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Michigan Police Could Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops [what's a 'constitution'?]
Slashdot ^ | 4/19/11 | timothy

Posted on 04/19/2011 4:43:57 PM PDT by Clint Williams

SonicSpike writes

"The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections. 'Complete extraction of existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images, and geotags,' a CelleBrite brochure explains regarding the device's capabilities" Popular Mechanics has a short conversation with a 4th Amendment lawyer about the practice of slurping cellphone data, too, though it's unclear if the Michigan police are actually using these devices to their full potential.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; donutwatch; privacy; yourpapers
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1 posted on 04/19/2011 4:43:58 PM PDT by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams

For once, I agree with ACLU and that scares me.


2 posted on 04/19/2011 4:46:36 PM PDT by Nitehawk0325 (I have the right to remain silent, but I lack the ability...........)
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To: Clint Williams
Military grade encryption...I wonder if there's an app for that?
3 posted on 04/19/2011 4:47:36 PM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

“Military grade encryption...I wonder if there’s an app for that?”

Numerous apps for it, trouble is they’ll probably require you to give them the password or go directly to jail.

Would also require you to lock your phone before the police got it.


4 posted on 04/19/2011 4:49:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Clint Williams
I'd be all for this if we had reciprocal rights to slurp the phones of cops and elected officials.

But that would be an invasion of privacy.

5 posted on 04/19/2011 4:49:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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To: Clint Williams
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

To quote a St. Louis cop during a traffic stop wherein he and his partner violated the driver's and passenger's civil liberties, "There ain't no Constitution here."

6 posted on 04/19/2011 4:50:38 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: Clint Williams

Hey, it you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. /snark


7 posted on 04/19/2011 4:51:48 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Nitehawk0325
For once, I agree with ACLU and that scares me.

That's OK. Every once in a while, they get it right.

8 posted on 04/19/2011 4:52:09 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: COBOL2Java

“That’s OK. Every once in a while, they get it right.”

Like a broken clock.


10 posted on 04/19/2011 4:55:27 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Clint Williams
Don't live in Michigan, but if I did, I guess they would be taking me to jail before I voluntarily give up my cellphone.

Lots of sensitive business info in there as well as personal info they don't need to see.

After they did, they would have one hell of a lawsuit to fight

11 posted on 04/19/2011 4:56:12 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Clint Williams
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

To quote a St. Louis cop during a traffic stop wherein he and his partner violated the driver's and passenger's civil liberties, "There ain't no Constitution here."

12 posted on 04/19/2011 4:58:36 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: Popman

Step 1 put cell phone in an aluminum case to shield it
Step 2 deny you have one for them to look at.


13 posted on 04/19/2011 5:01:03 PM PDT by omega4179 (Trumps is every bit the fraud that Soetoro is.)
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To: Clint Williams

Instituted during Jennifer Granholm’s reign I would imagine. Funny how Dems scream the loudest about rights to privacy and then turn around and are the worst offenders.


14 posted on 04/19/2011 5:01:21 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: driftdiver
Military grade encryption...I wonder if there’s an app for that?”

Numerous apps for it, trouble is they’ll probably require you to give them the password or go directly to jail.

Would also require you to lock your phone before the police got it.

There was a piece of software for the PC I read about a while back that not only encrypted your sensitive data, but also allowed you to set up two separate passwords, your real one and a dummy. If you are forced to reveal the password, you give the dummy password, it appears to work and opens up some folders with whatever harmless garbage you put in it. There was also an option that when the dummy password was entered and the "harmless folder was opened" then information in the "sensitive folder" would be military grade wiped and overwritten. Sounds like someone needs to make a cell phone version...

15 posted on 04/19/2011 5:02:55 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Clint Williams

If you have nothing to hide what are you afraid of? /S

Weekly i get into arguments here on FR with Conservatives defending traffic checkpoints and saturation patrol’s, and welcoming increased Police surveillance and red light cameras. If you wonder why The Police State growing its because society demands it. If conservatives here on FR will defend this stuff, then you know we are screwed. My guess is that few will defend this particular brand of Statism but many don’t really think its a bad idea.

So we are screwed. The sheeple have lit the fire, to heat the water to boil themselves in. It is a Republic after all.


16 posted on 04/19/2011 5:09:22 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Clint Williams
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I don't see any "wiggle room" here. It's reasonable to search during an arrest for weapons, but there is no excuse to search a cell phone, the modern equivalent of our "papers". None. It's time to return to the rule of law, hopefully peacefully, but it's not clear that the thugs in power are interested in returning to their proper role.

17 posted on 04/19/2011 5:11:00 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: apillar

Cell phones are harder because people don’t want to enter a password before using them. So they sit unlocked most of the time. The same apps which provide cell phone encryption can also do a remote wipe. They aren’t cheap though as they are generally targeted at business users.

BTW the military and commercial organizations pretty much use the same encryption these days, 128 bit SSL for web traffic, 256AES or 3DES for other stuff. All the ‘military’ wipe does is over-write everything 7 times. The military standard is usually the reference for commercial organizations here as well.


18 posted on 04/19/2011 5:12:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nitehawk0325
For once, I agree with ACLU and that scares me.

And that should be the GREAT BIG clue that lets everyone know just how far out of control law enforcement has grown in this country...

19 posted on 04/19/2011 5:17:13 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Clint Williams

Just more confirmation I was right when I decided I will never have a cell phone.

Saves me money and protects my privacy, WIN!


20 posted on 04/19/2011 5:18:48 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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