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Bethlehem man had 10 .40-caliber hollow point rounds in Phillipsburg, police say
lehighvalleylive.com ^ | 28 Nov 2011 | Tom Rowan, Jr.

Posted on 11/28/2011 4:36:27 PM PST by smokingfrog

A 30-year-old Bethlehem man was arraigned today for possessing 10 .40-caliber hollow point rounds in Phillipsburg, court records show.

According to Phillipsburg police:

Roddley W. Watson Jr., of the 1000 block of East Fourth Street, was stopped about 1 a.m. Nov. 23 after police responded to Morris and Raymond streets for a report of a hit and run.

When police spoke with Watson, they saw in plain view a "Glock pistol magazine loaded with hollow point ammunition in the driver's side-door compartment."

Watson was not in possession of a weapon.

Watson told police he owned the magazine but forgot to remove it from his vehicle.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunlaws; hollowpoints
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This has got to be one of the dumbest gun laws I've ever heard of.
1 posted on 11/28/2011 4:36:34 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Police state.


2 posted on 11/28/2011 4:38:57 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: smokingfrog

The law is accomplishing exactly what its intended, make felons out of more and more people.


3 posted on 11/28/2011 4:39:14 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: smokingfrog

Is he going to get 1000 year life sentence for it for carrying those evil bullets?


4 posted on 11/28/2011 4:39:18 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: smokingfrog

Well, I suppose he could have thrown them at someone. And with ‘em being hollow points, he could have put someone’s eye out.


5 posted on 11/28/2011 4:41:22 PM PST by Bob
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To: smokingfrog

Bethlehem is in PA, Phillipsburg in NJ, about 10 miles apart. Are hollow point bullets illegal in NJ?


6 posted on 11/28/2011 4:43:50 PM PST by MindBender26 (Stop bothering me with minor issues. I'm too busy trying to save our country from Obamaism)
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To: Bob

in Nevada they recommend CCW carriers use hollow points to avoid over penetration.


7 posted on 11/28/2011 4:47:53 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: smokingfrog

Oh Noes! Not those horrible hollow point bullets! They’re designed to kill police officers from 2 miles away and can go right through a foot of concrete!

I bet this nefarious perp rubbed the bullets with garlic, too!

/mega-sarc on a really cranky day.


8 posted on 11/28/2011 4:48:05 PM PST by DemforBush (Send lawyers, guns, and money. Dad get me out of this!)
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To: MindBender26
According to the comments, yes. You have to fill out all kinds of forms to purchase them and they must be carried in the trunk and you must be going to or from a range.

New Jersey is one of those Northeastern Nazi states.

I'm beginning to believe that we need to have a peaceful division of this country between the Southern and Western states that believe in freedom, liberty, and the Constitution and the Northern and West Coast states that believe in a European style police state.
9 posted on 11/28/2011 4:49:43 PM PST by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: MindBender26

It’s my understanding that you can have hollow point ammo in NJ but only in your own home, or if you are traveling to the gun range in your vehicle you may have it in a locked case.

The police are the only ones professional enough to use hollow point ammo in a real life-or-death situation. /s


10 posted on 11/28/2011 4:50:07 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Gasp, hollow points! I’ll bet the evil guy had some butter knives in his kitchen drawer as well. Scary...


11 posted on 11/28/2011 4:51:39 PM PST by Reagan is King
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To: smokingfrog

Only one of the stupidest. Read on.

http://nj.gov/njsp/about/firearms.html


12 posted on 11/28/2011 4:52:23 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: MindBender26

Yes, yes they are. I have heard they are completely illegal to civilians, there is a different side I read a few weeks back. They are treated like handguns themselves. Can’t transport them in arms reach in a car, but I think you can buy them, put the box in the trunk, and carry them directly home and load them in. Not sure which one is true, either way you can’t have them loaded in a magazine next to you in a car. STOOPID law


13 posted on 11/28/2011 4:56:24 PM PST by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: smokingfrog
He was arrested and charged with unlawful possession of 10 rounds of federal hydro shock ammunition.

Is this PA or NJ? I need to know, so I can add that state to the list of states I WILL NEVER ENTER AGAIN.

That list currently includes: CA, MA, CT, NY, IL.

14 posted on 11/28/2011 4:57:02 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: smokingfrog
Oh, my - 10(ten) .40 caliber short and weaks.

Everybody run for the hills.

15 posted on 11/28/2011 4:57:52 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: MindBender26

Looks like you can use hollow points for legal hunting too, although I think they would be usually be called “soft points. “ Hollow point bullets for rifles are often match grade bullets used for competitive target shooting, but don’t really expand. It’s clear that the people that wrote this law didn’t know very much about ammunition or ballistics.


16 posted on 11/28/2011 5:00:28 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Interesting. I wonder how they feel about hardened lead, LFN (long flat-nosed), fast traveling bullets over 300 grains? [Real western high country bullets.] ;-)


17 posted on 11/28/2011 5:01:11 PM PST by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: smokingfrog

More proof the 2A is not a right, but a privilege doled out at the descretion of the ruling class.


18 posted on 11/28/2011 5:01:29 PM PST by umgud
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To: backwoods-engineer

Phillipsburg is in New Jersey.


19 posted on 11/28/2011 5:02:21 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: GreatMan
Okay, it's Neutered Jersey.

New list of no-go-ever-again states:

NJ, CA, MA, CT, NY, IL.

20 posted on 11/28/2011 5:05:38 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: USNBandit
in Nevada they recommend CCW carriers use hollow points to avoid over penetration.

That sounds like a very good recommendation to me. (In a SHTF situation, I wouldn't think that you would be entirely certain of what might be behind your target. I'd worry that taking the time to do so could end up causing a fatal delay.)

21 posted on 11/28/2011 5:07:54 PM PST by Bob
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I have many of those evil bullets, but I only transport them to the range with my evil gun in my car both locked in a container with the bullets not in the gun or magazine if I bring the semi-auto.

I think I am not in violation of the law but since NJ gun laws are so confusing, I don’t know.

The only thing I am sure of is that no gang member in Newark, Camden or any other part of NJ gives a F—k about this law.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 5:08:04 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: familyop

That sounds like a ‘cop killer’ bullet to me.

/s


23 posted on 11/28/2011 5:08:20 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

The local constabulary probably expends that many rounds before their firearm clears their holster.


24 posted on 11/28/2011 5:09:09 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: smokingfrog

I was shocked when I first found out I could buy hollow point bullets in Washington State.


25 posted on 11/28/2011 5:11:04 PM PST by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: smokingfrog

Left Jersey for Virginia in about 1992. Hello, hollow points. Or anything interesting, for that matter. Still like my Browning Hi-Power, which is the first 9 mm I got after leaving Jersey.


26 posted on 11/28/2011 5:12:00 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: smokingfrog

AFAIK there’s no hunting with rifles in NJ - only shotguns, or, during primitive weapons season, muzzle-loaders. Bow hunting is very, very big, too.


27 posted on 11/28/2011 5:19:22 PM PST by I Shall Endure
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To: smokingfrog

Why would you waste hollow point rounds at a gun range? They are way more expensive than non-hollow point.


28 posted on 11/28/2011 5:19:56 PM PST by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: smokingfrog
Looks like you can use hollow points for legal hunting too, although I think they would be usually be called “soft points.

Soft points don't have "hollow points" (the hole in the end) so even though you think they are the same, they are not.

It’s clear that the people that wrote this law didn’t know very much about ammunition or ballistics.

Lot of that going around...

29 posted on 11/28/2011 5:20:31 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: gop4lyf

You should always periodically check the operation of your piece with the ammunition you’re going to use to fight with. There are possible differences between it and ball ammunition including failures to feed, eject, and changes in point of impact between the two types (admittedly this last tends to be negligible at most self-defense ranges but it’s still good do know). And you’re right, it ain’t cheap.


30 posted on 11/28/2011 5:27:02 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: BenLurkin

A Glock .40

Where have I heard that before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU


31 posted on 11/28/2011 5:27:48 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: BenLurkin

A Glock .40

Where have I heard that before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU


32 posted on 11/28/2011 5:27:52 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: BenLurkin

A Glock .40

Where have I heard that before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU


33 posted on 11/28/2011 5:27:52 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: neverdem

FYI


34 posted on 11/28/2011 5:30:07 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: smokingfrog
It’s my understanding that you can have hollow point ammo in NJ but only in your own home, or if you are traveling to the gun range in your vehicle you may have it in a locked case.

The police are the only ones professional enough to use hollow point ammo in a real life-or-death situation. /s

In effect you can have/use HPs anyplace that it's legal to have/use a firearm in New Jersey which is not very many. In addition to your list, I believe you can also have HPs at your place of business. You could use HPs to hunt if if were legal to hunt with a non-black-powder rifle in New Jersey which it is not, so that's a moot point.

And not ALL police can carry HPs. Retired LEOs can carry firearms in the People's Republic, but they can't carry HPs. Like most of the firearms laws here, it's idiotic. But anyone living in a border area of Pennsylvania should know about that.

35 posted on 11/28/2011 5:33:19 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: smokingfrog

“the people that wrote this law didn’t know very much”

That in itself... pretty much covers it.

LLS


36 posted on 11/28/2011 5:38:07 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: smokingfrog

I use .40 S&W EFMJ in New Jersey to “skirt” the hollow point issue.


37 posted on 11/28/2011 5:41:49 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Sudetenland

I couldn’t agree more.


38 posted on 11/28/2011 5:47:16 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: smokingfrog

LOL! It would seem that way to police state proponents (not you, of course) around large cities of the east. In the middle of nowhere in the West (here), they’re for the rare occasion of defending people or property (e.g., livestock) against large, dangerous predators. They’ll blow right through a large bear. WFN (wide, flat-nosed) are actually better for that, BTW. Good for any kind of defense, where there are no neighbors or other innocents within possible range (like here). The commonly high winds are also a consideration for preferring heavy, larger-bore ammo.

Haven’t needed them around here. The bear keep to themselves and haven’t passed closer than about a quarter mile from here (dung and tracks on their way to water and back).


39 posted on 11/28/2011 5:53:10 PM PST by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: I Shall Endure

What about varmint hunting?


40 posted on 11/28/2011 5:53:39 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: DJ Taylor

41 posted on 11/28/2011 5:53:51 PM PST by TSgt ("Romney" means "rino cult" in Kenyan)
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To: gop4lyf
Why would you waste hollow point rounds at a gun range?

I guess just to make sure they feed through your gun okay.

42 posted on 11/28/2011 5:57:02 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Renegade

Good idea!


43 posted on 11/28/2011 5:57:35 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: MileHi
Soft points don't have "hollow points" (the hole in the end) so even though you think they are the same, they are not.

I know they're not the same, but thought they might fall under the definition of dangerous/banned ammunition as defined by the Police State of New Jersey.

44 posted on 11/28/2011 6:04:18 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Is this PA or NJ? I need to know, so I can add that state to the list of states I WILL NEVER ENTER AGAIN.

That list currently includes: CA, MA, CT, NY, IL.

I have a similar list. I'm not going to give them my business nor will they ever get sales taxes from me.

45 posted on 11/28/2011 6:12:48 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: smokingfrog

I live near there, and can say without a doubt this is gross violation of the Consitution. One could miss an exit and be in NJ, and suddenly they are a felon. This law should be overturned.....heck, should have been overturned years ago.

NRA where are you?


46 posted on 11/28/2011 6:20:09 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: GreatMan

WARNING! Clicking on that link will drop your IQ by 40 points.


47 posted on 11/28/2011 6:22:00 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Is he going to get 1000 year life sentence for it for carrying those evil bullets?

Actually, they're cartridges.

.

.

48 posted on 11/28/2011 6:32:49 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

LOL - a while back they posted an article here about how people are buying firearms. In the article they said “bullets are flying off the shelves” and we were ROTF.


49 posted on 11/28/2011 6:35:32 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: DJ Taylor
Glock doesn't make a Model 40.

Glock models in .40 S&W are 22, 23, 27, and 35.

50 posted on 11/28/2011 6:38:53 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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