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Posted on 05/14/2011 7:04:25 AM PDT by petitfour
The wife of a Tucson man killed in a Pima County SWAT raid May 5 pleaded for five minutes with 911 dispatchers to send an ambulance for her mortally wounded husband, audio records show.
Often through tears and sometimes in broken English, Vanessa Guerena, tells 911 operators that her husband had been shot by a "bunch of people" who opened the door of their southwest-side home and "just shoot him." Meanwhile, dispatchers worked to determine if she was calling from a house where the SWAT team was serving a search warrant, audio released Friday by Drexel Heights Fire Department reveals. It takes about an hour for waiting medics to know what happened, and the man is dead before fire crews are allowed into the home.
Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine, was sleeping after the graveyard shift at Asarco Mission mine about 9:30 a.m. when his wife woke him saying she heard noises outside and a man was at their window. Guerena told his wife to hide in a closet with their 4-year-old son, his wife has said. He grabbed an AR-15 rifle and moments later was slumped in the kitchen, mortally wounded from a hail of gunfire.
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Horrific!
I think if she had not been on the phone with dispatch (they didn’t know who it was) she and her child would both be dead. Every member of that SWAT team belongs behind bars until their date with the needle.
They are having a *&^^%%$****!! week ,, not just a moment ,, they are F%%%&&^D ,, the police are refusing to give up any details ,, waiting for the stories to solidify ... all the while they have an eyewitness to their murder who is ALIVE ,,, When are we going to start sending the police to prison and end these raids.
” He joined the Marines in 2002. He served two tours in Iraq in 2003 and 2005”
Then gets 70 shots from a swat team poured into his house! My God.
Every time I hear something new in this story, I feel a profound sadness for this family. I wonder if Pima County Sheriff Dupe-nik is enjoying his second fifteen minutes of fame.
Just damn.
Unfreakinbelievable.
Idiots were probably at the wrong house to boot.
wow 2 tours in iraq and then killed at home - shot 70 more times than bin laden - for no apparent reason.
just damn
Do we have to start banding together in citizen militias’ to protect our families and ourselves against these murderers with badges or is that kind of self defense talk considered over the top?
Dispatch didn’t know which houses? C’mon one of the first things they ask for is the address ....
Second, SWAT hangs around outside and not saying a thing to identify themselves?
Tightening knot in my stomach. This truly makes me sick. For the family and the breakdown of our government and country.
I’m not kidding when I say I trust and prefer to deal with drug dealers, bank robbers, thugs than I do w law enforcment in this country.
99 percent of cops in this country have earned the general disgust and hatred the public has for them.
I see these leeches where I live looting the taxpayers, showing utter disrespect for those who pay their salaries, never getting out of their cars, writing up expensive bogus tickets like nothing, testiling in court, etc.
Screw em.
Sue them individually.
These jerks should never own property again.
This has been posted a few times already but each time there is new information, thank you. The cops on FR will show up and defend the actions of this swat team. They have said he deserved what he got.
Then they deny we live in a police state.
It is heart-breaking to read about this. He served his country with two tours in Iraq, and survived. He is at home resting after working in the mines, only to be shot dead, riddled with bullets. His wife and child witnessing his violent death.
They got to put on the cool outfits that morning, kick in a door, and fire off their automatics. They felt macho, had fun, and that’s all that really matters.
Combine this story with the Indiana court ruling and tell me that we the people are somehow NOT in for a lot of grief if something isn’t done.
(Indiana) Court: No right to resist unlawful police entry
Most police departments are nothing more than taxpayer financed street gangs and shakedown operations.
Notice how you never hear about this type of thing happening against gang members like MS13 etc?
Wonder why? Cause those guys will shoot back against these taxpayer financed criminal cartels.
Similar thing happened to my Mother and Stepfather. Police at the wrong address shot buckshot through the door. They just barley missed my stepfather (too bad too because he is now serving time for kiddy porn).
I have delivered pizza before and I don’t think I have ever knocked on the wrong house. I just don’t understand it.
You know what? The coppers used to regarded by me as helpful. Now I am extremely scared of them and advise folks to never get out of the car and just roll your window down a slit and slide out your license and ins card. Call someone on your cell phone ASAP to get over there, your lawyer, your parent someone. They are bullies hiding behind a badge and many of them are on steroids which doesn’t add to their judgment.
Most cops are lazy beyond belief. All one has to do is call the local tax assessor and do a drive by the house to confirm it.
Second - didn’t these jerks ever cross check google eart, zillow, etc?
I hope every one of these murderers does life in general population.
This case brings up another serious issue about the direction law enforcement has taken in this country over the last couple of decades.
We now have local police departments that have departments operating as paramilitary organizations. These paramilitary organizations are into a lot of local law enforcement operations where they do not belong. And they get a lot of latitude in how they behave.
Essentially, our police are morphing into paramilitary organizations. Certainly not what our Constitution intended. And most certainly, something that ought to be a very loud wake up call to the general population. Which it is apparently not.
How long before most of us (with any sense) fear “law enforcement” more than we fear criminals?
These guys need to be dealt with severely. But please don’t paint all cops with such a broad brush. Get the bad ones out, and praise the good cops.
Anybody know the basis the court used to seal the official records associated with this raid?
This is completely outrageous! SWAT busting into a house and shooting someone without warning? Killing A VETERAN in his own home? Did they get the wrong house? Why was a warrant issued?
This wreaks of Pima County crap.
“These guys need to be dealt with severely. But please don’t paint all cops with such a broad brush. Get the bad ones out, and praise the good cops.”
Your not understanding that it’s not about cops. Their are good cops, bad cops, stupid cops, smart cops, heroic cops, cowardly cops, fat cops, skinny cops. It’s not about that.
We have an institutional problem. Government is too powerful. These Union Thugs with cheap haircuts, bad ass sunglasses, wide discretionary powers and a code book do big it cannot be stuffed in the back of a squad car are a symptom of large gubment. Now I could not for the life of me understand what would make anybody want to be a gubment enforcer, and live off great hunks of gubment cheese stolen from citizens, I don’t see individual cops as the problem. The problem is they are too well funded. They are protected from criminal and civil law suits for their actions. If these cops, their supervisor, the D.A. and the Judge who issued the warrant were held criminally responsible, charged with Murder One, they would be more careful. If they went to jail, then the families of these cops, D.A.’s, and judges had their houses, cars, silverware and bed sheets sold off at auction to pay restitution they would be more careful.
The special protections need to end. No buffer. Personal civil and criminal responsibility.
“Tucson police chief to participate in Obama-led immigration forum”
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_53553b24-6aab-11e0-87c9-001cc4c002e0.html
by Fernanda Echavarri, Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:31 am
Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villaseñor will meet with President Barack Obama at the White House today to discuss the nation’s immigration laws.
Villaseñor is among a bipartisan group meeting with Obama that includes California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the mayors of New York and San Antonio and Philadelphia’s police commissioner.
Villaseñor was not available for comment Tuesday morning and his office said he would not be available for a phone interview after the meeting.
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Wonder where his priorities and brains are?
A writ of CYA.
71 shots fired in 7 seconds. ALL by SWAT. Two other homes then searched in case ‘stray bullets’ hit someone else.
But it took them an hour to secure the scene enough for paramedics?
Murder.
Grunthor is right:
“...if she had not been on the phone with dispatch (they didn’t know who it was) she and her child would both be dead.”
The Internal Troops were conducting a sweep of 5 houses in the neighbourhood.
This couple had moved into their house two months previously.
Looks like shoddy.
There are Freepers living in Pima Co and this thread has been going on for some time now..
From what I gathered, it’s as corrupt as Detroit.
All involved, including the judge, loss of ALL assets.
Three of them to be executed.
Three to be wounded and left to bleed for two hours.
Let me get this right...
Possession of a firearm in your own home and pointing it at armed men who just woke you up by busting down your door is a Capitol Crime punishable by death and is to be judged and executed on the spot.
Was any evidence that they “may” have gathered worth this?
What happened to “Innocent until proven guilty”?
What happened to a trail by a jury of your piers?
If they can gather evidence at all cost, even at the cost of human life, why do we need judges and juries?
Getting to the point of Sylvester Stallone as “Judge Dredd”.
No, they just swing into cover up mode.
Where is the warrant? Was it for an individual or for the house? Why has the wife not been given a copy of the warrant? Was the warrant for the husband? They claim it was a narcotics search warrant.
So who is asking the Pima County Attorney about the warrant? Is the warrant sealed? Why is it sealed IF it is sealed? Where is the Pima County Attorney on this? Her name is Barbara LaWall for those who are not from Pima County. Forget Dupnik. Was the warrant sealed prior to the killing?
Amen.
True there are lousy cops and some Police depts are getting all into the military aspect but in all my dealing with the police here, I have never had a problem with them.
The trouble is all the cash the DHS is giving them to buy toys like armored cars and auto weapons. Some police need them, but when you go to a small,upscale community and see a armored truck and a SWAT team I shake my head.
These fools need to do hard time for a long time for killing this man.
I don't think there is any protection in the average house that will stop the kinds of rounds these guys were shooting.
IMO, *if* they thought he was a threat to them, the presence of the woman and child should have made them back out and reevaluate the situation. Not turn the man into hamburger and the house into kindling.
This has the smell of Central American paramilitary police opps.
It is very interesting to note that the police admit there is a serious problem in the city with home invasions. Which would suggest that one should expect a lot of armed homeowners.
Is he an exception or the rule?
My experience has been that most police are professional and honest and decent, despite having encountered a few yahoos.
That said, I am very concerned when I see them using things like paramilitary squads called “swat”, and things like armored cars and even tanks.
I'm also concerned when it is evident that there are too many false prosecutions based on faulty or corrupt investigations, or ambitious police or prosecutors.
T.V. and the movies have for at least since the late 40’s pushed the idea that the “authorities” are the only ones who should “deal with things”, and that the ordinary citizen is almost incompetent (or worse - sometimes filled with evil intentions ) to deal with things.
“It's a job for the law”, “don't take the law into your own hands”, etc - that's the propaganda line from T.V. and movies.
And what do we have today? A dumbed down and impotent citizenry. And an increasingly militarized and powerful multi-layered police linked nationaly through the state level down to the local. And things are becomming more and more authoritarian, aka police state like. - By accident?
“They got to put on the cool outfits that morning, kick in a door, and fire off their automatics. They felt macho, had fun, and that’s all that really matters.”
It’s a mental thing. The security guards where I work were black BDU pants and combat boots. Go figure.
Every time I go through the TSA (and I must for my job) they are more disrespectful, more attitudinous, more smart-assed, more calloused, more groping, more surly.
Of course they are Feds and this is a local cop issue but the point is, as you said, they, regardless of what level of 'gubmint' have infinite money, infinite protection from the courts, and a fundamental dislike of the citizenry.
History tells us that the more power they get, the more tyrannical they become. It's just plain old human nature. It's why America was founded.
We gotta get ALL these dogs back under the porch.
My mother lives in an area where MS13 gangs are. Serious increase in crime in the past decade. The whole area changed so fast. I went back home in 2003 and it was changing, now it’s unrecognizable.
I’m must admit I’m of the belief that we have for too many police and that I’m now more concerned about my safety from them then from criminals. At least I can shoot a criminal in self defense.
Dispatchers should have been able to pull any info they needed up right away. And to let the guy bleed to death, well I’m thinking the lady and her kids are gonna be very well off soon.
This stinks and smells like an execution. I hope the bad guys go to jail and the wife takes them and the city for millions of dollars.
If the SWAT team and police are not revealing any details they know they screwed up and are in COVER YOUR ASS mode.
The big difference is this:
Things will change if the cops ever no knock the son of a prominent politician or functionaries house and kill him. Until that happens nobody really gives a shiite about Joe bag O donuts working at the mine.
No Knock warrants have to end. But somebody “important” will have to killed to change the practice.
Been around. (leave that as it is) Bunch of has beens or wanna be s**t heads are all that you have on a SWAT team. Then politics enter into the picture. Intead of standing up and saying that this was a mistake and we will do our best to never do this again... and to releive the family of stress they duck and hide and come up with a new cover.
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