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Lawyers Have Already Drafted 13,000 Pages of Regulations for New ObamaTax Law
thegatewaypundit.com ^ | July 5, 2012 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 07/05/2012 8:36:46 AM PDT by grundle

With the Supreme Court giving President Obama’s new health care law a green light, federal and state officials are turning to implementation of the law — a lengthy and massive undertaking still in its early stages, but already costing money and expanding the government.

The Health and Human Services Department “was given a billion dollars implementation money,” Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg of Montana said. “That money is gone already on additional bureaucrats and IT programs, computerization for the implementation.”

“Oh boy,” Stan Dorn of the Urban Institute said. “HHS has a huge amount of work to do and the states do, too. There will be new health insurance marketplaces in every state in the country, places you can go online, compare health plans.”

The IRS, Health and Human Services and many other agencies will now write thousands of pages of regulations — an effort well under way:

“There’s already 13,000 pages of regulations, and they’re not even done yet,” Rehberg said.

“It’s a delegation of extensive authority from Congress to the Department of Health and Human Services and a lot of boards and commissions and bureaus throughout the bureaucracy,” Matt Spalding of the Heritage Foundation said. “We counted about 180 or so.”

There has been much focus on the mandate that all Americans obtain health insurance, but analysts say that’s just a small part of the law — covering only a few pages out of the law’s 2700.

“The fact of the matter is the mandate is about two percent of the whole piece of the legislation,” Spalding said. “It’s a minor part.”

Much bigger than the mandate itself are the insurance exchanges that will administer $681 billion in subsidies over 10 years, which will require a lot of new federal workers at the IRS and health department.

“They are asking for several hundred new employees,” Dorn said. “You have rules you need to write and you need lawyers, so there are lots of things you need to do when you are standing up a new enterprise.”

For some, though, the bottom line is clear and troubling: The federal government is about to assume massive new powers.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2012; bhofascism; democrats; elections; govtabuse; lawyers; liberalfascism; obama; obamacare; obamacareregulations; regulations; socialism; socialisthealthcare; tax; tyranny; waiver; waivers
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To: Ex-Democrat Dean
issue an executive order ...

No. He could issue a one-year waver to all 50 states; then allow the machine to do its work to repeal. Of course, during that time, 'rats could take the waivers to court, just as R's can do now but have not, as being unlawful.

41 posted on 07/05/2012 10:33:06 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Psycho_Bunny

It’s all good news for airlines that serve countries where medical tourism flourishes, like Costa Rica.


42 posted on 07/05/2012 10:35:22 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Major Matt Mason
“Not just any lawyers, but far Left liberal hacks will be the ones writing these rules.”

Oh, but it gets better. Because after the lefty lawyers are done writing their thousands of regulations, it will take an army of commie bureaucrats to actually implement the regulations. And then another army of lawyers to find out what the regulations mean. And then, they'll discover that the first batch of regulations isn't quite enough - so there will be more. And of course, more bureaucrats to implement them and more lawyers to “interpret” them.

43 posted on 07/05/2012 10:47:31 AM PDT by mojito
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To: grundle

They’re going to run out of red tape.


44 posted on 07/05/2012 10:48:47 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: grundle

My daily wonderment is just how far will the American people let this go before they rise up?


Wouldn’t it be fun to help throw them away?


45 posted on 07/05/2012 11:08:37 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: muawiyah
The problem for this or any other government is that there are only a few dozen people in the entire country who have, at any one time, the native talent to write rules.

What relevance does that have?? The problem for the citizens of our Republic is that the vast Federal government has far exceeded the limits set forth in the 9th and 10th Amendments.

You write as thought the "native talent" is some positive good for our Republic. What a vile and insulting thought to Liberty. The simple fact is that the EPA and most of the Federal government workers are engaged in wholly unconstitutional activities.

46 posted on 07/05/2012 11:26:55 AM PDT by sand88
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To: uncbob
Attention all Tea Party groups, 912 Patriots, Americans For Prosperity, Freedom Works, any other group I've left out, and YOU OUT THERE:

We don't have time to wait for any Republican assistance. It's going to be up to us to start the action rolling to stop oboma by implementing the following:

The above mentioned groups need to understand that they must pull together and and unify their efforts to inform people on a door to door basis, give them printed material that will explain obomacare, the importance of being registered to vote, that they must cast their vote for the option we have open to us NOW and stop oboma, that they should volunteer at the polls and protect the vote. We need to vote in mega numbers, and people need to be informed and inspired.

Groups need to coordinate their efforts and canvas neighborhoods door to door. Hand out flyers (people must have info in print form to read, copy and pass around) to each person in your canvas area, concise talking points outling how the process of obomacare will destroy our health care system, objurgating us to the socialist style health care under which the Canadians are suffering today.

Senior citizens living in apartment/single family/condo
complexes, and those complexes with restricted entry, need to be contacted..heads up to those people in these complexes who would be needed to assist. Seniors must be informed..they fear to discuss politics and many do not know the facts.

Expound on the Death Panels, this group of non-medical hacks who will determine who will get healthcare and who will not. Dr Ezekiel Emanual, brother of Rahm Emanuel, drew up the Death Panel concept in which the very young, the disabled, the elderly, who are non-productive to the government, who drain the health care resources that should go the age group that produces the most for the government, and that would be young adults. You WILL be denied healthcare as this panel sees fit.

The government will have access to your finances and be able to deduct from your finances whatever “taxes” they choose. If a government can tell you what to do with your money, your healthcare, under obomacare, they can tell you what to do about anything...you will lose your freedom and liberty. These are but a few of the talking points on obomacare..check other sources for additional points.

This is no arm chair war..we will have to sacrifice the usual routine of our lives and join forces with like minded people, hit the streets supplied with the materials we need, and go door to door and impress upon people that America is in crisis, we will not get another chance to have the freedom to vote, if we do not make our vote count now and elect Romney, our option, and STOP the commie oboma from doing further damage to this country and to We The People. Simple as that. This is but the first step in returning this country to the Constitution, freedom and liberty. Romney wants to win, he is not stupid and he knows what we the people WANT, and what we DON'T want, and that We the People can make this win happen. Romney is not a socialist/communist/marxist/revolutionary/sharia law loving thug...OBOMA IS ALL OF THE ABOVE. It will then be our job to ride Romney's behind and make sure he follows the will of the people. He's not the perfect candidate, but we DON'T HAVE TIME to find one..we must stop oboma NOW.

Children of seniors, help your family members by joining forces and assisting them with information and transportation to the polls. We will need the help of each and every one of us to turn out in mega numbers at the polls in November, and show oboma that we Americans don't take crap from any dictator, and we will NOT serve him on our bended knee. During WWII, folks worked together and helped win the war effort. This is the war of our lifetime..remember those who fought and died in past wars so that we may be free. Let not their efforts to have been for naught.

Again, contact the groups listed above, their contact info can be found online, and join up. Tell these groups that they must work together and make contact with We The People who can make it a win for this country...that is if they are all accounted for and cast their vote.

May God bless us in our efforts. Let's get this done.

47 posted on 07/05/2012 11:53:38 AM PDT by itssme
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To: grundle

I hope Amerika likes broccoli!


48 posted on 07/05/2012 12:12:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare is only the beginning. It's all downhill from here.)
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To: C210N
'rats could take the waivers to court, just as R's can do now but have not, as being unlawful.

Catch 22 for the rats. If they take it to court that waivers are unlawful, then they will have to accept that the waivers for the unions, muslims, etc are also unlawful.

Will make their heads explode.

49 posted on 07/05/2012 12:20:18 PM PDT by 11Bush
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To: grundle

“...but the law I passed is here to stay,” Obama said...”

‘Nuff said.


50 posted on 07/05/2012 12:39:50 PM PDT by Shady (There is no separation of powers..they want to ace the people out...)
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To: grundle
democrats are for these 13,000 pages of government regulations.

When I say democrats I mean socialists too as all democrats are socialists as Obama, Reid , Pelosi and Justice Roberts sure prove they are since they are for these 13,000 pages of new government regulations.

democrats are also for losing our freedom of choice to chose a doctor that could help us. Eventually the government will choose a (dept of motor vehicles like) doctor and if he can cure you or you don't like him too bad. Also waiting lists of months to see this “genius”.

democrats think that the people who run the dept of motor vehicles or the government schools( like clown principles in schools) will be able to create and diagnose the cutting edge medical technology and treatments that will save our lives.

Democrats are for us losing our freedom including our freedom to choose our doctor or insurance: democrats are for the government enslaving us ( this is what socialism/government does)>

Hey any stupid liberals reading this: how dumb do you feel that you are for the government enslaving us?

51 posted on 07/05/2012 3:42:54 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: grundle
democrats are for these 13,000 pages of government regulations. Hey dumb liberals/democrats , socialism/government doesn't work. What we need is to eliminate these 13,000 pages of government regulations and the hundreds of thousands pages of other government regulations that are choking businesses and freedom. funny How America prospered , grew, standard of living rose every year of the 1800's without an EPA, without an IRS, without hundreds of other agencies at all levels of government . And America grew and created jobs for all immigrants ,and didn't build up unmanageable debt all through the 1800's and did it all without all these government agencies nor without the technology we have now. We need to set all governments back to 1900 now.

When I say democrats I mean socialists too as all democrats are socialists as Obama, Reid , Pelosi and Justice Roberts sure prove they are since they are for these 13,000 pages of new government regulations.

democrats are also for losing our freedom of choice to chose a doctor that could help us. Eventually the government will choose a (dept of motor vehicles like) doctor and if he can't cure you or you don't like him too bad. Also waiting lists of months to see this “genius”.

democrats think that the people who run the dept of motor vehicles or the government schools( like clown principles in schools) will be able to create and diagnose the cutting edge medical technology and treatments that will save our lives.

Democrats are for us losing our freedom including our freedom to choose our doctor or insurance: democrats are for the government enslaving us ( this is what socialism/government does)>

Hey any stupid liberals reading this: how dumb do you feel that you are for the government enslaving us?

52 posted on 07/05/2012 3:49:45 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: grundle

Pass all the friggin so called laws you want. Then try to enforce them.

Friggin MARXIST BASTARDS!


53 posted on 07/05/2012 4:47:01 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Ex-Democrat Dean
Come January, could President Romney issue an executive order abolishing these thousands of laws on Obamacare ?

If he had the balls to do it, yes he could. 0dumb0 doesn't even consider the legalities or protocol of issuing EO's any longer. Of course OTOH, remember that Romney unilaterally implemented homo/lesbian same sex marriage in MA, even though the MA Supreme Court acknowledged they had no constitutional authority to order Romney or the legislature to implement same sex marriage.

So the answer is yes he could if had the balls....and no he won't because neither he nor the Repukes have the balls to do something so blatantly "in your face" against the socialist RAT bastard demoRATs.....and then tell the courts to piss off when they issue injunctions against his EO or expanding the waivers to all 50 states.

Come Nov 6, 2012, 0dumb0 commieCare will be so deeply inbedded into the fabric of government & regulations & insurance/healthcare/pharmecutical entities, it will never be repealed or nullified or removed.

54 posted on 07/05/2012 5:36:44 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: sand88
You appear to miss the point. Federal regulations need not be oppressive, nor do they need to be written so obscurely even the writers don't understand them.

What you perceive as federal over-reach I perceive as sheer stupidity on the part of the people who drafted the rules.

I said there just a few people in town who can write rules that are worth a darn. That is a big problem.

55 posted on 07/05/2012 6:16:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sand88
BTW, nothing I ever think or say is vile or insulting.

Get yourself together and quit imagining things.

56 posted on 07/05/2012 6:19:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Yawn

Let’s be honest. The Tea Party has no power. They gained some seats and where are we? Deeper in debt - unable to get the leadership to actually do anything. They get what they want.

Obamacare has passed. Look at the clutz who is the Republican nominee. Really?

How did this all happen?

People talk a good talk but nothing is going to change. People can rise up their arms - run around - scream like kids - talk about how they are going to start another revolution, another civil war, another whatever. It isn’t coming. It isn’t going to happen.

Even the leadership among us has thrown their wait behind the “it isn’t Obama” candidate.

We have lost.

Unless Texas can leave the Union (or another state) - I don’t see what hope there is.

It’s over. I know people will say I am being negative or giving up but I look at the reality of the situation. We will soon be 20 and then 30 trillion in debt. It is all downhill from here. The America we once loved and knew is gone. It is over.

Nobody is going to do much more than scream and shout. Some will blog about it. A few people might get off the rear ends and picket this or that. Other than that - eh - not much else will happen.

There is no uprising. If there isn’t an uprising by now then I don’t think it is coming. The Tea Party HAD some legs at one time and then - well then I am not sure what happened.

It’s over.


57 posted on 07/05/2012 6:57:21 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: silentknight
We have a single hydrocarbon deposit in the West that's worth about $100 trillion in royalties.

It's all on public land. We all own it.

Technically the US Is the only major nation on the planet that can actually put resources and other assets behind each and every government obligation.

We are not broke. We aren't going broke. That doesn't mean we should spend lie a drunken sailor, but we don't have to cut off Social Security and public retirements to let the taxpayers off the hook. Remember, that public debt to Social Security is a constitutionally guaranteed debt (read the 14th amendment very carefully).

The government can monetize the assets. It is probably time to do that.

58 posted on 07/05/2012 7:07:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: grundle

Forget the Marxists, socialist, commies and muzzies.. Lawyers are the greatest threat to our nations existence.

Lawyers should be banned from serving in the Legislative and Executive branches of government. And barred from lobbying as well.

Oh, and they should be heavily taxed.

Yea, yea, yea, I know. Since the lawyers are already running the show, that’s not likely to ever happen.

The rule of law is one thing; The rule of lawyers is quite another.


59 posted on 07/05/2012 7:13:13 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

if you want better regulations or laws, don’t let lawyers write them.


60 posted on 07/05/2012 7:27:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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