Posted on 11/28/2011 4:36:27 PM PST by smokingfrog
Police state.
The law is accomplishing exactly what its intended, make felons out of more and more people.
Is he going to get 1000 year life sentence for it for carrying those evil bullets?
Well, I suppose he could have thrown them at someone. And with ‘em being hollow points, he could have put someone’s eye out.
Bethlehem is in PA, Phillipsburg in NJ, about 10 miles apart. Are hollow point bullets illegal in NJ?
in Nevada they recommend CCW carriers use hollow points to avoid over penetration.
Oh Noes! Not those horrible hollow point bullets! They’re designed to kill police officers from 2 miles away and can go right through a foot of concrete!
I bet this nefarious perp rubbed the bullets with garlic, too!
/mega-sarc on a really cranky day.
It’s my understanding that you can have hollow point ammo in NJ but only in your own home, or if you are traveling to the gun range in your vehicle you may have it in a locked case.
The police are the only ones professional enough to use hollow point ammo in a real life-or-death situation. /s
Gasp, hollow points! I’ll bet the evil guy had some butter knives in his kitchen drawer as well. Scary...
Yes, yes they are. I have heard they are completely illegal to civilians, there is a different side I read a few weeks back. They are treated like handguns themselves. Can’t transport them in arms reach in a car, but I think you can buy them, put the box in the trunk, and carry them directly home and load them in. Not sure which one is true, either way you can’t have them loaded in a magazine next to you in a car. STOOPID law
Is this PA or NJ? I need to know, so I can add that state to the list of states I WILL NEVER ENTER AGAIN.
That list currently includes: CA, MA, CT, NY, IL.
Everybody run for the hills.
Looks like you can use hollow points for legal hunting too, although I think they would be usually be called “soft points. “ Hollow point bullets for rifles are often match grade bullets used for competitive target shooting, but don’t really expand. It’s clear that the people that wrote this law didn’t know very much about ammunition or ballistics.
Interesting. I wonder how they feel about hardened lead, LFN (long flat-nosed), fast traveling bullets over 300 grains? [Real western high country bullets.] ;-)
More proof the 2A is not a right, but a privilege doled out at the descretion of the ruling class.
Phillipsburg is in New Jersey.
New list of no-go-ever-again states:
NJ, CA, MA, CT, NY, IL.
That sounds like a very good recommendation to me. (In a SHTF situation, I wouldn't think that you would be entirely certain of what might be behind your target. I'd worry that taking the time to do so could end up causing a fatal delay.)
I have many of those evil bullets, but I only transport them to the range with my evil gun in my car both locked in a container with the bullets not in the gun or magazine if I bring the semi-auto.
I think I am not in violation of the law but since NJ gun laws are so confusing, I don’t know.
The only thing I am sure of is that no gang member in Newark, Camden or any other part of NJ gives a F—k about this law.
That sounds like a ‘cop killer’ bullet to me.
/s
The local constabulary probably expends that many rounds before their firearm clears their holster.
I was shocked when I first found out I could buy hollow point bullets in Washington State.
Left Jersey for Virginia in about 1992. Hello, hollow points. Or anything interesting, for that matter. Still like my Browning Hi-Power, which is the first 9 mm I got after leaving Jersey.
AFAIK there’s no hunting with rifles in NJ - only shotguns, or, during primitive weapons season, muzzle-loaders. Bow hunting is very, very big, too.
Why would you waste hollow point rounds at a gun range? They are way more expensive than non-hollow point.
Soft points don't have "hollow points" (the hole in the end) so even though you think they are the same, they are not.
It’s clear that the people that wrote this law didn’t know very much about ammunition or ballistics.
Lot of that going around...
You should always periodically check the operation of your piece with the ammunition you’re going to use to fight with. There are possible differences between it and ball ammunition including failures to feed, eject, and changes in point of impact between the two types (admittedly this last tends to be negligible at most self-defense ranges but it’s still good do know). And you’re right, it ain’t cheap.
FYI
The police are the only ones professional enough to use hollow point ammo in a real life-or-death situation. /s
In effect you can have/use HPs anyplace that it's legal to have/use a firearm in New Jersey which is not very many. In addition to your list, I believe you can also have HPs at your place of business. You could use HPs to hunt if if were legal to hunt with a non-black-powder rifle in New Jersey which it is not, so that's a moot point.
And not ALL police can carry HPs. Retired LEOs can carry firearms in the People's Republic, but they can't carry HPs. Like most of the firearms laws here, it's idiotic. But anyone living in a border area of Pennsylvania should know about that.
“the people that wrote this law didn’t know very much”
That in itself... pretty much covers it.
LLS
I use .40 S&W EFMJ in New Jersey to “skirt” the hollow point issue.
I couldn’t agree more.
LOL! It would seem that way to police state proponents (not you, of course) around large cities of the east. In the middle of nowhere in the West (here), they’re for the rare occasion of defending people or property (e.g., livestock) against large, dangerous predators. They’ll blow right through a large bear. WFN (wide, flat-nosed) are actually better for that, BTW. Good for any kind of defense, where there are no neighbors or other innocents within possible range (like here). The commonly high winds are also a consideration for preferring heavy, larger-bore ammo.
Haven’t needed them around here. The bear keep to themselves and haven’t passed closer than about a quarter mile from here (dung and tracks on their way to water and back).
What about varmint hunting?
I guess just to make sure they feed through your gun okay.
Good idea!
I know they're not the same, but thought they might fall under the definition of dangerous/banned ammunition as defined by the Police State of New Jersey.
That list currently includes: CA, MA, CT, NY, IL.
I have a similar list. I'm not going to give them my business nor will they ever get sales taxes from me.
I live near there, and can say without a doubt this is gross violation of the Consitution. One could miss an exit and be in NJ, and suddenly they are a felon. This law should be overturned.....heck, should have been overturned years ago.
NRA where are you?
WARNING! Clicking on that link will drop your IQ by 40 points.
Actually, they're cartridges.
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LOL - a while back they posted an article here about how people are buying firearms. In the article they said “bullets are flying off the shelves” and we were ROTF.
Glock models in .40 S&W are 22, 23, 27, and 35.
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