Posted on 09/14/2011 4:23:30 AM PDT by marktwain
Debates among Republican presidential contenders have completely ignored what should be a litmus test issue for all who wish to be considered for the office—not just by gun owners, but by all Americans: What will they do to determine the truth about “Project Gunwalker”?
We know that the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has been holding hearings with at least two more slated for sometime later this year. And we know that Attorney General Eric Holder has directed the Office of Inspector General to conduct an investigation under authority of the Department of Justice. These efforts should proceed, albeit with the understanding that they have inherent limitations: The House hearings have been plagued with unresolved (and as yet unpunished) stonewalling and apparent lies, dissension among its partisan members, and attacks by citizen disarmament advocates and administration apologists in the media—the lines between them blurred. And the OIG has an automatic organizational conflict of interest, not to mention an established history of deliberate indifference to whistleblower concerns.
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Gunwalker ping.
While I think that whole gunwalker stuff, the actual program, and now the stone walling is terrible, I would rather have our candidates focus on how to dismantle and reverse Obama’s programs, policies and decisions.
I know it’s horrible, but focusing on that stuff with anything more than campaign lip service is a waste of time for this issue as it will take months and even a year or so to sort through. Sure, it is horrible and even considerably criminal, but it’s just an endemic symptom of an inept administration appointing inept people (READ: Eric Holder).
Has it even been brought up?
Any Republican candidate should be stating that if elected, there will be a huge shake up at DOJ. And he will press for a special prosecutor and let the chips fall where they may, now matter how far up the chain of command the investigation reaches. AND - to add a little salsa, he might hint that he would approve of extraditions to Mexico. Make these arrogant sons of bitches squirm.
No, it wasn't. This was planned by Holder and Obumble to promote their gun banning agenda. The only part that wasn't planned was getting caught!
Imagine government agents under color of law instructing citizens to break the law as part of an "investigation", and then the result of that being the movement of weapons into criminal hands, and the use of those weapons in countless crimes, including over a hundred murders.
These people aren't going anywhere, barring prosecution, transfer, or dismissal, they stay with the agencies involved in the commission of these crimes when the new POTUS is elected.
Top that off with the appearance that these agents and agencies were involved in a conspiracy to generate data to support the notion that American guns were heavily involved in Mexican crime (when prior to this operation they weren't, statistically) so that additional infringements might be imposed on law abiding gunowners' fundamental Civil Right to keep and bear arms, and you have a Conspiracy committed under color of law against the American People and the Constitution.
That violation of the public trust, breach of their oath of office, and criminal activity resulting in the deaths of American Law Enforcement Agents, possibly American Citizens, and numerous Mexican Nationals within their own country cannot go unaddressed if the rule of law and the Constitution are to mean anything.
The perpetrators must be held to account.
It is highly unlikely that will be done with the current (and likely involved) Department of Justice, so the new management will be left to clean house.
While Obama may not be responsible for all the corruption within the BATF and DOJ, it still needs to be removed. Only if it is removed will the DOJ be able to ferret out other criminal activity which has taken place and act appropriately.
SUre, it is just a part of what needs to be done, but it is apparent someone needs to be guarding the guards.
It was planned, and if they pulled it off the 2nd amendment would at this moment be in jeopardy. But NOTHING is going to happen The half black card This group posted on the White House web site a birth certificate that anyone with Adobe Illustrator could take apart, and there are videos all over the net proving it. HALF BLACK card nothing happens
And they recorded serial numbers by mistake? Look, incompetence and stupidity should almost always be attributed rather than some great conspiracy.
You really don't know too much about gun sales do you?
Those records are kept by the gun store, not the ATF. The ATF never gets a copy of gun sames unless there is a gun-crime search.
* gun sales
Well I don’t know. If I was going to secretly supply Mexican drug cartels with weapons I think I would somehow make the serial numbers not point back to me.
Like I said, when given the choice between stupidity or conspiracy as blame for something gone wrong — you can safely put your money on stupidity.
“This was planned by Holder and Obumble to promote their gun banning agenda. The only part that wasn’t planned was getting caught!”
No, not planned, but likely “planned for” in discussions on contingencies. If it wasn’t, then these people are truly more incompetent than evil, and I believe the opposite to be true.
The fix is in, and has been all along. Who’s left to expose the truth? This administration? Not gonna happen. The media? Not gonna happen.
Well, then, how about politicians on the Right? Won’t they come to our rescue? Sorry folks: Not gonna happen.
Besides facing political threats and bribes and influence of many sorts, to which politicians are inherently vulnerable, they know how this game is played.
To start talking about it, they don’t need more facts than are already available to anyone else at this point, and yet they still are not talking about it, not even dropping hints that it exists, to stimulate the public to learn more.
They are politicians first - patriots second. People like Drudge are media stars first - patriots second.
None dare call it treason. None ever will. Not expedient. Not gonna happen.
The ATF can't do a thing about the record of serial numbers being recorded. They never see the damn records until a gun shows up at a crime scene and is traced back to the gun store. I don't know why you can't seem to understand that fact.
It is illegal for the Federal government to keep records on individual gun sales. They can't keep and store serial numbers and sales records on who buys what.
The Gun Mfg and the gun store keep serial number and sales records, that's it.
I’m not understanding your posts. Their fractured and disjointed so I’ll just tell you what I do understand.
Gunwalker is/was a stupid program executed by inept people. Misfeasance and Nonfeasance, yes. Malfeasance? No. Should it be a major topic for elections 2012? No. Is it and it’s results an indication of an inept administration staffed with non qualified partisan hacks? Yes.
That’s okay. I think you are just plain lost.
“You are mistaken about the program. “
So you’re saying it wasn’t a stupid idea executed by a group of inept law enforcement agency overseen by an inept administration?
See everything you say is fine and dandy, but as long as all these facts are not presented within the context of a MOTIVE. Then you’ll have a hard time sounding credible.
Every time you try and explain this to somebody the first thing that has to be explained is MOTIVE. Without the context of MOTIVE, every accusation on this is gibberish.
Then you’ll find that if the MOTIVE was an honest (but stupid) attempt at law enforcement — then most if not all these people are covered by immunity afforded law enforcement.
You may not like that, I may not like that — but it is a real wall that this whole issue will keep running head long into.
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