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Holder Denies Prior Knowledge of 'Fast and Furious'
FOX ^ | 09/07/11 | Mike Levine

Posted on 09/08/2011 1:19:19 AM PDT by Doogle

The head of the U.S. Justice Department launched his strongest personal defense yet in the growing furor over Operation Fast and Furious, the controversial sting targeting Mexican drug cartels and American gunrunners.

On Wednesday, Attorney General Eric Holder said for the first time that not only he but also other higher-ups at the Justice Department were not aware of the operation as it was being carried out. Holder also suggested politics could be a driving force behind Republican lawmakers' forceful inquiries into the matter.

"The notion that somehow or other this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that. ... I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters at an unrelated press conference in Washington. "It's kind of something I think certain members of Congress would like to see, the notion that somehow or other high-level people in the department were involved. As I said, I don't think that is going to be shown to be the case -- which doesn't mean that the mistakes were not serious."

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YOU LIE!
1 posted on 09/08/2011 1:19:22 AM PDT by Doogle
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To: Doogle

Agreed!


2 posted on 09/08/2011 1:26:59 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Doogle
The notion that somehow or other this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that. ... I don't think is supported by the facts,"

We've all seen this before with Hillary and Bill.....their standard lines like "I can't recall"."I don't have a specific memory of..." ..."the facts don't support [meaning 'prove it!]..." What he's saying is "I've covered my tracks and you can't prove anything."

Issa will have to put one of the higher ups in a$$ bangin prison to get him to rat out the highest ups (Holder).....

3 posted on 09/08/2011 1:33:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Doogle
SO a wrist slap for perjury.

Hot lead for our LE & Citizenry.

Sounds like a fair trade. /s

4 posted on 09/08/2011 1:34:08 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Doogle.
"The notion that somehow or other this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that. ... I don't think is supported by the facts... It's kind of something I think certain members of Congress would like to see, the notion that somehow or other high-level people in the department were involved. As I said, I don't think that is going to be shown to be the case -- which doesn't mean that the mistakes were not serious."
Why would he not know, instead of just thinking it? Because he's trying to make it appear that he was blissfully unaware of it, and getting set to blame anyone and everyone else.


5 posted on 09/08/2011 1:36:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tina07; Gaffer

...wasn’t there a clip of him (Steadman) making a speech about “operations” last November. Dumbo had to sign off on this, sooooo,I guess when he say’s “higher ups”, he’s protecting TOTUS.......now we know why Dumbo needs 300 billion more, lotz o hands gonna be extended, gimme gimme.


6 posted on 09/08/2011 1:40:40 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

It would be icing on the cake to have a special prosecutor digging around on this in 2012...


7 posted on 09/08/2011 1:44:10 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB

but note: how all of a sudden, Holder jumps out and starts to play in traffic after news that emails were going back and forth from the White ...House....deflect, deflect, deflect, deny, deny, deny, lie,lie,lie....then claim stooooopitity.
Watch for a golf game between Holder and Dumbo, then Holder’s resignation....then Dumbo explaining we have a lot of work to do to get the US back, campaign, campaign, campaign,...blah,blah,blah


8 posted on 09/08/2011 1:54:30 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

Solyndra will keep Obama from running next year and should be the priority. Fast and Furious will just end up like Waco.


9 posted on 09/08/2011 2:10:34 AM PDT by Wooly
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To: Doogle

Holder is an awful liar. On TV he comes across as nervous and stupid. Can’t wait for this turd to be flushed along with president jug ears


10 posted on 09/08/2011 2:16:58 AM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: Doogle

22% of His People buy this BS. The rest of us know him for the liar he is. Pubbies need to haul his @$$ into a Congressional hearing and make him testify under oath and either invoke the 5th Amendment or go to jail.


11 posted on 09/08/2011 2:31:49 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger......)
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To: dennisw

Now, that brings up a good mental picture ... “President Jughead”. Rings a bell with those of us of a certain age.


12 posted on 09/08/2011 2:38:08 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger......)
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To: DB

Not true DB,
If it were turned over to a special prosecutor the story would not be coming out as they keep a lid on what they do. Until it comes to trial.
We need it to stay where it is and continue to leak out bits and pieces of info as they come out.
Sort of like the ole chineese water torture.
Let the investigation continue for about 14 more months with continueing LEAKS.


13 posted on 09/08/2011 3:00:01 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy with a teleprompter)
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To: Doogle

Ask him under oath, then find evidence or testimony to prove otherwise.


14 posted on 09/08/2011 3:03:34 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Doogle
Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference
CUERNAVACA, MEXICO ~ Thursday, April 2, 2009

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

-Eric Holder-

15 posted on 09/08/2011 3:04:28 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Joe Boucher

Well they way that usually goes is you get both. The prosecutor and the leaks...


16 posted on 09/08/2011 3:15:20 AM PDT by DB
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To: Joe Boucher
Sorry, That should have been "Well the way ..."
17 posted on 09/08/2011 3:17:37 AM PDT by DB
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To: Doogle

Agree agree agree.... He’s a LIAR !


18 posted on 09/08/2011 3:19:21 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Hoodat

Fascists do not let even documented facts ruin their agendas.

I pray this Chocolate Reich does not destroy America like the Third Reich did to Germany.


19 posted on 09/08/2011 3:48:53 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: DB
It would be icing on the cake to have a special prosecutor digging around on this in 2012...

It took 30 years to kill the Special Prosecutor craze. And nobody does it better han 'rats on Pubs. Careful what you wish for.

20 posted on 09/08/2011 3:49:59 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Calusa

Okay, I can’t honestly argue with that...


21 posted on 09/08/2011 3:53:10 AM PDT by DB
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To: Doogle
He must have the paper trail and emails sanitized. Hope he overlooked something...

Mike

22 posted on 09/08/2011 3:56:15 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Doogle

I love the smell of degaussing in the morning.


23 posted on 09/08/2011 3:59:45 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: Doogle

But he’s only lying to white dogs, that doesn’t count.


24 posted on 09/08/2011 4:00:54 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Doogle

Of course he lies.
To tell the truth is to admit to major crimes.


25 posted on 09/08/2011 4:03:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Doogle
"I have no idea what my subordinates are doing" is both a lousy defense and an admittance that one is incompetent.
Eric, would you like to try that answer again?
26 posted on 09/08/2011 4:10:29 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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Obama Talked About "Gun Tracing" in 2009
Townhall ^ | 7/28/11 | Katie Pavlich
FR Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2011 by Nachum

During testimony on Capitol Hill, we heard Former ATF Special Agent in Charge William Newell admit he was in contact with White House National Security staffer Kevin O'Reilly about Operation Fast and Furious as early as September 2010. Newell also admitted that the DHS, IRS, DEA, ATF, ICE and the Obama Justice Department were all heavily involved and were full partners in coming up with the concept and execution of Operation Fast and Furious. Attorney General Eric Holder and President Obama still deny authorizing the lethal program, despite President Obama specifically asking Holder to conduct a complete review (Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...

AG Holder discussed "Project Gun Runner" in April 2009 in Mexico.
FR POSTED Friday, July 08, 2011 by Glock The Vote
SOURCE: DOJ release | April 2, 2009

US Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference CUERNAVACA, MEXICO ~ Thursday, April 2, 2009 Remarks as prepared for delivery.

ATTY GEN HOLDER: First, let me express my thanks to (Mexican) Attorney General Medina Mora and Secy of Government Gomez Mont for making this conference possible. This is my first trip to another country as Attorney General.

I wanted to come to Mexico to deliver a single message: We stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you in this fight against the narcotics cartels. The United States shares responsibility for this problem and we will take responsibility by joining our Mexican counterparts in every step...

And, together, we will win – thanks in large part to the courage of my Mexican colleagues here today, who are on the front lines every day, and with whom I am proud to collaborate.

The topic that has been addressed over the past two days could not be more important – the development of an arms trafficking prosecution and enforcement strategy on both sides of the border.

I would like to thank the Mexican and U.S. experts who have worked so hard on this issue. On our side, Secretary Napolitano and I are committed to putting the resources in place to increase our attack on arms trafficking into Mexico.

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion.

DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail. But as today’s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone. Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels – an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel.

This is the type of full-bore, prosecution-driven approach that the U.S. Department of Justice took to dismantle La Cosa Nostra – once the most powerful organized crime group operating in the United States. With partners like those we have here today, I am confident that together, we will defeat these narcotics cartels in exactly the same way. I am proud to stand with you, and to join you in this fight.

Thank you again for inviting me here. ####

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REFERENCE America's Third War: Is the U.S. Arming Mexican Cartels?
FoxNews.com | May 31, 2011 | William La Jeunesse
FR Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 by neverdem

If you ever watch video or look at pictures of Mexican drug wars, you see some pretty heavy weapons. It is a war being waged with rockets and plastic explosives, not pea shooters and Saturday Night Specials.

Consider these incidents:- A M26A2 fragmentation grenade used against a U.S. Consulate in Mexico in 2008 - Explosive projectiles and 21 grenades found during a raid in Guadalupe - An unexploded grenade and pull ring used to attack a TV station in Monterrey - Automatic weapons, including U.S.-made M16s, found at a cartel crime scene in May 2009- U.S. military-issued ammunition found in a cartel raid in Reynosa in November 2008. You can't buy this stuff at a U.S. gun store. So where do the cartels get it?

According to leaked diplomatic cables, there are three sources.

1. US Defense Department shipments to Latin America, known and tracked by the US State Department as "foreign military sales."

2. Weapons ordered by the Mexican government, tracked by the State Department as "direct commercial sales."

3. Aging, but plentiful arsenals of military weapon stores in Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua.

Even though these facts were well-known by the Obama administration, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder, it blamed much of the violence in Mexico on US gun shops. "More than 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our border," President Obama said in February 2009.

That was contested, but few listened to gun store owners and former vets like Lynn Kartchner, owner of Allsafe Security, a gun shop in Douglas, Ariz...(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com

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REFERENCE----Is the U.S. Arming Mexican Cartels?

WHAT IS THE MERIDA INITIATIVE? The US Congress passed legislation in late June 2008 to provide Mexico with $400 million and Central American countries with $65 million that year alone, for the specific purpose of "fighting drug wars." The initiative was announced 22 Oct 2007 and signed into law June 30, 2008.

27 posted on 09/08/2011 4:26:02 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Gaffer
to get him to rat out the highest ups (Holder).....

Are you serious stopping at Holder? Obama, the community organizer, is the only one with enough horsepower to make the stupid decisions to try to gut the 2nd Amendment with this idiotic scheme.

This is Obama's WATERGATE. The pawns are being lined up to protect the scumbag himself.

Look at the "SPEECH" buidup for tonight. Either Obama is the biggest idiot since Carter OR he really is a lawless scumbag trying to destroy the US.

Obviously Obama is a lawless scumbag. Next consider the possibility that he is the equivalent of a terrorist bomber in the White House and then it all becomes clear. The Anti-American arab scumbags bought Obama's presidency, Obama is a plant whose purpose is to destroy the US.

28 posted on 09/08/2011 4:31:19 AM PDT by politicianslie (Democrats are COMMUNIST, Repubs are SOCIALIST, and Barry's a Muslim manipulating USEFUL RINO IDIOTS)
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To: Psalm 73
"I have no idea what my subordinates are doing" is both a lousy defense and an admittance that one is incompetent.
Eric, would you like to try that answer again?

There appears to be no such thing as Respondeat Superior where a government agency is the employer / supervisor. No, it's the old "Sgt. Schultz" routine for them - and it is a rare event when anybody "important" is asked to fall on their sword.

29 posted on 09/08/2011 4:40:21 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Doogle

So, is Holder saying he was out of touch and therefore not in charge? Seems just as damning.


30 posted on 09/08/2011 4:50:01 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (see Surviving Civil War II on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Doogle

Yep, “I don’t think...” is a variation of “You can’t prove...”, and is far from a denial.
Holder will be proven wrong and fired.


31 posted on 09/08/2011 5:00:06 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Doogle; Joe Brower; marktwain

32 posted on 09/08/2011 5:01:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Gaffer

“The notion that somehow...”, boy, don’t that sound familiar. That phrase comes out of buttheads mouth every other time he gives a speach.


33 posted on 09/08/2011 5:02:46 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: Doogle
Gotcha Holder. From what I hear Issa has emails and testimony that you knew and even made suggested changes to the program.
34 posted on 09/08/2011 5:06:18 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Doogle

Why that is such a strong term— YOU LIE! — True but strong.
Of Course Eric holder of the Black Panther DOJ had no prior knowledge of Fast and furious. -in like manner he—and his DOJ had no intent to allow grenades —or weapons cross into Mexico.I sometimes wonder if he HATES the Mexicans more— or The United States of America. He is either too ignorant to be trusted in any position of power —or too dangerous for allowing /risking such international incident—for What?


35 posted on 09/08/2011 5:09:23 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Doogle

There are two true responses to his Holder’s statement:

He is grossly incompetent.

He is guilty of a conspiracy.


36 posted on 09/08/2011 5:13:04 AM PDT by RetSignman (It's Summertime...the "Goebbles Warmers" are back from hibernation.)
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To: politicianslie

right now I’d settle for jailing Holder and then cut a deal to drag down Obama...


37 posted on 09/08/2011 5:39:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Doogle

So this clowns position is that he runs an agency where unnamed underlings illegally transfer 2000 firearms and they do this without his knowledge or approval do it’s not his fault. That’s his position? That is as lame as “ my dog ate my homework”. This jackass ought to be arrested let alone fired.


38 posted on 09/08/2011 6:02:37 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: Liz

Thanks for the articles.


39 posted on 09/08/2011 6:13:21 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: SunkenCiv

Doesn’t really matter if he knew it or not. He’s Captain of the GO#DA##ED SHIP.


40 posted on 09/08/2011 6:19:36 AM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Gosh, and here I was all the time thinking that "the better angels of their nature" would have them breaking down and confessing to high crimes and misdemeanors...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

41 posted on 09/08/2011 7:27:54 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

Perjury is his middle name!!


42 posted on 09/08/2011 7:39:49 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: DaxtonBrown
"So, is Holder saying he was out of touch and therefore not in charge? Seems just as damning."

Nice set up they have there - I know in my job if someone under me screws up, it's MY fault.

43 posted on 09/08/2011 7:42:31 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Doogle

Interesting “Law and Order: Special Victims Unit” last night...an ATF agent in the NYC office gave a gun that he acquired in AZ in a sting to a perp. The gun was later used in a murder...they dealt with the issue, and even said that the AZ operation was foolish, but made it come down to a single bad agent. And the ending was silly, where all the violence was laid to guns and not criminals.


44 posted on 09/08/2011 7:51:57 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Doogle
Even if by some strange quirk they are being truthful and didn't know but were just incompetent and fostering an environment where such an outrage was inevitable, they are currently covering up the truth and obstructing the investigation so are now complicit in the crime itself. It's no different than Nixon covering up Watergate.

Book 'em, Dano!

45 posted on 09/08/2011 8:01:45 AM PDT by Gritty (Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these SOBs (Tea Party) out!-Jimmy Hoffa)
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To: bigheadfred
...BHOs motto, “The Buck, stopped”...
46 posted on 09/08/2011 8:03:42 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Doogle
Holder also suggested politics could be a driving force behind Republican lawmakers' forceful inquiries into the matter.

Considering the the US Department Justice is a committed outpost of the a DMC it takes a forceful inquiry. If it looks political, I don't really care.

47 posted on 09/08/2011 8:47:27 AM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: Doogle

Oh my...there was/is a speech Holder gave in Mexico about 2.5 years ago posted on the DOJ website speaking on F&F. Issa was alerted to it so how can Holder wiggle out of that when he gave this speech?


48 posted on 09/08/2011 8:52:08 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Joe Brower

This needs a Special Prosecutor and so does the Gibson Guitar Caper.

But to do that you need GOP congressional leaders with testicles. The last time I heard, Boner and McConnell sounded a little high-pitched.


49 posted on 09/08/2011 9:40:42 AM PDT by ZULU ( Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam)
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To: gargoyle

LOL

(and no kidding, huh?)


50 posted on 09/08/2011 9:52:07 AM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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