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The above is heavily redacted from the link. I would be interested in Freepers' thoughtful and helpful comments, after they read the *entire* (very long) post by Mr Harris.

BTW, Mr Harris *is* the notorious, aggressive atheist, but that is besides the point, for this posting. Please try to leave his atheistic views out of your comments.

1 posted on 11/20/2011 1:26:40 PM PST by bkopto
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I have trained with the same school Gerald Celnte has for the last 6 years.

Www.attack proof.com.


2 posted on 11/20/2011 1:28:35 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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3 posted on 11/20/2011 1:29:37 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (For years the Left protested "the occupation of Iraq"- now they want to "Occupy" all across the US)
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#2 is pure BS. If you give up your property you are still a witness.

Injuring them quickly is a better move because that creates a likelihood they will be caught and now if they manage to kill you the charges against them will be greater.

4 posted on 11/20/2011 1:32:38 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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It's a very thoughtful article. Most notably for the observation that our first inclination, to stand and fight, is usually counterproductive.

I hope I have the presence of mind to avoid risking my life to save a car or camera.

5 posted on 11/20/2011 1:33:33 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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Bump


6 posted on 11/20/2011 1:35:03 PM PST by call meVeronica
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Sorry, but very little actual truth in there. There’s no set state code on defense of property. All states differ.


7 posted on 11/20/2011 1:36:42 PM PST by 1L
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I read most of the article trying to understand where the author is coming from.

The guy seems like a wuss to me. Am I going to stand by and let thugs or anarchists destroy my property, not if by using superior firepower I can back them down.

Defending one's property doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy a life.

People assume too often that by letting the bad guy go or get away with criminal behavior in the effort of self-preservation that they are doing the right thing. To me, there is a great chance that by eliminating the threat to myself I can save somebody else who would in turn be a victim had the perp gotten away.

To me it is a mind set.

Article had some good stats though.

8 posted on 11/20/2011 1:49:51 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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Knees are designed to bend ONE way. Make them bend in any of the other three ways, and you can do what you want.


9 posted on 11/20/2011 1:50:27 PM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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Three rules of self defense, as taught by my instructor in Tae Kwon Do:

1. If the enemy cannot see, he cannot fight. Strike the eyes, of the bridge of the nose.
2. If the enemy cannot breathe, he cannot fight. Strike the diaphragm.
3. If the enemy cannot stand, he cannot fight. Strike the knees.

Good advice 20 years ago, and it has stood the test of time.


11 posted on 11/20/2011 1:59:31 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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>Principle #2: Do not defend your property.

Slaves are made in such ways...


12 posted on 11/20/2011 2:05:22 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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Number 1 seems to make a lot of sense to me. I can see some truth in number 2 but it is basically wrong.

I remember something Socrates is quoted as saying, and this is not his exact words, but he had been criticized for constantly looking around him and staring at people. He said that is the only reason he survived some battle when a lot of Athenians were killed because they were simply running away.

I think me meant basically be on the lookout or always be aware of what is going on around you.

There really are times when running away is the best idea and other times when you should stand your ground, just don’t ask me exactly what those are.

Also as much as possible, be armed.


13 posted on 11/20/2011 2:12:40 PM PST by yarddog
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Here’s what I’ve been teaching my kids, who are still quite young, but it will save them huge amounts of heartache and trouble if they obey. STAY AWAY FROM ANY PLACE WHOSE MAIN FUNCTION IS TO PROVIDE ALCOHOL. I’m no teetotaler, but people do crazy, stupid, and dangerous things when they’re drunk, and it’s even worse when they’re surrounded by other drunks.


14 posted on 11/20/2011 2:17:49 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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read: In the Gravest Extreme: The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection (9780936279008): Massad F. Ayoob: Books.

it's considered the Bible of self protection with firearms...

15 posted on 11/20/2011 2:24:42 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Whatever your physical skills, when you commit to using force against another person, your overriding goal is still to escape. Even if you are at home, in possession of a firearm, and well trained to use it, when confronted by an intruder your best defense is to get out of the house as quickly as possible. In such a circumstance, a gun is a means of ensuring that no one can block your exit.

Bullshit, shoot the perp, twice and look for the next target.

I would never think of running out of my house if I'm in possession of any of my guns and someone has broken in.

This guy is not giving advice that I'd ever take.

He also says if a group of vandals are destroying your car to leave and call the police, that you don't want to shoot a teenager over an act of vandalism.

That depends on the immediate danger to me and my family.

If I felt that the destruction of the car was act one, and my destruction was act two, I'd have no remorse at shooting even if they later were identified to be teenagers.

At the point of my life being threatened, the perps age is of no concern to me.

16 posted on 11/20/2011 2:29:21 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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I disagree with No.2 In today’s world pacifism will get you killed faster then offensive reaction. With 3 strike laws and psychopathic criminals being set free you’re a liability to them if left alive. Many of these animals will kill for sport. Many gang initiation rights include killing too.

Now if you’re in a situation and your situational awareness was so sloppy you are under direct threat of being killed/injured by an attacker your best option to stay alive is a strong reactive offense making them back off or stop. The life you save may be that of your family.


17 posted on 11/20/2011 2:30:24 PM PST by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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Liberal pacifist rules of self-non-defense.


19 posted on 11/20/2011 2:45:21 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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Principle #1: Avoid dangerous people and dangerous places.

Understand that in doing so you may be ceding territory to those who will only want more in the future, eventually that which is yours.

Principle #2: Do not defend your property.

Understand that the right to have and hold property is basic to a civilized society and that defense of your property may be defense of your civilization.

Principle #3: Respond immediately and escape.

Understand that a sufficiently decisive response may allow a leisurely and safer escape.

23 posted on 11/20/2011 2:59:39 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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“You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.”
— Colonel Jeff Cooper

I don’t believe the government stats that show violent crime decreasing. I believe there is ongoing manipulation of data driven by political correctness.

I also believe that today there is a greater chance of becoming a target of hate based racial aggression. Thanks to Obama and Holder there is more pure hate and resentment walking the streets than ever before in our lifetimes.

Non-engagement tactics may work with attackers who are only after your car stereo, your billfold, or emergency cash stashed at home. But they aren’t likely to work as well with attackers who hate you for who you are and what you are.

Think about the recent race based attacks on whites during black street rampages like the ones at the Wisconsin State Fair in Milwaukee.

The general advice in this article to avoid high risk areas and situations is good. But we still have to live - we can’t hide in a cellar.

If you are in a corner or being attacked in your home there is no guarantee running away will improve the situation. In that case I hope you live in a state that has a “castle” law.


25 posted on 11/20/2011 3:22:06 PM PST by Iron Munro (Ben Raines For President)
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The problem with fighting when you could safely run away is that you might LOSE THE FIGHT.

A gun is not a magic wand. Having one does not insure that you will not be injured or killed.

Imagine the disappointment should you draw your gun and attempt to fire only to have your weapon jam, especially if you could have escaped in those same few seconds.

Imagine the disappointment should you draw your gun and fire, only to see the attacker still coming at you and now drawing a gun of his own which you hadn't seen.

Imagine the disappointment should you draw your gun and fire several times, only to see that your attacker was not alone but has two accomplices.

You are never going to have perfect knowledge of what is going to happen. If running away provides you the best chance of being in control of your own destiny, then that is the course to choose.

29 posted on 11/20/2011 3:41:50 PM PST by William Tell
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plus there's an old saying... RUN from a knife, CLOSE on a gun.
34 posted on 11/20/2011 3:53:01 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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