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Flash Mobs Open Letter To All Urban Residents & Especially Jews
Ammoland.com ^ | 12 August, 2011 | Rabbi Dovid Bendory

Posted on 08/13/2011 5:09:24 AM PDT by marktwain

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Carry a weapon. Practice. Know the law.

Advice for the ages.

1 posted on 08/13/2011 5:09:29 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Over a year ago I warned that these flash mobs would eventually be used for violence and perhaps even terrorism.

I was flamed and called every name in the book for trying to throw a wet towel on these “playful pranks.”

Beware of mobs. All types. Beware of mobs, because they are comprised of people. And every person has some bad born into him.


2 posted on 08/13/2011 5:15:16 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: marktwain

I had never heard of one till the stupid cell phone commercial a month or 2 ago...

my theory is this...if someone gets right in my face (by that I mean physical contact)....I have the right to punch said face...

...if someone gets violent with me....it is my civic duty to return it 10 fold....


3 posted on 08/13/2011 5:18:41 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

And one more point...

these “flash mobs” of violent blacks are no different than the “lynch mobs” of yesterday.

And that’s what we ought to call them, wireless lynch mobs carried out by the black version of the KKK.


4 posted on 08/13/2011 5:21:23 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Over a year ago I warned that these flash mobs would eventually be used for violence and perhaps even terrorism.
Wait until Election Day 2012, and the days preceding it.
Violent flash-mobs will be out in force trying to intimidate every white voter in the country.
And the ones who aren't intimidated will be met by ...

5 posted on 08/13/2011 5:23:27 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: marktwain

“know the law” — In other words, put the gun away, because unless you’re a cop and you can explain how the unarmed 4 year old girl “made a threatening move to her diaper”, you will be arrested and tried for murder after dropping the thrice-convicted, machine-gun wielding man who just broke into your infant daughter’s bedroom at 3am. And if he’s a “person of color” you can forget the “trial” part — straight to conviction.


6 posted on 08/13/2011 5:26:00 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: marktwain

How do you train to use a firearm “under pressure”?

Except for being in intense situations (as they do in the army and law enforcement, for example) how do train for something like that?


7 posted on 08/13/2011 5:27:17 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII

I am surprised that none of the flash mob participents has not been stabbed or shot yet. Indeed, most of their victims have been your average joe out for a good time but in Milwaukee, Philadelphis, Chicago, etc......someone has be be carrying a weapon for defense. I am afraid is they did, the mob mentality would take over and the victims would suffer even greater threat from the entire mob.

Might be a good idea though....leaving a few of the mobsters lying in the streets may slow things down a bit.


8 posted on 08/13/2011 5:34:03 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: marktwain
I think it is so sad that something as refreshing and entertaining as the original "flash mob" concept (see examples here and here) have to get a bad name because of calling hoodlums who burn, rob and destroy by the same name.
9 posted on 08/13/2011 5:34:52 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

“You cannot save the planet but you may be able to save yourself and your family.


10 posted on 08/13/2011 5:35:07 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("Don't shoot fast, unless you also shoot good..")
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Flash mobs are the new lynch mobs.
11 posted on 08/13/2011 5:36:46 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: marktwain

Flashmobs are the Brownshirts of the 21st century.

Search on “Obama phone” and see who is eligible for free cell phone with text service.

The democRAT pols will begin to use them for political intimidation once they figure out how to control the mobs and not get their fingerprints on their activity.


12 posted on 08/13/2011 5:37:11 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

I wonder - seriously - about the correct response , including the use or non-use of deadly force if caught up in one of these events.

As I posted here previously, I was at the National Zoo on Easter Monday with two women and eight children, two in strollers, when the flash mob stabbing occurred. The 10-15 perpetrators were ten yards or less from us at their closest, for a period of about 30-45 seconds.

I have CCWs or reciprocity in 33 states, DC of course not included. I have reasonable training and had enough cool to get the two families into what defensive cover was available. If I had one of my weapons, I probably would at least had my hand on it.

The question for combat experienced FReepers is, would producing a weapon and shooting a rioter inside of 7 yards have been the correct play TO MAXIMIZE THE SURVIVAL OF THOSE I WAS PROTECTING?

Undoubtedly, had I shot one or two of the “youths”, it would have been a public service in the long run. The issue is, if it did not disperse the mob, the short run consequences for my protectees would likely have been much worse than it actually was.

Is a lone armed citizen up against, but not directly attacked by, one of these mobs better off with or without the threat of deadly force?


13 posted on 08/13/2011 5:39:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: webstersII

Practice is the process of training your mind and muscles so that you may react without having to think about it.

It’s what pro athletes do for hours every day.


14 posted on 08/13/2011 5:41:16 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (George Lopez is the black hole of funny. Nothing funny can escape his suck.)
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To: webstersII

Check around your area for IDPA-style shooting competitions. That’s one way. The scenario shooting competitions are very good for building confidence with pressure. Larger competitions offer a variety of classes. You can find IDPA online.

Alternatively, always practice with someone who is also seeking to build these skills. You can add some pressure to the shooting exercise by placing time limits, shot counts, and shot placement. Granted these don’t completely simulate the conditions of a flash-mob scene, but adding noise and lights will help to raise the pressure level, too. Regardless, though, always devote a portion of your practice sessions to simple, no-pressure, aim-and-fire work.

Also, when you practice, set aside some time for practicing clearing your weapon in the event of jams or misfires, and mag swaps or reloads. Also, Draw-and-fire and Move-and-fire exercises. These skills are every bit as important as the rest.

And, if you have the means, there are several excellent tactical shooing schools around the country that offer a wide variety of training programs from beginner through more experienced shooters. My son and I have thoroughly enjoyed a number of these while gaining valuable skills and experience that we carry into our maintenance shooting and further training. Plus, it’s a great way to spend some time together; and pass along skills to the wife and daughters, too.


15 posted on 08/13/2011 5:47:57 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: marktwain; All

Certainly very good advice.

I’ve been following these “flash mob” stories for awhile, and certainly it does pay to be armed.

However, what happens when you go up against a “flash mob”, let’s say, composed of 100 or so individuals, all of whom are armed as equally as you?

All it’s going to take is one of the “flash mobbers” to get shot, and they’ll arm up as well. I’m surprised they haven’t already, to be honest.

It’s easy to say fire off a shot and they’ll run.....but what if they don’t? They may not be the shots in the world, but all it takes is one bullet from a lucky shot, and down you go.

I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?


16 posted on 08/13/2011 5:54:40 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: marktwain

Flash mob, trash mob. A flash mob should at least one that breaks out in a routine that happens outdoors on a nice day singing, “Good Day Sunshine” or “Here Comes The Sun”.


17 posted on 08/13/2011 5:57:20 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: Doctor 2Brains

If your “know the law” comment is accurate where you live, there are two possibilities open to you.

1. The “long road” — get active and work to get your state on the road back to constitutional laws.

2. The “quick fix” — move to Texas.


18 posted on 08/13/2011 6:02:17 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

I agree, and I thank you for your 2 delightful examples. The police should call these evil mobs something else.


19 posted on 08/13/2011 6:04:50 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: marktwain
One righteous person in Milwaukee, licensed to carry concealed, stepping out of his or her car and shooting one of the “youths” as they were beating the teen victim would have stopped that “flash mob” instantly.

Of this, I would not be so very sure. What we don't know about the 'mob' in this case is if they would return fire instead. CCW in the face of a violent direct threat...yep, check. CCW in the face of a lone shooter...yep, check. CCW in the face of being cornered by a mob myself...yep, check.

I think the first time they run into a CCW person it will surprise them. Then they will come back more prepared the next time. The drawback is it really is just a matter of time before bullets start flying whether from the mobsters or from a citizen defending themselves.

20 posted on 08/13/2011 6:05:23 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?

That is a subjective determination that has to be made based on the totality of circumstances.

21 posted on 08/13/2011 6:09:38 AM PDT by fso301
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To: oh8eleven

Let us all wave a purple finger with defiant pride.


22 posted on 08/13/2011 6:11:12 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: webstersII
A small machete is much quicker and ominous to stupid people, a lot quicker than a gun just dont conceal it or let the law know it was.
23 posted on 08/13/2011 6:17:03 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: fso301

True enough. I noticed EBH posted something similar. I hate to say it, but it’s only a matter of time before these “flash mobs” of “disaffected youths” will start blasting away.

After all, it’s easier to mug someone when they’re dead, right? /s

Here in Berlin, Germany, I haven’t seen any “flash mobs” yet. Seen quite a few political protests, mostly lefties, but nothing violent. With the protests, there’s as many riot cops as there are protesters it seems like. The polizei let people protest of course, but if things look like they’re getting out of hand, truncheons start flailing.

:-)


24 posted on 08/13/2011 6:17:41 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“The police should call these evil mobs something else.”

It might make their Peas of Sh!t president look bad.


25 posted on 08/13/2011 6:17:59 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: EBH
CCW in the face of being cornered by a mob myself...yep, check.

Rerun the scenario a few times.

I'm not sure what the correct response is.

26 posted on 08/13/2011 6:18:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Ouderkirk

OMG! You are RIGHT!! ALL of Obama’s constiuents are now getting FREE CELLS PHONES with TEXT service!!! It’s for just this kind of thing! Pray for America.


27 posted on 08/13/2011 6:19:11 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

“What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?”

You have civil war!


28 posted on 08/13/2011 6:24:27 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: Doctor 2Brains; All
“know the law” — In other words, put the gun away, because unless you’re a cop and you can explain how the unarmed 4 year old girl “made a threatening move to her diaper”, you will be arrested and tried for murder after dropping the thrice-convicted, machine-gun wielding man who just broke into your infant daughter’s bedroom at 3am. And if he’s a “person of color” you can forget the “trial” part — straight to conviction.

It does not happen that way, at least in most states. I post a lot of articles about self defense shootings on freerepublic. You can find them all under the banglist keyword. It is very seldom that a person in a self defense shooting is prosecuted, and even rarer that they are convicted.

Of course, this does vary by locality. You are much less likely to be prosecuted in Texas than you are in New Jersey.

29 posted on 08/13/2011 6:24:42 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
So far, the mobs have been unarmed because they haven't shot anyone, nor have there been any reports of guns. At least at this point, the mobs seem to be made up of vicious teenagers who use their numbers to overwhelm. A lot of them may well be spoiled brats bored of playing Everquest rather than conventional gang-bangers, who'd have weapons. Some of this may even be spawned by the "raiding" behavior in the video games.

I'm also thinking of bear spray as a possible weapon. You don't need a CCW for that. You can also spray and immobilize (and cause great pain) quite a few of these feral humans.

30 posted on 08/13/2011 6:28:08 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: marktwain

You are right, for the most part. I think it has gotten SOOOOOO much better in recent years. It’s just that some of the cases you hear about are so mind-numbingly horrible, they stick with you for years. I was just venting a bit.


31 posted on 08/13/2011 6:29:28 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: LoneStarC

Yeah, I know some libs who live in Texas and hate gov “Goodhair”—but have there been any flash mobs in Austin or Houston?


32 posted on 08/13/2011 6:31:21 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
However, what happens when you go up against a “flash mob”, let’s say, composed of 100 or so individuals, all of whom are armed as equally as you?

Back in the Vietnam era, they often spoke of the "kill ratio", primarily in the context that for every American GI killed, a certain quantity of NVA/Viet Cong personnel were killed. If the mobs start going armed, that term will again become popular. It may be suicidal if there's no escape route, but if you take a few of them with you, you've won your portion of the battle. You just wouldn't be around to enjoy the victory.

Remember what Patton said, - you're not sent to die for your country, you're here to get the other SOB to die for his country.

33 posted on 08/13/2011 6:32:01 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

“these “flash mobs” of violent blacks are no different than the “lynch mobs” of yesterday.”

You’re exactly right, and South Carolina is charging these mobs under its anti-lynching law. Six “youths” were charged under the anti-lynching law in Columbia, South Carolina, and are each facing 20 years in prison for mob behavior. If the person they beat up had died, they’d be facing the death penalty.

Because of this law, SC has very little in the way of flash mobs.


34 posted on 08/13/2011 6:34:16 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Because we have an MSM who CANNOT tell the truth in reporting.


35 posted on 08/13/2011 6:37:49 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Mamzelle
...have there been any flash mobs in Austin or Houston?

Good point - haven't heard of any flash mobs in Fort Worth either, or even Dallas!

36 posted on 08/13/2011 6:38:12 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: sergeantdave

The more I hear about SC, the more I like that state.

Combine that law with CCW and defending the civilian’s right to self defense (using lethal force) and you will have no flash mobs at all.


37 posted on 08/13/2011 6:38:12 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: sergeantdave

Goes to show that in the south, there is NO tolerance for this nonsense.


38 posted on 08/13/2011 6:39:20 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?

I'm guessing that will be the beginning of the CWII.
39 posted on 08/13/2011 6:40:42 AM PDT by crosshairs (If Sharia Law becomes the law of the land, heads are gonna roll.)
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To: Menehune56

I believe same thing as in South Carolina I believe, CCW laws.


40 posted on 08/13/2011 6:42:09 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Progov

Me too. But they pick their victims. It is usually a self hating White Liberal or at places frequented by those under the influence of the self hating White Liberals, to wit: do not believe in defending themselves, strict gun laws, ect.


41 posted on 08/13/2011 6:44:16 AM PDT by sport
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; All
Certainly very good advice.

I’ve been following these “flash mob” stories for awhile, and certainly it does pay to be armed.

However, what happens when you go up against a “flash mob”, let’s say, composed of 100 or so individuals, all of whom are armed as equally as you?

All it’s going to take is one of the “flash mobbers” to get shot, and they’ll arm up as well. I’m surprised they haven’t already, to be honest.

It’s easy to say fire off a shot and they’ll run.....but what if they don’t? They may not be the shots in the world, but all it takes is one bullet from a lucky shot, and down you go.

I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t defend yourself in a life-threatening situation; of course you should. I’m asking a hypothetical question. What happens when the “flash mobs” are as equally well-armed and carrying as law-abiding citizens?

Your observation that the flash mobs have not "armed up" is cogent and instructive. There are several reasons for this. Most of the people in the flash mobs are legally disbared from possesing firearms. If they possess them illegally, they cost resources to obtain. One of the prime motivators of flash mobs is the near certainty of immunity from prosecution. If there are 30 young black people involved in an attack, it is fairly easy for anyone of them to claim that they were not involved, so it is a good defense in court, and it is hard for police to catch these people in the act, which tends to occur quickly.

If they start carrying weapons illegally, they give up much of their advantages. They are subject to prosecution before, during, and after the attack. If they are chased by police, they have to figure a way to get rid of the weapon before they get caught. They don't want to use a holster because it is harder to get rid of. If they figured they were going to get into a gun fight, it is more likely they would be deterred from the attack rather than carry a weapon to it.

In short, I think it unlikely that the flash mob phenomena will start "arming up". If they do, the populace will "arm up" all the faster. While a CCW holder may go down in such a situation, he/she is likely to take more than one flash mob types with them. Statistically, the flash mobs will be on the losing end of this sort of attrition.

This is why civilization works. The majority of citizens know that life is more comfortable and safer under the rule of law. They vastly outnumber the outlaws, who are attrited out of existance by the majority, which uses the mechanism of the government to its advantage.

The places that you have serious problems are where the government has protected the outlaws, or has become outlaw itself. In most of the U.S., we are not at that point.

42 posted on 08/13/2011 6:45:09 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The thing is, after a few flash mobbers are killed, flash mobs wil stop happening. Ao they arm themselves? So what?

They are in it for fun, for excitement, for profit, for revenge. They’re NOT in it to die. So if the likelihood of that occuring show up, they will try something else.

The point is, you have the right and the duty to defend yhourseld


43 posted on 08/13/2011 6:49:01 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Jim Noble

I’m starting to see a market for rapid area-effect pepper gas grenades. . . . Toss into mob, stand back. . .


44 posted on 08/13/2011 6:51:19 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
The more I hear about SC, the more I like that state

And the barbecue is incredible. I say that as an Alabama man

45 posted on 08/13/2011 6:53:16 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: chesley

For those of you unfortunate enought to still live in one of our “People’s Republics” and not in a Free State ..a spray of oven cleaner to the eyes will work just fine on the offenders!!!!!


46 posted on 08/13/2011 6:54:53 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: chesley

For those of you unfortunate enought to still live in one of our “People’s Republics” and not in a Free State ..a spray of oven cleaner to the eyes will work just fine on the offenders!!!!!


47 posted on 08/13/2011 6:55:01 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: Highest Authority

A retractable baton to the knee will also work and help ensure the young rioter will be unable to run in the streets for a while.


48 posted on 08/13/2011 7:00:22 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: marktwain

Excellent and illuminating response. Thank you.

The only places I can see this being a truly serious problem is in locales where CCW is essentially forbidden, either prima facie or through official intransigence. I think of LA, Chicago, NYC, places like that.

And, I’m hoping that these little events of do-it-yourself wealth redistribution don’t spread over to Germany. My neighborhood of Berlin is pretty heavy with Turks, Kurds, and Arabs; most of them are small-business owners (tons of little mom-and-pop shops here), and if their counterparts in London during the recent riots are any indication of the future, I don’t think they’ll be taking any guff from amateur looters.


49 posted on 08/13/2011 7:01:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: webstersII; All
How do you train to use a firearm “under pressure”? Except for being in intense situations (as they do in the army and law enforcement, for example) how do train for something like that?

There are several ways that you can train yourself to use a firearm under pressure.

1. Hunt. Hunting teaches you to use a firearm under pressure. It does not have to be dangerous game. You will be dealing in a life and death situation (normally not yours, but that of your prey), in which you have to act quickly and decisively. Jim Cirillo, the legendary New York officer who was involved in numerous gunfights as part of the New York City Stakeout Squad, said that being a hunter of big game was something he would look for in officers to recruit for such duty.

2. Play the "What if" game. Think about how you might react under various circumstances, how you would use cover, how you would retreat, what the legal requirements are for the justified use of deadly force. If you have thought about it, in a variety of circumstances, it is likely that you will be able to fit one of those to your circumstance if it occurs to you. Reading about what others have done, and how they handled it, with a critical eye as to what you might have done differently, is a good way to start putting your mind into the proper framework.

3. Train from different positions and target presentations. I and my brother used to set up "ravine runs", hidden targets along a trail that we had to react to quickly and effectively. Train on multiple targets at close range. Train on moving targets: a simple clothesline system with silhouette target mounted on it, and a cord to pull from behind the shooter is inexpensive and effective.

4. Engage in competition. Unless you have property available to you, you may have difficulty performing #3. Various clubs that are involved in "combat" style competition allow people to pool resources to get the type of practice recommended in #3. Competition of any kind is effective in teaching you how to shoot under pressure. Even National Match bulls-eye competition is effective for this purpose.

50 posted on 08/13/2011 7:07:45 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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