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Casey Anthony Found Not Guilty of 1st-Degree Murder, Acquitted of Manslaughter in Daughter's Death
FOX ^ | July 5, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 07/05/2011 7:27:58 AM PDT by freebird5850

Morning all, didn't see a thread for today so I created one.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
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1 posted on 07/05/2011 7:28:14 AM PDT by freebird5850
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To: freebird5850
Good morning freebird. I didn't start one today as I did not know if there would be news until the verdict came down. Thank you for putting one up, if people want to discuss there will be a place.

I will go and get my pinglist and hit it.

2 posted on 07/05/2011 7:30:42 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: dfc1; miss marmelstein; Sarah Barracuda; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; ANKE69; indylindy; Marty62; nycgal; ..

Freebird was kind enough to start a thread this morning. I really MUST get some work done so I have to leave, but I will listen for the verdict. I’m sure we all will.


3 posted on 07/05/2011 7:33:23 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: freebird5850
The ONLY thing worse than the weeks of the trial is hours/days/weeks??? to come of talking heads filling airtime with absolutely nothing to say..

FYI..on FOX this morning, happened to catch a jury consultant who has been in the courtroom everyday. Female..Big black rims..don't recall her name...she said that by observing them, she felt there were 7 for conviction, 4 for aquittal....she felt that the IT guy would most likely be the jury foreperson..

If they're that divided..we're looking at at least a week of deliberation, and if they come back deadlocked..the judge will send them out again for another few days..

MAKE IT STOP!!!

4 posted on 07/05/2011 7:33:44 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: truthkeeper

Thanks truthkeeper.


5 posted on 07/05/2011 7:35:23 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: ken5050
to come of talking heads filling airtime with absolutely nothing to say..

Almost as bad as listening to Baezs' closing argument!
6 posted on 07/05/2011 7:37:49 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: freebird5850

I just started paying attention to this story this weekend, on the live thread of the trial summations. Thanks for posting this thread.


7 posted on 07/05/2011 7:39:30 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: freebird5850
I don't think there are a lot of heavy thinkers on that jury. Bat they're done by noon....and she is convicted...

Forget the death penalty...Life without parole.

8 posted on 07/05/2011 7:40:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ken5050

AQUITTAL?????!!!!!!!!


9 posted on 07/05/2011 7:41:04 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: samtheman

Me and the wife here too. Been interesting the last few days for sure.


10 posted on 07/05/2011 7:41:19 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: ken5050

**MAKE IT STOP!!!***

This train has no brakes;)


11 posted on 07/05/2011 7:41:29 AM PDT by sodpoodle
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To: ken5050
There are two issues that will lengthen this nonsense:

(1) CSI factor

(2) defense exaggeration of reasonable doubt standard.

12 posted on 07/05/2011 7:42:21 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: freebird5850

Baez’ OR Mason’s. I think they did more damage to her than helped.


13 posted on 07/05/2011 7:42:49 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: wideawake

You will need to explain the “CSI factor” to most here.


14 posted on 07/05/2011 7:43:34 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: FrdmLvr

See post 12.


15 posted on 07/05/2011 7:43:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: FrdmLvr

That’s what I heard her say...maybe she meant of FIRST degree murder..


16 posted on 07/05/2011 7:44:42 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: FrdmLvr
Baez’ OR Mason’s. I think they did more damage to her than helped.

Oh, Mason! I listened to him for a few minutes then...ugh, had to walk away.
17 posted on 07/05/2011 7:45:25 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: ken5050

Susan Constantine, the jury consultant/body language expert.


18 posted on 07/05/2011 7:45:38 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: MindBender26
The CSI factor is the unfortunate fact that about 75% of TV dramas/procedurals have followed the CSI TV show trend: in almost every fictional criminal case on these shows, there is some irrefutable, probative smoking gun - a clear piece of forensic evidence that can point to only one person.

This filters into the culture - all these TV dramas make the average person on the street think that unless there is precise and unambiguous forensic evidence then the prosecution should not get a conviction.

19 posted on 07/05/2011 7:47:58 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: freebird5850

For those of us who don’t have time to follow the TV TRIAL SOAPS, but have heard enough on the regular news about it to be curious about the whole thing, could you please summarize with respect to the following perception of what it seems must have happened: Woman wants to go out partying, can’t get anybody to babysit, goes out anyway, places baby in trunk, ties baby up and duct tapes baby’s mouth shut so nobody hears the ruckus in the trunk while Mom is inside the Club partying, baby dies in trunk, Mom tries a coverup. Do I have it about right? Or not? (I would really like to know so I don’t have to waste time trying to figure it out from the entertainment and mainstream media’s convoluted reporting after a verdict is announced)


20 posted on 07/05/2011 7:49:15 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Miss Didi

What tv station is everyone watching to follow the trial? Here we are watching tru tv, channel 241 on DirectTv.


21 posted on 07/05/2011 7:50:24 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: freebird5850

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/05/florida.casey.anthony.trial/index.html?section=cnn_latest


22 posted on 07/05/2011 7:50:31 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: freebird5850

Thanks Freebird.

Did anyone see that Nancy Grace figured out what psycho Casey was mouthing at the trial yesterday? “I’d never blame my mother” and “It isn’t his fault” (referring to George). Sorta doesn’t match up with what Lawyer Baez was saying, lol!


23 posted on 07/05/2011 7:50:51 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: ngat

She dumped the body in a swamp and went out and partied.


24 posted on 07/05/2011 7:52:18 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein; All

Does anyone know what the defense costs are, and who’s paying what?


25 posted on 07/05/2011 7:53:55 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: wideawake

Do prosecutors ever bring up the CSI factor? Was it mentioned to the jury in this case?


26 posted on 07/05/2011 7:54:52 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: ngat

From what I have heard there is no account of How Kaylee died. Your opinion is speculative and interesting too.


27 posted on 07/05/2011 7:55:08 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: freebird5850
Morning all, didn't see a thread for today so I created one.

Gee, thanks. That jury better get back before the NFL season starts. Only one channel dedicated 24/7 to this worthless story will be devastating to the mind-numbed.

28 posted on 07/05/2011 7:55:27 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: ngat

You left out the chloroform to keep little Caylee quiet. Otherwise, that’s pretty much it, in a nutshell...


29 posted on 07/05/2011 7:55:39 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (I STAND WITH SARAH....)
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To: ken5050

State of Florida is paying for both the defense and obviously the prosecution. I would imagine at cost over a half million.


30 posted on 07/05/2011 7:56:44 AM PDT by vicar7
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To: freebird5850
We're getting it through Comcast on Tru TV and also HLN ( Headline News ).
31 posted on 07/05/2011 7:57:31 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: samtheman
Do prosecutors ever bring up the CSI factor? Was it mentioned to the jury in this case?

I don't think it was brought up and there's a reason: juries tend to perceive that kind of argumentation as a concession by the prosecution that their evidence is weak.

It's something that is tailor-made for the defense to jump all over.

32 posted on 07/05/2011 7:58:25 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: vicar7

But at what rate for the defense lawyers...? There’s got to be a cap..I assume that Baez is doing much pro bono to get the publicity..


33 posted on 07/05/2011 7:59:09 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: freebird5850

There certainly is a theory (with evidence) about how Caylee died. It’s been said that she was chloroformed and had her nose and mouth shut off with duct tape. Only the Defense says there isn’t an account.

Thanks for starting this today!


34 posted on 07/05/2011 7:59:23 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: freebird5850

Wont be any news until Jury is ready with verdict or that they are sending the Judge questions.


35 posted on 07/05/2011 7:59:26 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: ken5050
Does anyone know what the defense costs are, and who’s paying what?
The taxpayers are paying for both sides of this trial. I don't know how much, or whether it's just Orange County or whether it's the whole state.
36 posted on 07/05/2011 8:00:13 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: miss marmelstein
What was that tattoo Casey got and when did she get it?

Could be her downfall.

37 posted on 07/05/2011 8:00:21 AM PDT by McGruff (Why do they fear her so?)
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To: miss marmelstein
Question I'd pose to all who hav been following the trial:

Assume you've committed a murder, it's a pretty heinous crime, lots of evidence against you..but no overt smoking gun. You obviously will do anything possible to get off. Woudl you hire Baez to defend you?

38 posted on 07/05/2011 8:02:34 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: McGruff

She got the tattoo after the daughter went missing. It reads “bella vita” in ungrammatical Italian - translated it means roughly “the good life” or “the beautiful life”.


39 posted on 07/05/2011 8:02:46 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: freebird5850

I only watched the prosecution closing arguments; I didn’t see the closing arguments of the defense.

Now I’m searching for them on youtube and only finding tiny snippets.

Does anyone have a link to the defense closing arguments?


40 posted on 07/05/2011 8:03:14 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: miss marmelstein
There certainly is a theory (with evidence) about how Caylee died. It’s been said that she was chloroformed and had her nose and mouth shut off with duct tape. Only the Defense says there isn’t an account.

That is my conclusion as well.
41 posted on 07/05/2011 8:03:45 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: truthkeeper; freebird5850; fatima
I got stuck the other day on the decomposition smell the dogs found in the Anthonys' backyard. It just didn't make sense that Caylee died elsewhere, was taken out of the car, laid on the ground while Casey was attempting to dig a hole in the ground with the shovel she borrowed from the neighbor. She could have easily been caught had the neighbor stopped in, parents come home, etc.

Fatima had this theory: I think she was dead when Casey left with her that day.I think she took the shovel to get the bag out of the trunk and toss it in the woods.Then she rinsed it off back by the playhouse -hence the odor hit-.

Here's another. What if she (and/or the mother, Cindy) used a steam cleaner to try to get smell/stain out of the trunk, then dumped the water contents of the vacuum onto the ground? Cleaners used to steam clean the trunk liner could also account for some of the traces of chemicals found in the trunk. One of the experts testified that the presence of chloroform could also be from household cleaners.

Casey backed into the driveway/garage three times the first week Caylee went missing. What if she borrowed the shovel to try to move the body to the swampy area or even attempt to dig a shallow grave there. Either that day or the next time she came over, maybe she attempted to clean out the trunk?

Interview With Anthony Family Investigator Released
..........."Also included in the documents is a letter asking the FBI to compare items taken from the Anthony house in December, when a search warrant was executed. Among the items taken from the house are multiple garbage bags, a Bissell steam cleaner, Dirt Devil vacuum cleaner, a Bissell spot cleaner and one red gas can with duct tape.".................

There's also this: New discovery released in Casey Anthony case
.........."Since the Caylee Anthony case first broke nearly two years ago, we've seen investigators haul vacuum cleaner after vacuum cleaner out of the Anthony's home. Casey Anthony's mom, Cindy, told deputies she cleaned Casey's car when it came back from the tow yard because it smelled so bad. In Friday's discovery we learn that investigators tore apart four vacuum cleaners taken into evidence.

Federal Bureau of Investigation lab notes show the vacuums were examined for human hair with characteristics of human decomposition, but, none were found."...............

Now whether it was only Cindy who cleaned out the trunk (as she claimed she had), or Casey, or both.....it also explains the virtual lack of evidence (except a little hair) from Caylee's body.....mainly what was left was the decomp smell.

The vacuums seemed to have been quite clean to not find any evidence, or the use of chemicals could have helped dilute any evidence. Either the Bissell spot cleaner or the Bissell steam cleaner could have been used in cleanup. A Bissell "SpotBot" is a hands-free cleaning vacuum. Here's a link to one that that may or may not be similar to what was taken. Bissell Spotbot

When authorities seized the car on July 16, I believe they found just a little dirt and a freshener sheet in the trunk......not sure. It could be that Casey and/or Cindy HAD taken some (or all?) evidence out of the car when cleaning it.
42 posted on 07/05/2011 8:04:36 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: McGruff

“Bella Vita,” (Beautiful Life). My own take is the evil phone call played by the prosecutors yesterday is going to take her down. Casey called her parents from jail (jailed for child neglect) demanding her boyfriend’s phone number. All her parents wanted to talk about was the missing baby. The sweet Ms. Casey screamed: “you guys are a f***in’ WASTE!”


43 posted on 07/05/2011 8:04:36 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: wideawake
The case...A dead child. A lying, party girl mother who forgot to call 911.

The pool scenario should have never been introduced. It simply didn't fit.

44 posted on 07/05/2011 8:04:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: McGruff
What was that tattoo Casey got and when did she get it?
The tatoo was "Bela Vita" ("Beautiful life"). She got it during the month she was partying after Caylee was dead but before anyone else found out.

It is certainly damning. I think the real question was whether she killed Caylee on purpose or whether it was an accident. Even if it was an accident, if it was the result of her abusing Caylee (duct tape and/or chloroform) then as I understand it it could still be justification for the death penalty.

45 posted on 07/05/2011 8:05:47 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: miss marmelstein

She’ll need her parents’ help for the penalty phase so she’ll probably blame Baez for the smears. It’ll be interesting to see if she can sucker her parents again.


46 posted on 07/05/2011 8:06:17 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Girlene

Fascinating theories! But I do have to laugh at Cindy Anthony’s list of vacuum cleaners. Nurses have such a neurotic fear of germs and dirt!


47 posted on 07/05/2011 8:06:41 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: wideawake
“the beautiful life”

Someone yesterday mentioned that after she goes to prison she'll need to add "without parole" to her tattoo!
48 posted on 07/05/2011 8:06:51 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: ken5050
she felt that the IT guy would most likely be the jury foreperson..
Hey! I'm an IT guy, and the last time I was on a jury I was the jury foreman.
49 posted on 07/05/2011 8:07:49 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: wideawake

Makes sense. It’s a kind of d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don’t, situation.


50 posted on 07/05/2011 8:08:07 AM PDT by samtheman
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