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Indiana First State to Allow Citizens to Shoot Law Enforcement Officers
AllGov ^ | June 11, 2012 | Noel Brinkerhoff

Posted on 06/12/2012 4:31:20 AM PDT by Rennes Templar

Police officers in Indiana are upset over a new law allowing residents to use deadly force against public servants, including law enforcement officers, who unlawfully enter their homes. It was signed by Republican Governor Mitch Daniels in March.

The first of its kind in the United States, the law was adopted after the state Supreme Court went too far in one of its rulings last year, according to supporters. The case in question involved a man who assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call. The court ruled that there was “no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.”

The National Rifle Association lobbied for the new law, arguing that the court decision had legalized police to commit unjustified entries.

Tim Downs, president of the Indiana State Fraternal Order of Police, which opposed the legislation, said the law could open the way for people who are under the influence or emotionally distressed to attack officers in their homes.

“It’s just a recipe for disaster,” Downs told Bloomberg. “It just puts a bounty on our heads.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; donttreadonme; donutwatch; homeascastle; indiana; lawenforcement; leo; mitchdaniel; mitchdaniels; nra; swat; swatabuse
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Good for you Mitch.
1 posted on 06/12/2012 4:31:27 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Rennes Templar

Now is the time for the other 49 to do the same.


2 posted on 06/12/2012 4:38:37 AM PDT by Marylander (Offendiphobia)
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To: Rennes Templar

Now is the time for the other 49 to do the same.


3 posted on 06/12/2012 4:38:54 AM PDT by Marylander (Offendiphobia)
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To: Rennes Templar

“Tim Downs, president of the Indiana State Fraternal Order of Police, which opposed the legislation, said the law could open the way for people who are under the influence or emotionally distressed to attack officers in their homes.”


But, without the law, surely that would NEVER happen.


4 posted on 06/12/2012 4:39:23 AM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: Rennes Templar

That could be the first step in ending the “War on Drugs(TM)”....


5 posted on 06/12/2012 4:40:28 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Rennes Templar

“It just puts a bounty on our heads.”

Pity.


6 posted on 06/12/2012 4:41:02 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Rennes Templar
Absolutely no one wants to harm or injure a police office or sheriff in any way.

However every single citizen has the God given right to defend themselves from a dangerous and threatening criminal act.

When any individual crosses the line and becomes a threat to their fellow man, they are immediately subject to the right to self defense and all of the consequences.

7 posted on 06/12/2012 4:42:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Rennes Templar

Congratulations to the People of Indiana for sending a definitive and winning response to tyranny and to the disgusting jurists who grovel before it.

Terrific notice to statists: if you abuse your authority and unlawfully invade a citizen’s home, you may be summarily and deservingly shot.


8 posted on 06/12/2012 4:44:09 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Rennes Templar

Yes it does make life a bit tougher for the Police and I do feel for them. BUT for to long the Police have had next to zero respect for the public. Wrong addresses on warrants, no warrants, shooting of pet animals, etc.

It’s about time that they started to take their jobs seriously and make sure that the information they are acting upon is accurate. And act like Peace Officers not para-military wanna-be’s.

And yes, before I go to far there ARE instances where SWAT is required. But does EVERY department have to have one? Why not have a State Police based one that all of the local offices can use?


9 posted on 06/12/2012 4:45:21 AM PDT by The Working Man
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What do the police expect after the recent history of unlawful forced entry into the wrong homes, resulting in dead family and pets?

vaudine

10 posted on 06/12/2012 4:46:24 AM PDT by vaudine
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The lesson of WACO is to pick up the person of interest in public instead of SWATing their house (or getting the address wrong).


11 posted on 06/12/2012 4:46:24 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Marylander

Agreed.

Public employees are not above the law. They are our servants, whether they like to hear it or not.

Downs says “It just puts a bounty on our heads.” I say welcome to the club. Now you know how we (citizens) feel.


12 posted on 06/12/2012 4:46:41 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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The "new" law is a repeat. The same law had been passed before the Indiana supreme Court ruled that there was no right to resist unlawful force by a police officer, period. The Indiana Supreme Court held that (there is no right to use force against unlawful force) and did not even mention the law that was on the books. It was a big enough deal that the Indiana Supreme Court reheard the same case, a second time, and repeated its ruling over a single dissent.

The Indiana legislature picked up the challenge, and passed the law again.

13 posted on 06/12/2012 4:47:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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It was the cops that militarized themselves and created the “us/them” mentality. I hope they appreciate what they have sown


14 posted on 06/12/2012 4:47:32 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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Good for Daniels and its really good for the citizens of indiana.Message to cops make sure you have the correct address.


15 posted on 06/12/2012 4:48:07 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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“Now is the time for the other 49 to do the same.”
Why not all 57?
“The law is an ass.”
The Indiana supreemes jumped the shark but the legislature might have taken a better aproach to resolve the issue.


16 posted on 06/12/2012 4:48:13 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Rennes Templar

End the damn WOD that spawned these travesties of justice


17 posted on 06/12/2012 4:48:24 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Rennes Templar

Keep the goons out of people’s homes and all will be well. You know they will come in uninvited.


18 posted on 06/12/2012 4:49:09 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Marylander

48 states. Buried in the Texas Penal Code is a similar provision.

From Texas Penal Code, Title II, Chapter 9, Subchapter C - http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm

Specifically, Section 9.31(c):
(c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified:

(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and

(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer’s (or other person’s) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary.

Section 9.31(d) tells us where to look to determine if we can use deadly force:

(d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.

If we look at 9.32, guess what we see.

Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:

(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and

(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to protect the actor against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force;

Indiana wasn’t the first; I believe that those provisions have been there since 1973. Further on in 9.32, the recently added Castle Law provisions further say “don’t even think about illegal entry without a warrant.”


19 posted on 06/12/2012 4:51:12 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Indiana: First state in the union to have SWAT double check a suspect’s address, before conducting a raid.


20 posted on 06/12/2012 4:51:44 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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