Posted on 01/26/2012 2:38:28 PM PST by Jeff Head
This is the latest update to a fairly busy year for the Red Chinese Navy. They are developing a strong, mmodern blue water fleet that cannot be taken lightly or ignored.
A good time gut our military.
FYI...our money being spent over in China by the billions.
Well researched and shared—even in the face of a long, sponsored, globalist propaganda blitz saying that China is collapsing (since 2007) and should be disregarded by us peasants. Our own government, government-connected business and academic leaders are trying to keep our debt regime going at any and all costs to us.
Preaching to the choir.
I am less concerned about the backwards camel jockey’s of the middle east. Red China, is our true potential enemy and the one country that could bring us down just by selling off our t-bills. That would be economic collapse and hyperinflation overnight. We would go into an econimic tailspin that would be hard to comprehend. And to get even we’d have to fight a real no kidding war with them. Full nuclear, not just a stray warhead or two. The real thing with high yield ICBM’s. Plus their anti-ship missile tech. That’s a real war.
But we are misdirected to the middle east - frankly I think if we weren’t around the muslims would pretty much annihilate each other. Look at the Iran-Iraq war. They almost did each other in - and we should have let them.
I am worried about countries that can field a real navy and a real air force, that are smart, and have us financially by the short hairs. Where is that in any of these debates?
FYI...our money being spent over in China by the billions.
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Cain, Romney, Huntsman, Perry and others have talked about China and what to do about them.
Fact is, China is looking similar to the build up before World War II in both Germany and Japan. Germany was a fascist country with the large backing of her people. They had a population of about 60 million and it took most of the rest of the world to bring them down.
Red China has adopted more of a fascist economic model, diregarding the failed Maoist marxist model. They have 1.3 billion people and if any appreciable portion gets behind their effort to build up like Germany did...it will be a nightmare to put down short of what you describe.
They are building a large, modern, blue water Navy. There is only one opponent on the board that that Navy can be directed at.
Thanks...IMHO, we have to stay awake and watch the growth of Red China and their military and do all we can to forestall it. Their government is not our friend or partner. They are our adversary and will be until the adopt a republican, free form of government respecting the rights of the individual and other nations.
Currently 2/3 of PLAN destroyers, submarines, frigages are older ships and 1/3 are consider modern, but it seems like they finalized on which iterated ship design to mass produce and replace her remaining older ships with. Her ability to mass produce once a reasonable design is settled upon is what makes China different from the US. Still PRC military is ranked distant 3rd to US but PRC ranks number one in finance in terms of foreign exchange and assets. Comparison, China has 2600 trillion in foreign exchange/assets and the US has only 150 trillion. China’s military is still catching up and cannot be used with effectiveness on US but her financial influence is already here and being used to challenge US influence and power. China’s GDP already exceeds 2nd Place Japan and is over 50 percent of the US GDP using current yuan to US dollar exchange rate. If China chose not to devalue her yuan (US has been demanding that to curtail China’s trade surplus) China’s GDP eventually will be equal to the US GDP if the yuan appreciates in value and the US dollar continues to decline. Finance is already killing US military power.
Due to forced cutbacks, the US may lose one carrier and up to 8 Army combat brigades. China did not fire a shot and we lost these military assets due to weak finances.
As such, they can defer much of their military spending (in favor of building up their economy and industrial base) until such point as they think it's time to attack. This appears to be what China has been doing. I'm going to guess they plan on making a move in the next few years.
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They are years away from being able to facce us on a genral, wide scale war basis.
But they will reach a point sooner than that where they can venture to force the Taiwan issue...or, more likely, keep ther Taiwan people from independence at the force of arms.
In thos restricted waters and right up against the Chinese mainland, they are building a force that can hinder our intevention.
It would be many years later before they had the experience, numbers and technology to meet us equally on the high seas. But they are clearly building up a force composition to allow them to do so once they get the numbers and more importantly, the experience, policies, and operational procedures in place and down.
Either way, it is something we must not ignore.
The problem is China already owns Taiwan. Problem is the pro independence movement in Taiwan does not know that. Like I said in my post, look at China’s power profile. Distant third in military but is number one by a wide margin in terms of financial power with a foreign exchange reserve of 2600 trillion vs US at 150 trillion. Most of Taiwan’s manufacturing base for its high tech industries is in mainland China. Taiwan’s banks are intertwine with mainland banks. The mainland Chinese who came to Taiwan after their defeat still consider themselves Chinese over the Taiwanese islanders. Taiwan is politically divided, has a large presence of mainland loyalist, finance and manufacturing controlled by mainland China. Taiwan is still unsure of declaring independence unless they get US support which is not certain. As time goes on, Taiwan is being absorbed financially and industrially. This idea the China must use force to take Taiwan is only looking at one obvious path China can use, but China already is using other means of taking over Taiwan. It is already underway under Taiwanese nose.
That trend continues, and as long as they can keep the Taiwan people profiting from it and maintaining their standard of living...and then offer them autonomy like considerations. and maybe even more so than Hong Kong, ultimately they will defacto become a part of the mainland.
I believe that is the PRCs main line...they will use force only if the independence minded people wake up and declare independence before that process completes.
But the PRC has built a military that will allow them to effectively try that should Taiwan declare. Fifteen...even 7-8 years ago they would not have had a prayer militarily if the US intervened. The longer it goes, the more likely that they will be able to prevail...even if we do intervene becasue of their growing capabilities and proximity to the mainland.
And they are building a military to measure up to that in the next 15-20 years.
Like the Chinese Minister of Defense and Member of the Central Military Commission, General Liang Guanglie, stated in an interview in several PRC state-backed newspapers last year,
“In the coming five years, our military will push forward preparations for military conflict in every strategic direction,”. He then added, “We may be living in peaceful times, but we can never forget war, never send the horses south or put the bayonets and guns away.”
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