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Deportation rules breaking up families
San Antonio Express ^ | March 18, 2012 | Esther J. Cepeda, Washington Post columnist

Posted on 03/18/2012 5:32:17 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

Wasteful, senseless and cruel. How better to describe the ridiculous battle that Felipe Montes is waging to be reunited with his three U.S.-born children? Since his deportation, they've been ensnared by the foster care system and are at risk of being put up for adoption.

Montes, who had lived in the U.S. illegally for almost 10 years, was sent back to Mexico in 2010 after having been sentenced to probation following an arrest for driving with an expired license, an expired registration and no automobile insurance. He was detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents at one of his probation meetings.

Under normal circumstances, Montes' children would have been put in the care of a relative. But since there was no relative capable of caring for them, social workers took his boys, all under the age of 7, and separated them into different foster families. Now the state of North Carolina won't let Montes claim his children just because he's in Mexico.

According to an Associated Press report, ICE officials said they didn't communicate with North Carolina's Child Protective Services about Montes because it's not their job to call child welfare officials every time a parent is detained.

(Excerpt) Read more at mysanantonio.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: aliens; crimaliens; crymeariver; deportation; hispandering; immigration; mexico; nc
Shouldn't this really read, illegals who are caught breaking our laws, are reasonable for the breaking up of their families.?
1 posted on 03/18/2012 5:32:27 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
I think so.
The illegals KNOW the rules when they come in. They come in illegally anyway then whine when they get caught, running to the liberal orgs who will take up their cause.
2 posted on 03/18/2012 5:34:36 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: moonshinner_09
There are consequences for breaking the law.

Unless you're a Democrat.

3 posted on 03/18/2012 5:34:57 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: moonshinner_09

There wouldn’t be this problem if they stayed in their loser country rather than invading ours. It is their responsibility.


4 posted on 03/18/2012 5:36:20 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: moonshinner_09
OR
It should read:
deportation doesn't break up families, illegals who break the rules, then get caught BREAK UP families.
The blame should be put where it belongs.
5 posted on 03/18/2012 5:36:38 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: moonshinner_09
ICE says it's up to the parent ~ which it is and has been for quite some time. Could be somebody in North Carolina wants to keep slaves or something.

Wouldn't be the first time that'd happened.

6 posted on 03/18/2012 5:36:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: moonshinner_09

There wouldn’t be this problem if they stayed in their loser country rather than invading ours. It is their responsibility.


7 posted on 03/18/2012 5:36:49 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: moonshinner_09

You don’t deport the dad without his kids. If there was no family member to care for them, then the kids should go with the dad. The kids aren’t orphans. They have a dad who wants them.


8 posted on 03/18/2012 5:38:12 PM PDT by marron
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To: moonshinner_09

“Montes, who had lived in the U.S. illegally for almost 10 years, was sent back to Mexico in 2010 after having been sentenced to probation following an arrest for driving with an expired license, an expired registration and no automobile insurance”

That’s exactly where the article ends, for me. Happily, I might add.


9 posted on 03/18/2012 5:40:11 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: moonshinner_09

These people should stay in their countries and fix its human rights issues instead of coming here illegally and then complaining when they get caught.

I’m all for everyone having a decent life, but to break laws and rub it in the faces of the people you are stealing from is to much. They are rude, arrogant and no longer afraid to come out into the open. They know the democrats need their votes.

There are people waiting in line to come legally, why should these lawbreakers be left here to rob this country blind.


10 posted on 03/18/2012 5:41:31 PM PDT by mardi59 (I AM ANDREW BREITBART)
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To: moonshinner_09

illegal immigrants are breaking up families.


11 posted on 03/18/2012 5:43:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: moonshinner_09

“Wasteful, senseless and cruel.” Yes, Americans killed by drunk illegal drivers due to our government’s impotent enforcement of our immigration laws is all that and more.


12 posted on 03/18/2012 5:44:14 PM PDT by tumblindice (our new, happy lives)
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To: moonshinner_09

OK, I have to disagree with the posters so far. Taking a man’s children away from him, and not allowing him to claim them “just because he’s in Mexico,” (according to the story) is (as the story also points out) “wasteful, senseless and cruel.”

Maybe Montes should be deported (certainly sounds like it). Maybe there’s more to the story. But keeping a man’s children from him, assuming there is no child abuse ... that’s interfering with one of the basic human relationships. And for what? Any valid reason at all? There certainly does not seem to be.


13 posted on 03/18/2012 5:44:24 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: moonshinner_09

illegal immigrants are breaking up families.


14 posted on 03/18/2012 5:44:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: moonshinner_09

As dual nationals, wouldn’t they be welcome in Mexico? Problem solved! Next problem, please...


15 posted on 03/18/2012 5:45:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: moonshinner_09

He could have easily avoided all of this by STAYING IN MEH-HEE-KO and fathering his little bastards there. F him, F them. Follow the LAW!


16 posted on 03/18/2012 5:46:34 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: moonshinner_09

They can take the kids with them, no break up is necessary unless they choose not to take the family with them


17 posted on 03/18/2012 5:48:04 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: moonshinner_09

So...


18 posted on 03/18/2012 5:49:28 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They would be welcome in Mexico. They apparently have a father who wants them in Mexico. The problem (according to the story) is that the State of North Carolina is not letting them go to Mexico, and is distributing them to its own agents (”foster parents”) and planning to put them up for adoption to strangers instead of letting them go to their father. Apparently, there is not even an allegation of child abuse. Seriously ... on a basic human level, this is just sick.


19 posted on 03/18/2012 5:49:32 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: Jubal Harshaw

“And for what? Any valid reason at all?”

Agreed that a father or mother should be able to keep his children. I imagine (I didn’t read the article in detail) though that if the kid’s were born in the U.S., then the gov’t. probably has some laws about minors being sent to another country. (Although I suppose if I wanted to move to Mexico with my family the gov’t. could care less.)

One way around it is to not so much change the rules on Deportation - but change the rules on Citizenship and the “anchor baby” thing.


20 posted on 03/18/2012 5:53:53 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: moonshinner_09

I agree. Send them all back.


21 posted on 03/18/2012 5:55:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: moonshinner_09; All

Esther Cepeda!

Get a real job.


22 posted on 03/18/2012 5:55:34 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: moonshinner_09

“driving with an expired license, an expired registration and no automobile insurance.”

legal or Illegal, he has crossed into the area I support the death penalty for!

The biggest part of my auto insurance is “uninsured motorist.” People drive with no insurance, no license - and little or no worry when they are caught. This guy got sent back to Mexico - big deal.


23 posted on 03/18/2012 5:59:46 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name ( i)
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To: Jubal Harshaw

Attempting to give a damn ...

Unable to give a damn, lo siento


24 posted on 03/18/2012 6:06:30 PM PDT by tumblindice (our new, happy lives)
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To: blam

The laws don’t say that illegal immigrants children are Americans......only the “interpretation” of the law is sustained.


25 posted on 03/18/2012 6:09:05 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Deportations occur around the world, in over a hundred countries, day in and day out, and as I speak. Right now, some man is being separated from his wife or kids, somewhere in an immigration office or at an airport or port.

Because HE ENTERED THAT COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

The US should get over this point. Actions have consequences.

26 posted on 03/18/2012 6:12:00 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If Free Republic morphs into a supportive site for Romney, I'll conclude my 13 year participation.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

IMHO, the issue here is NOT the deportation. The deportation seems perfectly justified. The issue is the HOLDING of the children, i.e. not letting them leave to be with their father.

Keeping people OUT OF your country has a long and valid history. Keeping people IN your country, against their wishes(or the wishes of their parent, in this case) also has a long history, but not a history to support.


27 posted on 03/18/2012 6:17:33 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: moonshinner_09

Where is mama or mamacita as the case may be? Poorly written article does not say/ I am sick of 3rd world invaders. They are on their own and and dittos for their spawn. I am sick of my taxes paying for their k-12 eduaction, food stamps, WIC and multitudinous other welfare scams


28 posted on 03/18/2012 6:18:04 PM PDT by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: Jubal Harshaw

And maybe if my aunt had a mustache she’d be my uncle. Tough sh!t for the illegals and their kids. As every other American, I’m sick of this bs. You break the law, you pay for it.


29 posted on 03/18/2012 6:25:50 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I suspect he’s just astonished that he has three `anchor baby’ cards but he’s not hitting `21’ on any of them. The next step is usually to find a state or US critter to make an impassioned plea on his behalf but he may have tried this route already as well.
All we’re hearing is what the San Antonio/Wash. Post’s Esther Cepeda tells us, and a lot of the article is yellow journailsm/purple prose.
For ex. he may be an unfit father, for all we know, but they’re American citizens, right? At least that’s what they tell us. But he’s not. Hasta lluego Felipe.


30 posted on 03/18/2012 6:27:08 PM PDT by tumblindice (our new, happy lives)
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To: tumblindice

‘’Unable to give a damn, lo siento’’< Equalmente amigo!


31 posted on 03/18/2012 6:28:31 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Re your post #9, when you see that the author is associated with The Washington Post you can be assured that the premise of the piece will be U.S. laws BAD, poor Mexicans GOOD. It’s what that excuse for a newspaper specializes in.


32 posted on 03/18/2012 6:30:49 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: moonshinner_09

I have never understood why they don’t ship the entire family back at the same time. Save us millions of dollars. So stupid.


33 posted on 03/18/2012 6:44:16 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Let’s help Mr Montes - and eliminate the disgrace called “birthright citizenship”. Then his 3 kids can live with him in Mexico, where they belong.


34 posted on 03/18/2012 6:47:35 PM PDT by montag813
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To: moonshinner_09

Criminals always have to leave their families when they break the law and go to prison.

Illegal ailens have it much better, they can take their families with them if they choose.

I think it is a great idea to be tough on them, to let others rethink coming here illegally.


35 posted on 03/18/2012 6:48:08 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: moonshinner_09

We have a legal system of immigration just so stuff like this does not happen. Legal is good for us and it is good for immigrants.


36 posted on 03/18/2012 7:09:50 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Jubal Harshaw

“They would be welcome in Mexico. They apparently have a father who wants them in Mexico. The problem (according to the story) is that the State of North Carolina is not letting them go to Mexico, and is distributing them to its own agents (”foster parents”) and planning to put them up for adoption to strangers instead of letting them go to their father. Apparently, there is not even an allegation of child abuse. Seriously ... on a basic human level, this is just sick.”

Something is really wrong in North Carolina. First they seem to think it’s o.k. to take a four year olds family-prepared lunch away from her, and now this.


37 posted on 03/18/2012 7:34:04 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: moonshinner_09

illegal immigration is breaking up families!


38 posted on 03/18/2012 7:34:16 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: moonshinner_09
children of illegals should not be legal themselves. Reunite this family...In Mexico.
39 posted on 03/18/2012 7:44:15 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: moonshinner_09
children of illegals should not be legal themselves. Reunite this family...In Mexico.
40 posted on 03/18/2012 7:44:32 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: moonshinner_09

She can talk to the hand; the face don’t want to hear it. :)


41 posted on 03/18/2012 9:37:38 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: moonshinner_09

Well boo-frickin’-hoo. They should not have brokent he law in the first place.


42 posted on 03/19/2012 4:39:14 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: dennisw

Any bets on who paid for the births of these children? They should go with father since the mother is not around. That keeps family together and keeps off the welfare roll here.


43 posted on 03/19/2012 7:19:12 AM PDT by Tspud1
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To: moonshinner_09
Yeah.... If you don't want your family broken up... Come here LEGALLY.

It really isn't that hard to do.

44 posted on 03/19/2012 7:26:46 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

True ... but given that they’re here, wouldn’t the obvious course be to send them to their father in Mexico?


45 posted on 03/19/2012 11:15:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm trying to avoid sarcasm, but darn it, life is absurd!)
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To: Tax-chick
One would think so... Very few things make sense these days. It's like our entire society decided to base it's perceived reality on illogical behavior...

Kind of leaves folks like me feeling like Wonko the Sane.

46 posted on 03/19/2012 11:44:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

Those of us with 2-year-olds know all about illogical perceived realities ...


47 posted on 03/19/2012 11:59:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm trying to avoid sarcasm, but darn it, life is absurd!)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes. But we don’t have them writing laws and policy the rest of the Country is supposed to follow.


48 posted on 03/19/2012 12:05:12 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

But could they do worse?


49 posted on 03/19/2012 12:27:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm trying to avoid sarcasm, but darn it, life is absurd!)
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To: Tax-chick

Depends on how much you like the idea of chicken nuggets being made the National Food...


50 posted on 03/19/2012 1:15:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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