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Beating of Alabama man not seen as hate crime, despite claim 'Trayvon' invoked
foxnews.com ^ | 04/24/2012 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 04/24/2012 1:07:41 PM PDT by massmike

A racially charged beating of a white Alabama man by a throng of African-Americans is not being investigated as a hate crime, despite one witness' claim that she heard an assailant exclaim: "Now that's justice for Trayvon."

Matthew Owens, of Mobile, Ala., was assaulted with baseball bats, paint cans and other weapons at about 8:30 p.m. Saturday after telling a group of children to stop playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive, according to Ashley Rains, public information officer for the Mobile Police Department.

After the children left the area, a group of adults armed with weapons returned and confronted Owens, 40, in his front yard, where he was assaulted. Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, told WKRG she witnessed the attack and that there were as many as 20 assailants. Parker said she overheard one of them say, "Now that's justice for Trayvon."

Asked if the incident was being investigated as a hate crime, Rains replied: "No, it's not. It's being investigated as an assault."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: blackonwhitecrime; chimpout; hatecrime; justicefortrayvon; justicefortrayvoninc; matthewowens; odinga; trayvonmob; trayvonrevenge
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To: Terry Mross

I heard on Laura Ingraham’s show today that neighbors saw this happen but are afraid to give any details to the police. They think if they do that they will be next in line for a beating.

I’d tell everything and carry a gun. Of course if I saw it happening there would probably be several dead youths.


51 posted on 04/24/2012 3:17:56 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Just because someone thinks it's a good idea doesn't make it legal.)
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To: Lazamataz

LOL at the Admins.
I somehow have managed to avoid their wrath.
13 years.


52 posted on 04/24/2012 3:18:31 PM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: massmike

Even as we speak I know “60 Minutes” has called back Mike Wallace from the dead for a special presentation on how the “Negroes Righteously Sacrificed and Assaulted Numerous Caucasians in Their Quest for Well Deserved Reparations”, (Monetarily of course)


53 posted on 04/24/2012 3:23:48 PM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: Terry Mross

It’s a terribly sad situation, Terry.

I believe that under stand your ground laws one could use deadly force in that situation because another person’s life is in clear danger, but I don’t want to test my freedom and financial well being considering our current administration.

Furthermore, if one did fire on them, no doubt some would survive, they would sue, and they would likely seek revenge.

Also, firing a round or two into the air could kill an innocent person, and so could firing into the ground, because occassionally a bullet can ricochet off the ground instead of penetrating it.

The only course of action I can see at this time is to avoid black people at all costs.

Race relations are not only damaged now, they are poisoned.


54 posted on 04/24/2012 3:24:55 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: kempster

I wonder if a local prosecutor can ‘refer’ a case for possible “hate crime” charges. Those would be federal charges that require a federal prosecutor to charge. Eric Holder is not going to bring a case against “his people.” But then even Republican A-G’s failed to bring cases in the past.


55 posted on 04/24/2012 3:29:20 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: massmike

after telling a group of children to stop playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive,


Bet on racism accusations being made against him for that.


56 posted on 04/24/2012 3:30:55 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: cuban leaf
So, why did they assault him, anyway?

He must have "dissed" the neighborhood kids playing baskeball on his street thereby hurting their self-esteem. That calls for an 'automatic' beat down. Trayvon attempted to deliver one, he just picked the wrong guy. This crowd found a softer target.

57 posted on 04/24/2012 3:34:46 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: robowombat
...reflecting the current climate of inter-ethic tension

Nice job, President Healer.

58 posted on 04/24/2012 3:36:38 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: massmike

Owens’ sister, Ashley Parker, told WKRG she witnessed the attack and that there were as many as 20 assailants. Parker said she overheard one of them say, “Now that’s justice for Trayvon.”


Yes, if 20 whites beat on a black, no matter for what reason, it would be considered a hate crime, even if no words were said. But if the black persons sister said one of the attackers said something racist, would we believe her? Or disregard what she says because she was his sister?


59 posted on 04/24/2012 3:41:08 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: All

Two things....one, I’ve got a car I want to sell and I’m afraid to put a “for sale” sign on the car. All I’d be doing is inviting a home invasion.

Several years ago I was trying to sell a house for a builder. It was the last house for sell on the cul de sac. On weekends a bunch of blacks would set up a portable goal and be in front of the house playing b-ball. There was no way you were going to sell that house. I don’t know if they ever sold it.


60 posted on 04/24/2012 3:45:04 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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“OBAMA: There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America. There’s the United States of America.

(Larry) KING: How were you picked?

OBAMA: You know, I have never exactly figured that out.”

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/19/lkl.01.html

People believed 0bama enough to trust him with the stewardship of the Republic.


61 posted on 04/24/2012 3:49:01 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: rfreedom4u

It wasn’t the yutes. They left and went and told the adults. The adults came back and beat the guy for pointing out to the yutes they aren’t supposed to be playing b-ball in the street.

There may come a time in the very near future when we’re all forced to decide whether or not to get involved .... with our firearms.


62 posted on 04/24/2012 3:49:37 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Terry Mross

“They” aren’t going to “do anything”; you’re on your own and have been for a long time.


63 posted on 04/24/2012 3:50:33 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: massmike

Too bad his wife was not well versed with a street sweeper and willing to use it to save her husband...


64 posted on 04/24/2012 3:51:46 PM PDT by aces
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To: Kozak
Imagine if a crowd of 20 whites came after a black guy on his own property and beat him nearly to death. Think THAT would be a hate crime?

Do I think it, or would the media think it? Different questions.

65 posted on 04/24/2012 3:54:17 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: massmike

And obama doesn’t say one, single word about this. He’s too busy kissing up to the students in Chapel Hill about how he and M are just as poor as they are. I notice he doesn’t give any WH pressers anymore. At all.

Worst. President. Ever.


66 posted on 04/24/2012 3:58:18 PM PDT by Xyz22 (Snakebit again)
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To: massmike

‘Suspect: I Beat Up White Man Because I Am Mad About Trayvon Martin Case”
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/crime/alton-hayes-trayvon-martin-white-man-attacked-black-racist-racism-maywood-chicago-suburb-20120420

Man, 78, recounts assault by 6 youths in E. Toledo
, “[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man],” according to a police report”
http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/03/Man-78-recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html


67 posted on 04/24/2012 4:25:48 PM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: rfreedom4u

I heard on Laura Ingraham’s show today that neighbors saw this happen but are afraid to give any details to the police. They think if they do that they will be next in line for a beating.


Natural reaction, and thats why things like this happen. The thugs knew that neighbors would just sit and watch the beat down.


68 posted on 04/24/2012 4:42:52 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: massmike

You gotta be fuc*ing kidding me with this?!?!?!?


69 posted on 04/24/2012 4:44:51 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big. Vote Newt!)
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To: massmike

“I have personal insight into this incident. It had nothing to do with kids playing basketball or racial slurs.

Several neighborhood kids were going into his neighbors yard and carports who were away. He told the kids to put the items back and get off the neighbors property.

The kids left. Several minutes later, numerous cars pulled up and the occupants set upon Mr. Owens. The group consisted of adult male and females and children.

As they were leaving they were overheard sayin “This is for Travon”

The press has “their” stories wrong and need to correct it and stop trying to paint in a way to allow for justification of attempted murder against Mr.Owens.”

http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/story/Delmar-Attack-Over-Possible-Racial-Slurs/cclWJ4ZQz0-RH_KwjFZRRQ.cspx


70 posted on 04/24/2012 5:06:10 PM PDT by wolficatZ ("We are no longer accepting comments on this article")
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To: massmike
OK, so now that they have figured out that it isn't a hate crime and there seems to be little priority to finding all the attackers we must look at the other side of the coin. How to protect yourself and your home when the black mob comes for you.
One can do it but it is best to have two or more experienced people. First is the proper equipment. Either remington 760 or mossberg 500 12 gage riot guns with extended tubular mags will do and you will need two of them per shooter. Forget 00 buckshot and lay in a good supply of #4 buckshot and saboted slugs. A good amount of range time will be needed for practice not only in learning how to effectively use the shotguns but also in learning to coordinate fire when the mob comes knocking on your door. With two shooters practice starting in the middle and working out to both sides with one shooter choosing targets to the left and the other to the right. With three shooters one takes the middle while the others start on the ends and work their way toward the center. Practice shooting at different rates of fire so everyone does not run out of ammo at the same time. With the second shotgun practice snap shooting a basket ball from 7 to 20 yards with the slugs. Practice reloading so it is a programmed movement. Deploy the #4 buckshot first then step back to a predetermined location with cover and exchange riot guns. By this time any threat will be coming from behind a car of fence. Don't worry about shooting the exposed bad guy, if you know they are hiding there and honestly believe that they are still a threat shoot through the car of the fence and let the slugs do their work. Handling violent mobs is not impossible. You just have to have the ability and will to bring superior firepower to the game.
Shoot first, shoot most, and shoot best.
Would you rather be carried by 6 or judged by 12. Wars, including race wars, are concluded by neutralizing your enemy and destroying their ability and willingness to fight. The quicker this is done the less lives will be lost on both sides. Neither side or any person ever wins a war. This incident is either the first volley in the war to come or a point where everyone looks up and says it is time to talk and not fight. We will see how if works out.
71 posted on 04/24/2012 5:28:07 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Bump for later


72 posted on 04/24/2012 5:36:12 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Aw man, you have me rolling!!!


73 posted on 04/24/2012 6:30:37 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: Xyz22

I just got a text from NC about him.


74 posted on 04/24/2012 6:34:20 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: Josa
Another suggestion: Use your cell phone to take photos and videos of any assaults you witness.

If I witness an assault like that I'm shooting every last one of them.

75 posted on 04/24/2012 6:41:15 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: rightly_dividing

Just like Marquette Park in Chicago. The ethnic Lithuanians still left cannot sell their houses, and have to stand by while Holder’s people walk in and take whatever they want. I know a few people were shot in the head by Holder’s thugs, simply because of their color.


76 posted on 04/24/2012 6:58:37 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: massmike

Another witness has come forward now, and has stated that one of the attackers uttered the, “This is Justice for Trayvon” line:

“...Police continue to downplay the Trayvon Martin connection to the beating. But a neighbor confirms what his sister told News 5. The neighbor, too scared to go on camera, told News 5’s Lauren Vargas that they heard one of the suspects say “This is justice for Trayvon” as she drove away.”

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/50/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/


77 posted on 04/24/2012 9:12:42 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: kempster
Rule Number One: Anything that happens to a white person can never be considered a hate crime.

That's right! Because the white ************ ******* deserved it, yo!

< / s >

78 posted on 04/25/2012 12:41:50 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: robowombat

“No suspects have been apprehended following the Mobile incident.”

And thanks to the “affirmative action” Mobile, AL Police Chief, none of “his” people will be apprehended, much less charged. Count on it. Matt Owens will just have to get used to it: equal justice does not apply to whites.


79 posted on 04/25/2012 1:26:12 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: massmike

If the roles were reversed then it would absolutely be considered a hate crime simply because it would be white on black.

So it shouldn’t matter if anyone shouted anything about Trayvon or not. The fact that it was a black mob beating a white person should be enough to assume it was a racially motivated hate crime. Hate crime laws are a bad idea to begin with for several reasons, one of which is that that will eventually lead to the criminalization of speech.

But if we are going to have them, then a blatant example like this should be treated as such.


80 posted on 04/25/2012 4:25:38 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: massmike
Who says I don't need an anti-assault weapon.
81 posted on 04/25/2012 4:51:36 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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