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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Responsibility2nd
"All through this thread I’ve explained his role in the campaign has been as a useful idiot for Mitt. Paul’s only objective was to divide and conquer the GOP away from real conservatives like Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Newt and so on."

His role as you see it. You have not proven your case, though, especially given the fact that each of our conservative candidates have taken far, far more votes away from each other, than Ron Paul, or even Mitt Romney, took from away them.

How many more times will we let ourselves be Huckabee-ed and Santorum-ed out of ANY decent conservative candidate? (No, that doesn't mean I think Ron Paul is a decent conservative candidate... The fact that Ron Paul is the ONLY Nationally Recognized Spokesperson for the US Constitution is a crying shame in my view.)

I agree with the poster who said we need a Conservative candidate primary well in advance of the Republican candidate primary.

As to Ron Paul's only objective? It's the same as it has been for 30 years. It's to use every chance, every opportunity, every occasion, every microphone he winds up in front of, to make some uncompromising point about the Constitution. No matter how much of a stretch or how crazy a leap of imagination it takes sometimes. He's said and done the the same thing for 30 years. He is a deeply flawed candidate, but nothing about his policies are as flexible and uncertain (and Socialist) as Romney's.

961 posted on 05/04/2012 5:21:15 PM PDT by EasySt (Life is precious. Live it well.)
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To: GeronL
or say things like “A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama” you should be banned.

I won't say that, but I will say that a vote for Romney will directly cancel out someone else's vote for Obama. A vote for someone else that doesn't have a chance of winning will not effect any change at all (and probably won't even be counted at all in the greater scheme of things).

Not trying to tell anyone how to vote, that's a private issue - but as a strategy of defeating Obama - the only one that has any hope of success is a vote that cancels out someone that votes for Obama. You can talk about both candidates leading us off the cliff at different speeds - but it is a strategy to allow us to live to fight another day. Sometimes things are so desperate that grabbing at any chance is the preferred option.

962 posted on 05/04/2012 5:23:03 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Earthdweller

Thank you very much, Earthdweller!!


963 posted on 05/04/2012 5:24:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Bikkuri

I know! It’s as distateful as mayo on sushi. lol


964 posted on 05/04/2012 5:24:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Magic Fingers
. On the other hand, there’s been no shortage of obsessive, seething rage posted about Romney hereon...

Go sell your schtick somewhere else.

965 posted on 05/04/2012 5:25:35 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I am trying to decide now on a short but efficient tag..

Something along the lines of, “Which do YOU want, a Communist, a Socialist, or a person who wants to UPHOLD American Values”...

Can’t figure any way to make it short enough though :/


966 posted on 05/04/2012 5:27:37 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Finny

Just when it seemed that Romney was getting a clue, he too whips out that harakiri sword again.

What happens if nobody gets a majority of the electoral vote this November?


967 posted on 05/04/2012 5:28:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: struggle

14 years a resident doesn’t require 14 consecutive years. Go for it.


968 posted on 05/04/2012 5:28:51 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you Jim. This is the right course to take.

WooHoo! We can get rid of Obama!

Vote for the most conservative candidate you can in every race, and work for more conservative ones next round.

It is the common sense thing to do!!

I’m too damn tired tonight, but you’ve got a donation coming tomorrow!!!


969 posted on 05/04/2012 5:29:03 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: PeaRidge

Thank you very much, PeaRidge!!


970 posted on 05/04/2012 5:29:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“I’m talking about the Palin bid for 2012 that never came to pass. She was hinting about it, but the word on the street was that Democrats promised to savage her family in the media.”

Thanks for the explanation. I would have liked to see her run, too.

From what I saw, about 30-40% of FR was pretty seriously anti-Palin.


971 posted on 05/04/2012 5:29:50 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Try again, garbaged tag.


Lol :)

Hard for me to see 'garbled'.. some of the [bold]/[italic] come garbled to me since I am on a System with Japanese OS.. but I still saw it the same ;)
972 posted on 05/04/2012 5:31:05 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Jeff Head
The change, getting back to the constitution, has to be done “consitutionally”.

'The Constitution has not moved'....it still stands on it's own....men have chosen to bypass or ignore it. It's still there.. and still shining in the hearts and minds of those who love this Nation...and some even in our government who hold to it's truths still.

If we remove men who do not hold to our constitution and who understand we the people are not to be "ruled", rather our government is to "serve" the people the Constitution will stand where it always has... on it's own.

If anything needs to be done our Congress needs to be reformed to once again reflect the people not the purse and certainly not with positions lasting a lifetime......

973 posted on 05/04/2012 5:33:46 PM PDT by caww
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To: SandRat
Then Go out for election blood in the 2014 & 2026 election that we didn't get.


SandRat.. I am glad to see you here..
I have NO right to say anything about what may happen in the upcoming elections (actually, the after effect) since I am not on home ground. BUT, I would willfully break out my guns and ammo to defend the great country that we have been losing for the last 60+ years, if I could :/
974 posted on 05/04/2012 5:34:52 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: treetopsandroofs

Palin did not seem outspoken “enough” for some harder cores. She didn’t give away the store from time to time, however, unlike His Mittness. Some were skeptical whether she actually meant to run. I think she did, but also looked at what the Demon Rats were already doing to savage prominent conservatives. That is really the dirtiest of tricks. What do you think Democrats would say if Rush Limbaugh, say, began to mock Obama’s daughters?


975 posted on 05/04/2012 5:34:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: GeronL; Finny

“They attack us for refusing to vote for a liberal and then accuse of intolerance and being hateful and whatnot..”

It’s only an “attack” if you’re one of those bizarrely pompous posters who view themselves as smiled upon by God for their voting decisions. Bragging about that kind of delusional thinking (there’s your intolerance) deserves a little attention, regardless of who they support or oppose. However, of late it’s come almost exclusively from some who oppose Romney (my last choice, EXCEPT for Obama) with an almost religious-seeming fervor (far more po’d at MR than BO), fueled by the certainty that the Lord loves them best for feeling that way.

That being said, if the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.


976 posted on 05/04/2012 5:35:31 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Bikkuri

Perhaps with your enhanced font capability it read decently. I have plain old Western ASCII and was getting A’s with hats on them.


977 posted on 05/04/2012 5:36:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Bikkuri

Read this and enjoy. Well worth the read.


978 posted on 05/04/2012 5:37:11 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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979 posted on 05/04/2012 5:38:04 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: CharacterCounts
Could you point out a couple of those name-calling, insults which have occurred on this thread?

Oh my, no - I haven't EVEN read this whole thread - just bits of it. I was talking about the name-calling and insults which have reigned on this whole site for quite some time now. I've seen people be called a "Romney-bot" just for saying they will vote for Romney over Obama. Noob, troll....heck, I was even told I wasn't a real Christian one time because I said something critical of Sarah Palin.

Not to mention being called a "Perrywinkle", accused of supporting Rick Perry because I had the "hots" for him, on & on. Then, seeing people be cluster-bullied by various "posse-ping list" FReepers, simply for disagreeing with one-of-the-group.

Not saying the rest of us are saints - but it's pretty obvious that I'm not the only one that feels this way. It's the owner's site to do with how he wishes, but there are consequences to actions.

980 posted on 05/04/2012 5:38:52 PM PDT by alicewonders
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