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Michigan Police Could Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops [what's a 'constitution'?]
Slashdot ^ | 4/19/11 | timothy

Posted on 04/19/2011 4:43:57 PM PDT by Clint Williams

SonicSpike writes

"The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections. 'Complete extraction of existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images, and geotags,' a CelleBrite brochure explains regarding the device's capabilities" Popular Mechanics has a short conversation with a 4th Amendment lawyer about the practice of slurping cellphone data, too, though it's unclear if the Michigan police are actually using these devices to their full potential.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; donutwatch; privacy; yourpapers
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1 posted on 04/19/2011 4:43:58 PM PDT by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams

For once, I agree with ACLU and that scares me.


2 posted on 04/19/2011 4:46:36 PM PDT by Nitehawk0325 (I have the right to remain silent, but I lack the ability...........)
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To: Clint Williams
Military grade encryption...I wonder if there's an app for that?
3 posted on 04/19/2011 4:47:36 PM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

“Military grade encryption...I wonder if there’s an app for that?”

Numerous apps for it, trouble is they’ll probably require you to give them the password or go directly to jail.

Would also require you to lock your phone before the police got it.


4 posted on 04/19/2011 4:49:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Clint Williams
I'd be all for this if we had reciprocal rights to slurp the phones of cops and elected officials.

But that would be an invasion of privacy.

5 posted on 04/19/2011 4:49:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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To: Clint Williams
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

To quote a St. Louis cop during a traffic stop wherein he and his partner violated the driver's and passenger's civil liberties, "There ain't no Constitution here."

6 posted on 04/19/2011 4:50:38 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: Clint Williams

Hey, it you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. /snark


7 posted on 04/19/2011 4:51:48 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Nitehawk0325
For once, I agree with ACLU and that scares me.

That's OK. Every once in a while, they get it right.

8 posted on 04/19/2011 4:52:09 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: COBOL2Java

“That’s OK. Every once in a while, they get it right.”

Like a broken clock.


10 posted on 04/19/2011 4:55:27 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Clint Williams
Don't live in Michigan, but if I did, I guess they would be taking me to jail before I voluntarily give up my cellphone.

Lots of sensitive business info in there as well as personal info they don't need to see.

After they did, they would have one hell of a lawsuit to fight

11 posted on 04/19/2011 4:56:12 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Clint Williams
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

To quote a St. Louis cop during a traffic stop wherein he and his partner violated the driver's and passenger's civil liberties, "There ain't no Constitution here."

12 posted on 04/19/2011 4:58:36 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: Popman

Step 1 put cell phone in an aluminum case to shield it
Step 2 deny you have one for them to look at.


13 posted on 04/19/2011 5:01:03 PM PDT by omega4179 (Trumps is every bit the fraud that Soetoro is.)
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To: Clint Williams

Instituted during Jennifer Granholm’s reign I would imagine. Funny how Dems scream the loudest about rights to privacy and then turn around and are the worst offenders.


14 posted on 04/19/2011 5:01:21 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: driftdiver
Military grade encryption...I wonder if there’s an app for that?”

Numerous apps for it, trouble is they’ll probably require you to give them the password or go directly to jail.

Would also require you to lock your phone before the police got it.

There was a piece of software for the PC I read about a while back that not only encrypted your sensitive data, but also allowed you to set up two separate passwords, your real one and a dummy. If you are forced to reveal the password, you give the dummy password, it appears to work and opens up some folders with whatever harmless garbage you put in it. There was also an option that when the dummy password was entered and the "harmless folder was opened" then information in the "sensitive folder" would be military grade wiped and overwritten. Sounds like someone needs to make a cell phone version...

15 posted on 04/19/2011 5:02:55 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Clint Williams

If you have nothing to hide what are you afraid of? /S

Weekly i get into arguments here on FR with Conservatives defending traffic checkpoints and saturation patrol’s, and welcoming increased Police surveillance and red light cameras. If you wonder why The Police State growing its because society demands it. If conservatives here on FR will defend this stuff, then you know we are screwed. My guess is that few will defend this particular brand of Statism but many don’t really think its a bad idea.

So we are screwed. The sheeple have lit the fire, to heat the water to boil themselves in. It is a Republic after all.


16 posted on 04/19/2011 5:09:22 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Clint Williams
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I don't see any "wiggle room" here. It's reasonable to search during an arrest for weapons, but there is no excuse to search a cell phone, the modern equivalent of our "papers". None. It's time to return to the rule of law, hopefully peacefully, but it's not clear that the thugs in power are interested in returning to their proper role.

17 posted on 04/19/2011 5:11:00 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: apillar

Cell phones are harder because people don’t want to enter a password before using them. So they sit unlocked most of the time. The same apps which provide cell phone encryption can also do a remote wipe. They aren’t cheap though as they are generally targeted at business users.

BTW the military and commercial organizations pretty much use the same encryption these days, 128 bit SSL for web traffic, 256AES or 3DES for other stuff. All the ‘military’ wipe does is over-write everything 7 times. The military standard is usually the reference for commercial organizations here as well.


18 posted on 04/19/2011 5:12:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nitehawk0325
For once, I agree with ACLU and that scares me.

And that should be the GREAT BIG clue that lets everyone know just how far out of control law enforcement has grown in this country...

19 posted on 04/19/2011 5:17:13 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Clint Williams

Just more confirmation I was right when I decided I will never have a cell phone.

Saves me money and protects my privacy, WIN!


20 posted on 04/19/2011 5:18:48 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: All

police do not want to obtain a seach warrent or look stupid asking for one that even a ham sandwich would reject.

This is no different than lookin inside houses with tech devices and not having a warrent. The USSC said no.


21 posted on 04/19/2011 5:21:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DariusBane
If conservatives here on FR will defend this stuff, then you know we are screwed.

Its what I call the "Law-And-Order-At-Any-Cost-Crowd" and there are far too many conservative and Freepers who joyfully cheer it on. And all I can surmise is that they are ignorant to what is really happening and that maybe they'll wake up one day... if that day requires them to fall victim to the unlawful actions of the police state then so be it... something has to give and folks need to wake up and see that the police are not your friends.

They are infact armed agents of the .gov that is so out of control, the same .gov we all rail on here day in and day out. Why they cannot see the police as part of this same juggernaut is beyond my understanding...

I kinda equate it to those who lived in the cities and towns near the concentration camps. They all knew full well what was going on. Many supported the practice while others just kept quite... maybe out of fear they would be next.

22 posted on 04/19/2011 5:23:45 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Clint Williams

Carry a fake cell phone with names and information about current Democrats and what places they went (loads of room there for fun). Store phone numbers of the capitol and some high power representatives. Lots of room for creativity.


23 posted on 04/19/2011 5:24:17 PM PDT by SkyDancer (For the Left It's far easier for them to preach tolerance than practice tolerance.)
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To: longtermmemmory
The USSC said no.

Since when has that ever stopped the police from doing anything illegal, unconstitutional or just out right stupid?

24 posted on 04/19/2011 5:24:57 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Loyal Sedition
Saves me money and protects my privacy, WIN!

Serf.....duh, I won't own property because they might come and violate my 4th Amendment rights.

Puss

25 posted on 04/19/2011 5:27:39 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: omega4179

Also turn it off, so that they can’t scan it.


26 posted on 04/19/2011 5:36:37 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Clint Williams

tech ping


27 posted on 04/19/2011 5:36:48 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: ShadowAce

tech ping


28 posted on 04/19/2011 5:36:57 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Clint Williams

Seem federal wiretapping laws could come into play here, not to mention that pesky constitution.


29 posted on 04/19/2011 5:37:56 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

No, I won’t waste money on a device that is more annoying than useful.
Not volunteering to be reamed by the Police State is a side benefit.

I do not want to be called while driving, I have a phone at home and in my office, so no need to phone while away from them.
I have computers too, and no need to be online away from home or work.

MY identity and “Self” are independent of others, I do not require a list of electronic “Friends” and “Likes” to know who I am and what I want.

You are welcome to be a slave to an ever increasing number of devices and fads, I have better things to do with my life.


30 posted on 04/19/2011 5:38:07 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“They are in fact armed agents of the .gov that is so out of control, the same .gov we all rail on here day in and day out. Why they cannot see the police as part of this same juggernaut is beyond my understanding... “

That is the mystery... I understand that conservatives have traditionally valued order. I get that. However I am convinced that an autocratic Royalist inclination has survived Jefferson and the centuries.


31 posted on 04/19/2011 5:40:20 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Clint Williams

This is another reminder that when people say cops wouldn’t follow orders such as to confiscate firearms because they are honest patriotic Americans, well they sure as Hell would. Cops couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the Constitution when they do such things such as this. Why in God’s name would they even want to do something like this much less believe it to be constitutional??


32 posted on 04/19/2011 5:41:00 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Travis McGee

Electronic data mining ping.


33 posted on 04/19/2011 5:42:49 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: SkyDancer

That’s probably the best solution.

Same with your computer. Keep the one you don’t really care about in the open, but hide the one you consider vital hidden away and limit your internet time on it at all time.


34 posted on 04/19/2011 5:45:35 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Loyal Sedition
No, I won’t waste money on a device that is more annoying than useful.

That's your choice, however, I use it for business and expect Constitutional protection.

MY identity and “Self” are independent of others, I do not require a list of electronic “Friends” and “Likes” to know who I am and what I want.

I wrote "serf"

I have computers too, and no need to be online away from home or work.

You are welcome to be a slave to an ever increasing number of devices and fads, I have better things to do with my life.

Oxymoron troll.

35 posted on 04/19/2011 5:51:21 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: mojitojoe

Gotta hot one here.....


36 posted on 04/19/2011 5:52:22 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: DariusBane
However I am convinced that an autocratic Royalist inclination has survived Jefferson and the centuries.

Yes and far too often I ask Freepers alike how is it that a ruler, any ruler over us, politician, police officer, et al having unlimited power, not a despot?

37 posted on 04/19/2011 5:53:29 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: CodeToad
This is another reminder that when people say cops wouldn’t follow orders such as to confiscate firearms because they are honest patriotic Americans, well they sure as Hell would.

Absolutely, how is it that the Freepers think that when the times comes the cops will (somehow) differentiate between this unconstitutional action they do without hesitation nor regard to the law, from gun confiscation?

Again it simply passes all logic...

38 posted on 04/19/2011 5:56:02 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Loyal Sedition
Not volunteering to be reamed by the Police State is a side benefit.

You will obey.....SERF!

Just be sure and ask them for some lube first, maybe even a kiss afterword.

People like you make me sick.....oooh please place the chains lightly upon my wrist, then feed me.

39 posted on 04/19/2011 6:00:00 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

You must live in a different reality than I do.

“Serf”, hardly!

A serf would not have the gumption to ignore the fads of the day, they would be desperate to “fit in”.
A serf would not know most of his states senior politicians on sight, and they him.
A serf never would have instigated and organized a rally of thousands on the state capitol steps.
I’ve fought this sort of police state garbage for decades.
You have no clue who I am, you need to marshall some logic in place of trivial and ignorant insult.
This particular outrage is no surprise, I used to have a job in the telecom field.
I’ve personally installed software patches to enable similar snooping by Gov. Org. on Voicemail systems!
This is not new, just another venue created by new technology.


40 posted on 04/19/2011 6:05:24 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: Loyal Sedition
You are welcome to be a slave to an ever increasing number of devices and fads, I have better things to do with my life.

Like, ah, spending your evenings posting on an internet chat forum?

41 posted on 04/19/2011 6:08:32 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: DariusBane
That is the mystery... I understand that conservatives have traditionally valued order. I get that. However I am convinced that an autocratic Royalist inclination has survived Jefferson and the centuries.

That's just it - conservatives DO and SHOULD value order - but a police state is not order. Order implies the rule of law, not the rule of law enforcement. True order is a necessity for liberty - but simply passing ever more onerous laws, while breaking the foundational one that supposedly directs everything else, is not order - it is chaos.

42 posted on 04/19/2011 6:11:43 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
That's your choice, however, I use it for business and expect Constitutional protection.

Thanks for the laugh. P.T. Barnum loves you! LOL

43 posted on 04/19/2011 6:13:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Loyal Sedition
You must live in a different reality than I do.

LOL, fraid not.

You are sitting here posting with "technology" that the fed can come and invade yet criticize the technolology of cell phones because they can be compromised.....by the assertion the government can access it so you won't own one.

Your whole premise is flawed, and you are trolling....or....a serf, troll, idiot.

44 posted on 04/19/2011 6:15:11 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

When my back is this bad, as it is today, yes.

On better days, better activities.
Did do some shooting this afternoon, including a suppressed .45 carbine.

Spent the morning sifting through RKBA related legislation to see what survived it’s first committee deadline, and passing the information on to other activist.
Not a lot of fun, just necessary to attempt to protect freedom.


45 posted on 04/19/2011 6:15:46 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: TigersEye
Thanks for the laugh. P.T. Barnum loves you! LOL

Ironic, eh?

46 posted on 04/19/2011 6:16:58 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Very well said Titus...

The Police State has replaced personal accountability, personal responsibility, moral law, Natural Lawas Blackstone taught.


47 posted on 04/19/2011 6:18:34 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Loyal Sedition
Did do some shooting this afternoon, including a suppressed .45 carbine.

Good grief, dude, this is on open commlink - don't tell people stuff like that.

48 posted on 04/19/2011 6:18:34 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Jail bait calling someone a serf is something but I don’t think it’s irony. ;-)


49 posted on 04/19/2011 6:19:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Yes and far too often I ask Freepers alike how is it that a ruler, any ruler over us, politician, police officer, et al having unlimited power, not a despot?

I suspect the time may come when law enforcement agencies and officers will be disciplined.

50 posted on 04/19/2011 6:21:12 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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