churchill, socialized healthcare came in after he was out of power and was inspired by the Labour Party.


39 posted on 07/26/2012 2:57:10 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: RummyChick

Assuming the Brits are of a mood to return it...


40 posted on 07/26/2012 2:58:15 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Main Street
It's no use talking to this individual. You are wasting time.

With all the money FR is given annually, I can't believe we can't have a forum with an abuse button and embedded html code when every fly by nite web blog around has one.

41 posted on 07/26/2012 2:59:26 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

And by “abuse” I mean “Hide Use”...so see...an EDIT button would be great too. Most other forums I use have one of those too.


42 posted on 07/26/2012 3:00:54 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: dfwgator

Churchill was clinging on to a fading past on that one I’m afraid. If Churchill had had his way, The British Empire would have disintegrated violently, as the French one did. Britain was exhausted financially and psychologically from the strain of the war, and its colonial subjects where restive, and in many cases, experienced combat veterans.
If Atlee had not granted India its independence, Britain would have faced a bloody, expensive and ultimately humiliating defeat at the hands of a rebellious Indian population.
This might not have been the case if Churchill had not insisted in prosecuting a war which was not in Britain’s interests to fight, but there you go.


43 posted on 07/26/2012 3:14:41 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Focault's Pendulum

He’ll probably skip that office or vote 3rd party, believing that Electoral Votes don’t matter as long as you vote your conscience and principles.


44 posted on 07/26/2012 3:27:20 PM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
This might not have been the case if Churchill had not insisted in prosecuting a war which was not in Britain’s interests to fight, but there you go.

Which war would that be?

45 posted on 07/26/2012 3:48:17 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Regardless of what Great Britain did in the mid to late 40’s, they at least had the gonads then to fight, resist Hitler’s air force bombing London, and they were our allies. Our common language has kept us close until BHO alienated them plusn every ally,every friend, and; everyone who trusted our word. The Brits and every other foreign country knows Obama is a fake American, as their INTEL services answer to them-not our State Dep.


46 posted on 07/26/2012 6:38:25 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: UKrepublican; sinsofsolarempirefan; Twinkie; Pollster1; Churchillspirit; Colonel_Flagg; ...

CONSERVATIVE PARTY: 1945

Mr. Churchill’s Declaration of Policy to the Electors

*excerpt*

NATIONAL INSURANCE

National well-being is founded on good employment, good housing and good health. But there always remain those personal hazards of fortune, such as illness, accident or toss of a job, or industrial injury, which may leave the individual and his family unexpectedly in distress. In addition, old age, death and child-birth throw heavy burdens upon the family income.

One of our most important tasks will be to pass into law and bring into action as soon as we can a nation-wide and compulsory scheme of National Insurance based on the plan announced by the Government of all Parties in 1944.

In return for a single consolidated contribution there will be new and increased benefits, amongst which is to be an old age or retirement pension of 20/- for single people and 35/- for married couples. Family allowances are one part of the great scheme, and the arrangements made will ensure that men and women serving in the Forces and those disabled will benefit equally with other classes in the community.

The new Ministry of National Insurance has been set up to prepare, administer and control the whole of this great legislation. So massive and complex a task can only be discharged by a large and highly-trained staff, which has to be assembled and accommodated. The specialised experience of the Approved Societies will therefore be drawn upon, and their employees, especially those who have served at the front, must have due consideration.

The scheme will not justify itself to the public unless the service given to them in return for their contributions combines human understanding with efficiency. There must be no queuing up for sickness benefits by those who are entitled to them. The same standard of intimacy in personal relationships must be maintained as formerly.

HEALTH

The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them.

We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation; and to introduce legislation for this purpose in the new Parliament.

The success of the service will depend on the skill and initiative of doctors, dentists, nurses and other professional people, and in its designing and operation there will be full scope for all the guidance they can give. Wide play must be given to the preferences and enterprise of individuals. Nothing will be done to destroy the close personal relationship between doctor and patient, nor to restrict the patient’s free choice of doctor.

The whole service must be so designed that in each area its growth is helped and guided by the influence of a university. Through such a service the medical and allied professions will be enabled to serve the whole nation more effectively than they have yet been able to do. At the same time Medicine will be left free to develop along its own lines, and to achieve preventive as well as curative triumphs. Liberty is an essential condition of scientific progress.

The voluntary hospitals which have led the way in the development of hospital technique will remain free. They will play their part in the new service in friendly partnership with local authority hospitals.

Motherhood must be our special care. There must be a large increase of maternity beds and convalescent homes, and they must be provided in the right places. Mothers must be relieved of onerous duties which at such times so easily cause lasting injury to their health. The National Insurance Scheme will make financial provision for these needs. All proper arrangements, both voluntary and State-aided, must be made for the care of other young children in the family, in order that the energies of the male breadwinner or the kindness of neighbours and relations, which nevertheless must be the mainspring, should not be unduly burdened. Nursery schools and nurseries such as have grown up during the war should be encouraged. On the birth, the proper feeding and the healthy upbringing of a substantially increased number of children, depends the life of Britain and her enduring glory.

*excerpt*


47 posted on 07/26/2012 7:56:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not disputing any of that, of course. It’s well known that Churchill’s Conservative Party accepted the Beveridge Report before even the Labour Party did.

However, NHS didn’t come into existence until after Churchill left power. Whether it would have done so had he won the election of 1945 is a topic for conjecture.


48 posted on 07/26/2012 8:18:03 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Of course. Just introducing the facts of history to the discussion.


49 posted on 07/26/2012 8:36:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

While I probably went too far in calling him the “father” of socialized medicine in GB, he certainly dated the old gal.


50 posted on 07/26/2012 8:56:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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