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Karl Rove and others circle wagons to (try to) save the GOP
Washington Post ^ | 10/26/11 | Jonathan Capehart

Posted on 10/26/2011 9:20:55 AM PDT by Kartographer

Karl Rove has been rather chatty of late. He’s taken a hammer to Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) over the birther nonsense and to Herman Cain for basic unpreparedness. MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell thought Rove was “trying to circle the wagons around Mitt Romney as an inevitable nominee.” While I saw where he was coming from, I had a different take. Rove isn’t circling the wagons around Romney. He’s circling the wagons around the Republican Party as a legitimate political party in the United States.

Rove is not alone in this endeavor.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: backstabberrove; kolobianrove; kolobrino; rove4backstabber; rove4romney; rove4rove; rovevsgop; rovevsteaparty; smellslikemitt; tokyorove
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STAMPEDE!!!

1 posted on 10/26/2011 9:21:02 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Rove is the modern equivalent of the WHIG party in the 1850’s...bye Karl!!


2 posted on 10/26/2011 9:23:29 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Kartographer

The Rockefeller wing has incited a purge, and most of them are too damned stupid to lie low a cycle.


3 posted on 10/26/2011 9:27:58 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Birther nonsense, eh, WP?

Evidently, you clowns are still using IBM PCs with 48 k memory.

You might try coming into the 21st century, take some simple CS classes, the wake up and smell the faked birth certificates.

Sorry, that’s just the way it is, and journallism degrees are soooooo passe these days.


4 posted on 10/26/2011 9:29:55 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Kartographer

RINO love.

http://t1.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/06/94/16/400_F_6941677_RhacCEb2MZduo4sKy8NZFOszMleHaSZr.jpg


5 posted on 10/26/2011 9:31:45 AM PDT by Leep
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To: Kartographer

Republican Party - an extinct American political party which was done in by the incompetence of Karl Rove in the early 21st. Century


6 posted on 10/26/2011 9:38:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: wmfights; All; Kartographer

Here’s the truth, Mr Rove. Romney will lose because at least 25% of base conservatives — like me — will refuse to vote for him for anything ever.

Now, roll that around in your brain for a bit and decide what you want to do. If you keep pushing Romney, then I’m sure you want Obama to remain president for whatever reason that might be.

I am going with some conservative other than Romney in the general. Buy a clue. Romney will lose. Proceed at your own peril.


7 posted on 10/26/2011 9:39:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Kartographer

Primaries have become a gong show where the flavor of the month is batsh’t. Bring back the smoke filled rooms at the convention.


8 posted on 10/26/2011 9:41:13 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Kartographer
He’s circling the wagons around the Republican Party as a legitimate political party in the United States.

He's not afraid the GOP will lose in 2012. He's afraid that the party, led by Tea Partiers, will win. That leaves out the RINOs as unnecessary. Better for RINOs that the 0bummer wins; they've played that symphony before, and they already know the second-fiddle part.

9 posted on 10/26/2011 9:42:26 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Kartographer

Alternate universe these libtards and RINOs live on.

Karl Rove = 2006 and 2008 massive losses.

Tea Party = 2010 massive victories.

But Karl Rove is going to rescue the GOP from the Tea Party.

LOL!


10 posted on 10/26/2011 9:43:39 AM PDT by nhwingut (Draft Palin '12... For 3rd Party Run)
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To: Kartographer
Rove's pushing for Romney as most of the Bush folks did in 2008.
11 posted on 10/26/2011 9:43:46 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Perry and Cain I can support, but no Romney)
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To: Kartographer

We DO need to save the GOP..from RINO’s. If Rove gets his way then Republicans will become Democrat Light...... Romney must not be the Republican Nominee!!!!


12 posted on 10/26/2011 9:45:29 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Kartographer

13 posted on 10/26/2011 9:45:55 AM PDT by McGruff (Hold the House, take the Senate.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
... bye Karl!!

I don't think so.

Bozo Hannity and Ted Baxter will continue to give him a platform, over and over and over ... and then ... over and over and over again.

14 posted on 10/26/2011 9:46:33 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: Kartographer
Karl Rove and others circle wagons to (try to) save the GOP their meal ticket

Fixed it.

15 posted on 10/26/2011 9:47:26 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: xzins

You nailed it. I’m so sick of people saying, “Anybody but obama, and if you don’t vote for ‘anybody’ you ensure four more years of this.” It is not anybody but obama, and if the GOP floats a RINO I will not vote for him. If obama gets another four years it’s not because of me, it’s because of the GOP.

As I keep saying: Both parties are steering us toward socialism, it’s just that one party is driving a little faster than the other. It is for this reason that I will not vote for a RINO pres, even if it means four more years of obama. I believe a revolution is in our midst. If obama gets reelected because of voters like me, I will be able to fight in that revolution. If a RINO is elected because conservatives hold their noses and vote for the RINO, my children will have to fight the revolution. I would rather fight that battle for them.


16 posted on 10/26/2011 9:47:53 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ex-snook
Primaries have become a gong show where the flavor of the month is batsh’t.

I wish "Gene Gene the Dancing Machine" was running


17 posted on 10/26/2011 9:49:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Jonathon. You socialist democrats ought to be worrying about the mess your own party is in. The GOP will sort itself out soon enough. The facts show the more the american people learn about obama the lower his pole numbers go. The socialist democrats are trying desperately to promote this as racial prejudice. But that is just another LIBERAL LIE. The american people will decide the issues. Not you, the socialist democrats or various people you mention. The facts are Obama, supported by the socialist democrats and his MSM supporters, have not been truthful with the american people. They have attacked instead of produced. This only leads to more mistrust. This will all come to a head in 2012 when the american people make obama and the socialist democrats pay a heavy political price for lying to the them.


18 posted on 10/26/2011 9:51:51 AM PDT by spawn44
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To: Kartographer

Dear Karl

And the horse you rode in on.


19 posted on 10/26/2011 9:51:54 AM PDT by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: Kartographer

“While I saw where he was coming from, I had a different take. Rove isn’t circling the wagons around Romney. He’s circling the wagons around the Republican Party as a legitimate political party in the United States.”

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20 posted on 10/26/2011 9:53:24 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Kartographer

Why Mr. Capehart, I do believe I pick up the scent of fear on you? What are you so scared of Mr. Capehart? Why does Herman Cain vex you so?


21 posted on 10/26/2011 9:53:39 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Kartographer

Shut up Karl.


22 posted on 10/26/2011 9:56:44 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Psalm 144
Cain: "The RINO people wouldn't let us join they're circle, so we made our own!"


23 posted on 10/26/2011 9:56:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goodwithagun

The Constitution Party will be my second choice. They have a few things I don’t like, but none of them having to do with Life, Guns, God, Family, Marriage, Borders, or Taxes.


24 posted on 10/26/2011 9:59:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: dfwgator

Must be as old as me if you remember that! That show was a lot of fun.


25 posted on 10/26/2011 10:05:18 AM PDT by Obadiah (I am an official program sponsor of The Mitt Busters.)
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To: Kartographer

I, for one, read the column in its entirety. (Just felt the need to post it here).


26 posted on 10/26/2011 10:09:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Kartographer

Rove and Ed Gillespie are in cahoots to raise money in the Soros-type numbers for their beloved Mike Castle type candidates everywhere. What Rove is really trying to save is the Vote Buying Big Government Progressivism on the Republican side. It’s time to circle the target on Rove, and expose him as the Progressivist Big Government Loving “Republican” he truly is. And for all the appropriate charges leveled at Democrats for being responsible for the Housing Crisis, lest we forget that disaster has plenty of Republican Fingerprints all over it too. Namely, “Dubya” himself. Here’s what “Dubya” Bush had to say at a “White House Conference on Increasing Minority Homeownership” in 2002 about making housing more affordable to narrow the “Ownership Gap” he saw as problematic:

“An ownership society is a compassionate society. Two-thirds of all Americans own their homes, yet we have a problem here in America because fewer than half of the Hispanics and half the African Americans own their homes. That’s a homeownership gap. It’s a gap that we’ve got to work together to close for the good of our country, for the sake of a more hopeful future. We’ve got to work to knock down the barriers that have created a homeownership gap. I set an ambitious goal. It’s one that I believe we can achieve. It’s a clear goal, that by the end of this decade we’ll increase the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families.”

I ask you - what’s the difference between that mission and anything the Democrats wanted to do? So Rove & Dubya, ever looking to Buy Votes anywhere they can so they can be in “gubmint” forever, decided to sign on wholeheartedly to the very housing disease which destroyed the US Economy, all in an effort to buy off constituents because he said his “Conservatism” was “Compassionate”. Bankers even joked that “Dubya” (and this means Rove too) was so fevered with making this housing so affordable ASAP that these bankers coined the tongue-in-cheek acronym “NINJA” to describe the criteria Bush & Rove wanted them to apply: No Income, No Jobs or Assets - it’s no problem. “Get them in homes so they’ll vote for Dubya!!” And the irony is this was the very policy which forced him to sign TARP - the Bank Nationalization Bill - while mumbling he had to “abandon” his “free market” principles to save the free market”. Does anyone think he saved it??? This was just like the Bush Rovian attempt to buy Seniors with a brand new entitlement, Part D Medicare; just like their massive push for Amnesty in 2005, which failed because of true Conservatives (like Tom Delay) in the House. And lest we forget No Child Left Behind, the very legislation responsible for Atlanta teachers having weekend garden parties and all of them just “passing” students unbeknownst to them, so as not to lose the Bush Rove largesse from that legislation. There was no vote Rove & Bush didn’t wanna try to buy.

Rove has never made any kind of speech or claim that lower taxes are correct on principle because people ought to keep more of their own money because they’ve earned it. Roves point in lowering SOME tax rates is to generate more money into “gubmint” so Progressive Republicans like him can start a spending spree to buy as many votes as they can so they can stay in “gubmint” ad infinitum. It’s time he gets called on the phony he is. If we don’t, he’ll be the biggest detriment to Tea party candidates than the Left ever could be.


27 posted on 10/26/2011 10:09:32 AM PDT by antonico
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To: Kartographer

Why are they (Rino’s/Rove/GOP leadership) worried???

Hell they;’ve hitched their wagon to a loser from the previous presidential election cycle, just because it’s supposed to be Romneys turn!!!

This WILL be the end of that nonsense, and give us another 4 years of Obama...They’ve been screwing this process up since the Republicans started losing seats in 2004...

I have a good feeling that this is going to be more than a defining moment in American politics...

We are going to see another 4 years of Obama, with a continued feckless “psuedo-conservative right”, or we’ll see the rejection of that and a replacement of the status quo...

Its going to take a lot of political courage from the few elected officials who are representing us properly, and the electorate (basically us) to get this done...

I don’t think we have this condition,and I don’t think we’ll get it before this next election...

I’m sorry, but that is just the way I see it...

And I would love to be proven wrong at that time...


28 posted on 10/26/2011 10:09:51 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: nhwingut

I like your tagline and agree.

http://grizzlyfest.com/


29 posted on 10/26/2011 10:15:39 AM PDT by upsdriver ( http://grizzlyfest.com/)
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To: xzins; All; Kartographer
Here’s the truth, Mr Rove.Romney will lose because at least 25% of base conservatives — like me — will refuse to vote for him for anything ever.

I was explaining this to a liberal friend who thinks obama is done. He was stunned. Then I explained how Pro-Lifers vote and why. We are pragmatic up to a point, but we will never vote for a pro-abortion nominee.

I would think that after Romney refused to back the Pubs in Ohio a lot of fiscal conservatives will think twice about supporting him.

Rove is a brilliant tactician in messaging and issue identification. However, he comes from that blue blood elitist wing of the Pub party that doesn't like social conservatives, or the great unwashed main street crowd. If the Pubs blow it either because of open primaries, or because the conservatives split their vote between Perry and Cain we could end up with a third party that propels the Rats back into dominance. I'm convinced the "blue bloods" would prefer the Rats are in charge rather than a bunch of middle class heathens.

30 posted on 10/26/2011 10:20:42 AM PDT by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights

“I’m convinced the “blue bloods” would prefer the Rats are in charge rather than a bunch of middle class heathens.”

Exactly! They are liberals, cheap ass liberals, but liberals none the less and they will vote accordingly where conservatives are involved.

Should a non-elitist approved candidate win the primary they will not be supported and should they win the general election the Republican liberals will throw in with the democrat liberals and not bat an eye in doing so to oppose the conservative, write it down.


31 posted on 10/26/2011 10:28:52 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: wmfights
I'm convinced the "blue bloods" would prefer the Rats are in charge rather than a bunch of middle class heathens.

I totally agree. The Rinos prefer Obama to a conservative.

One of the things I like about Cain, Perry, Bachman, Gingrich, and Santorum is that none of them come from blue-blood families.

Romney was born with a Nelson Rockefeller silver spoon in his mouth.

32 posted on 10/26/2011 10:29:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: wmfights
RedState.com has a post on this today. While the blog post noted that the nominee should be Perry, the writer (Aaron Gardner) makes a good point. That all of this nit-picking over ideological purity is going to hand the country to the progressives for four more years.

The root of this is not an irrational emotion or a desire to down play our opportunity and ability to overcome. No, the root is that, as Burke once said, “It is sometimes as hard to persuade slaves to be free, as it is to compel freemen to be slaves.” More here...

33 posted on 10/26/2011 10:31:53 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: Kartographer

Hey Karl, we Tea Party “folk” are going to take the party away from you. You’re going the way of the dinosaur my friend. Better sock some of that money your making as a supposed “independent” consultant on Fox News, you know, the one you go on and pretend you don’t have a horse in the race on ?


34 posted on 10/26/2011 10:33:59 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Kartographer
Simple rule of thumb; if Rove is against it, I'm for it. Rove is a chubby little RINO baby.


35 posted on 10/26/2011 10:38:46 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: antonico
I ask you - what’s the difference between that mission and anything the Democrats wanted to do? So Rove & Dubya, ever looking to Buy Votes anywhere they can so they can be in “gubmint” forever, decided to sign on wholeheartedly to the very housing disease which destroyed the US Economy, all in an effort to buy off constituents because he said his “Conservatism” was “Compassionate”.

That's the bottom line of the "compassionate conservatism" (R) of Manor Bush, invented imho by Karl Rove.

I think the premise is, "we can't win unless we get a split of the Democrats' bloc votes, so we'll race 'em to the bottom in a bidding war for the most benighted and feckless votes in the land."

36 posted on 10/26/2011 10:56:03 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Scythian
You're right. Karl Rove needs to pull a roll out of his sock and buy himself a maintenance-paid high-rise condo in Costa Rica, one of those shiny new ones they put up for people like him.
37 posted on 10/26/2011 10:58:50 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Kartographer
Related thread.

Jeb Bush denounces birtherism

38 posted on 10/26/2011 10:59:19 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: bullypulpit
No, the root is that, as Burke once said, “It is sometimes as hard to persuade slaves to be free, as it is to compel freemen to be slaves.”

I agree with this statement, but my interpretation is a little different as applied to this upcoming election. I think that anyone who says we have to vote for the most (presumably) "electable" candidate in order to get "anyone but Obama" IS a slave. If we don't get to choose who we will vote for, but instead have it chosen for us by a bunch of gutless traitors, then what are we but slaves? If we are too afraid to vote for a candidate that we actually like, instead of one that is slightly less horrible than the other party, then what are we but slaves?

A huge part of the problem in this day and age is that we accept, without question, the premise that our "elected" officials have ultimate authority over us and we have to accept everything they do. That is what drives our fear, induces us to vote for the least evil candidate in the hopes that he will stomp on our throats the most gently.

Our elected officials should be following our Constitution and the will of the people out of sheer fear of our response if they don't. Instead, we fear them and therefore they do whatever they want. Think about it - neither Left nor Right is happy with what the government is doing now, so where is the government getting its power? I'll tell you where - from our fear. Until the government fears US, we will all continue to be slaves.

My philosophy: vote for whom you like. Then, regardless of who wins, hold the officeholders accountable for their actions. If they take actions to tear this country apart, then we tear them apart. Period.
39 posted on 10/26/2011 11:16:42 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: xzins

Someone on an earlier thread said that if Romney got the nod, that Palin and Trump would form a 3rd Party. Hey, I’m down for it. I’m tired of there not being a friggin’ dime’s worth of difference between the corrupt Dems and the corrupt Pubbies. I’ve been on the inside of political campaigns and I tell you the truth; they are brutally two-faced and power hungry. Most of them would cut their mother’s throat to keep their power and money.


40 posted on 10/26/2011 11:24:12 AM PDT by no dems (Gingrich/Cain: The Dream Ticket in 2012 !)
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To: no dems; All

If they do manage to force Romney down our throats, and Palin/Trump form a 3rd Party run because of it (as is the word on the proverbial street), I’ll go with Palin/Trump.


41 posted on 10/26/2011 11:42:04 AM PDT by no dems (Gingrich/Cain: The Dream Ticket in 2012 !)
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To: xzins

Amen to that.


42 posted on 10/26/2011 11:51:34 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: xzins
One of the things I like about Cain, Perry, Bachman, Gingrich, and Santorum is that none of them come from blue-blood families.

I'm with you! One of the things that really hurt George Bush was he would not get down in the trenches and fight if he thought it demeaned his office. He proposed a lot of good things that didn't go anywhere because he wouldn't fight. Also, he refused to respond to a lot of the garbage that was said about him and in the end those negatives became the perception.

We need a POTUS who has core beliefs he will fight for even if the Pubs control Congress.

43 posted on 10/26/2011 12:21:07 PM PDT by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: bullypulpit
... as Burke once said, “It is sometimes as hard to persuade slaves to be free, as it is to compel freemen to be slaves.”

Other than Romney we will be okay with just about any of the candidates. I think Perry is the guy, but I would be comfortable with Bachmann, Santorum, even Paul. Cain & Gingrich I'm not so sure about.

44 posted on 10/26/2011 12:25:25 PM PDT by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: no dems; xzins
Someone on an earlier thread said that if Romney got the nod, that Palin and Trump would form a 3rd Party. Hey, I’m down for it.

I've always argued in favor of changing the party from within, but for the POTUS why not vote 3rd party. Romney supported everything I'm against when he was in power. I can't and won't vote for him.

45 posted on 10/26/2011 12:30:37 PM PDT by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights
... rather than a bunch of middle class heathens. faithful Judeo-Christian believers.

There, fixed it.

46 posted on 10/26/2011 2:39:49 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Kartographer
It's long past time for these people to be utterly crushed.

At this point, I will vote for the strongest candidate from the GOP field who is not named Mitt Romney. Defeating Romney is now more important to me that defeating Obama.
47 posted on 10/26/2011 2:43:31 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: bullypulpit

“That all of this nit-picking over ideological purity is going to hand the country to the progressives for four more years.”

If we have to choose between a progressivik with a D next to his name, or a progressivik with an R next to his name, then we truly have no choice.


48 posted on 10/26/2011 4:22:12 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Paul Ross
Good fix!

I think that is a big part of it.

49 posted on 10/26/2011 4:47:02 PM PDT by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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