Posted on 10/01/2011 8:12:23 AM PDT by Kevmo
Test on E-Cat Will Be Conducted on Oct 6th in Bologna, Italy with Invited Academics
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October E-Cat Demonstration
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Daniele Passarini has posted a copy of a letter sent by Dr. Franco Sicogna to the European Patent Office inviting representatives to attend a demonstration of one of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat modules. The letter reads in part:
“With reference to the subject-matter of the application in re, we wish to inform you that an experiment run by the inventor, Mr. Andrea Rossi on a module of a 1MW plant will take place on October 6th, 2011 in Bologna (IT) in a laboratory made available by the University of Bologna .
“This experiment will be attended by professors from the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, as well as professors in Physics from the USA, China, Japan, France, Great Britain, Greece, Russia and Italy. An official report will be published and made available on the Internet at a later date.”
There is certainly an air of confidence about this whole event — it would be very foolhardy to invite experts in physics to an event like this, as well as patent inspectors, if there was a chance that it would not work .
There’s no mention here of an experiment in Uppsala, Sweden which Rossi has been talking about. Perhaps there is private testing going on there, or maybe there’s been a change of plans, but regardless, it looks like with such an invitation sent out this Bologna event is set in stone; there’s no going back now!
Which information will, I assume, be available at a time closer to the performance of that test, or shortly thereafter.
Remember, Rossi has had prototype E-cats out with various potential customers under secrecy agreements, so the buyer of this prototype may well have already done sufficient internal testing to make the decision.
Not quite. Rossi has said such a system should be tested within a year.
What will the E-Cat’s impact be on the trajectory of the price of oil?
As discussed in previous posts, the price of oil is much higher than the extraction costs of the most easily extracted reserves. The owners of these reserves are taxing the oil and accumulating enormous wealth. It is interesting to speculate on what will happen to the price of oil over time.
Imagine that you are the king of Saudi Arabia. You own a large percentage of the world’s most easily extracted oil reserves. You have persuaded the OPEC nations that they should participate in a scheme to raise the price of oil at the rate that optimizes revenue for them and you by balancing the rate at which they allow oil to be delivered to the advanced economies with the need to avoid destroying economic growth. (In the 1970s, they got greedy and raised the price so rapidly that they caused a global recession.)
Part of the reason they can keep the price of oil high is the fear that we will run out of oil at some point in the future. To some extent, the price they can achieve is limited by the cost of extraction of reserves that are more difficult to extract. Deep sea drilling and oil shale deposits can be used as sources of oil, but the cost of extraction is much higher than for Saudi Arabian reserves. OPEC can drive prices up to maximize the net present value of their wealth, but only to the level at which oil companies can extract oil from the other sources profitably.
Now consider what happens when the E-Cat comes along. Suddenly the fear of running out of oil is gone. The fear of running out of nickel is many years, if not centuries, in the future. The king of Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC now have a very different maximization function. The expected market price of oil five years from now is certainly no more than the price that would make energy from oil the same price as energy from the E-Cat. I will call this the Oil-E-Cat equilibrium price for future reference. Suppose for the moment that even the most easily extracted oil cannot be extracted for this price. The king of Saudi Arabia is now faced with the reality that any oil not extracted within five years is going to be worth no more than the sands of his desert. He will certainly react by pumping a lot more oil and charging a lot less.
If he charges more than the Oil-E-Cat Equilibrium Price, he is just providing an incentive to the world to convert to E-Cats faster than they would otherwise. So I expect that he would lower the price to what he anticipates the Oil-E-Cat Equilibrium price to be. The result is that the energy price benefit expected from the E-Cat is achieved almost overnight! In short, I expect the price of oil to drop precipitously as soon as the oil market players understand the real potential of the E-Cat. Any of you gamblers out there, if you really believe that the E-Cat is as good as it looks, now is the time to sell oil futures short.
Paul Bennett
This is the third post in a series written by Paul Bennett, PhD candidate in economics at George Mason University.
“2- The cost of electric energy should be around 1 cent of $ / kWh, while the cost of electric power should be around 2 k$/kW
3- For now the foes of this technology are just trying to discredit it paying few dollars to some snake (this is time of economic crisis, you know…). They did not yet understand the psychological and cultural structure of myself. When they will understand that they are just shooting tennis balls to a tank, they will do what you say. And will be disappointed on me.
Warm Regards,
A.R “
"3- For now the foes of this technology are just trying to discredit it paying few dollars to some snake (this is time of economic crisis, you know…). They did not yet understand the psychological and cultural structure of myself. When they will understand that they are just shooting tennis balls to a tank, they will do what you say. And will be disappointed on me."
Not sure what point(s) you're trying to make here. Clarify, please.
Maybe something is lost in translation but what's the difference between power and energy in Rossi’s comment.
“Fuel is hydrogen and nickel (both abundant) and the by-products are copper and energy.”
Alchemy!!
“Many are sceptical and simply don’t believe it.”
I’m one of them. The world has seen too many false ‘miracle’ energy sources that ended up phony, that it would be foolhardy to NOT be skeptical.
But it would be cool if it were true.
If his data prove the reality of CF, you can bet that there will be competitors in VERY short order. There are several other somewhat different approaches that are showing repeatable results, with, IMO, sufficient differences to get around Rossi's patent. And if CF is shown to be real, you can bet that a effort will also be initiated in the Pd/D2 system.
"Maybe something is lost in translation but what's the difference between power and energy in Rossi’s comment."
I think he's talking cost/unit of energy in one case, and installation capital cost in the other.
Separate money from the gullible.
You've got a point. David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear in less than an hour.
September 30, 2011 Andrea Rossi has apparently scheduled a demonstration of a 1 MW (megawatt) e-cat cold fusion plant for October 6 in Bologna, Italy. This demonstration is supposed to be attended by professors of physics from all over the world according to a letter that Professor Franco Ciogna
Considering the importance of this huge magical event, can't anyone spell this man's name correctly?
Spot on.
Classic fallacy: Mixed metaphors, also Invalid Analogy.
Take a critical thinking class.
Why a test of only 24 hours?
***You’ll need to ask Rossi
Reminds me of when Scientific American magazine refused to publish the Wright Brothers’ article because heavier than air flight was impossible.
Don’t forget the additional difference that Geraldo is simply a freepin’ idiot.
Your result for The Which Stupid Creature Are You Test...
You scored 31% fire, 51% water, 37% air, and 26% earth!
Moonboy:
Separate money from the gullible.
Dabnabitt:
Spot on.
***Then take my money, SEAgull
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No, but at least one of his suppliers has, and had it approved.
John Gaughan described how the trick works in US Patent #5,354,238.[1][4] According to the patent, the performer is supported by a pair of arrays of fine wires that remain invisible to the viewing audience.[5] The wires are less than 1 mm thick, but can support 100 kg each. The wire arrays are mounted at the hips, near the human center of mass, to a harness worn under the clothing. This creates a balance point facilitating a wide range of movements while suspended. The wires are attached to a complex computer-controlled rig above the stage that maintains the tension in each, and keeps each array of wires perpendicular to the viewing audience. During the later phases of the performance, two hoops are used simultaneously, which aids the deception as the hoops do not come into contact with the wires. Instead, each ring is brought flush to the wires before being twisted under Copperfield. In the glass box demonstration, the top of the box is threaded between the two sets of wires in a vertical position, before being rotated ninety degrees and lowered into place. The wires remain in place while the performer is in the glass box, passing through crevices between the lid and the sides. Since the box limits movement and he is only able to rotate on one axis, he stays side-on to the front of the audience while in the box. When flying with a volunteer, he holds her in front of him, and she does not come into contact with the set-up.Besides, anybody can file for a patent.
Considering the importance of this huge magical event, can’t anyone spell this man’s name correctly?
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When your boss gives you a huge assignment on the eve of your vacation, is it your priority to make sure he has enough toilet paper in the Executive Washroom?
When a comet comes down about to destroy most living creatures on the planet, is it your priority to make sure you get that refund on the Girl Scout cookies that didn’t have enough coconut?
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