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Brazil stares down the US on Libya
Al Jazeera ^ | Wednesday, March 30, 2011 | Greg Grandin

Posted on 04/02/2011 2:50:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The bad blood started, or so the story went, when Lula refused to listen to the administration of George W. Bush and isolate Venezuela's populist leader, Hugo Chávez. Before long, Brasilia was opposing or, worse, offering alternatives to Washington's position on a growing number of issues: climate change, opposition to the 2009 coup in Honduras, Cuba, trade and tariffs.

Lula declined to criticise Iran and opened up a separate negotiating channel, outside of Washington's influence and much to its annoyance, with Tehran to discuss Iran's nuclear ambitions.

The former Brazilian president also welcomed the president of the Palestinian National Authority, Mahmoud Abbas to Brazil, leading the rest of Latin America to recognise the Palestinian state and calling for direct talks with Hamas and Hezbollah.

Various explanations were posited in the US press for Lula's behavior, which, for a Latin American leader, was unprecedented considering the historically subservient role Latin America has long played to Washington. At times it was described as a personality disorder, a striving for attention on the world stage; at other moments it was explained away as Lula's need to play to his party's rank and file, which, apparently, always enjoys a good tweaking of the US's nose.

In any case, Obama's visit just after Dilma's election offered a chance for a reset. Rousseff, it was reported, would be eager to use the trip to distance herself from her political patron, Lula. Though she was a member of a Marxist-Leninist guerrilla organisation opposing a US-backed dictatorship during her youth in the 1970s, Brazil's new leader had, according to the Washington Post, a "practical approach to governance and foreign relations after eight years of the flamboyant Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva".

(Excerpt) Read more at english.aljazeera.net ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: brazil; bric; dilmarousseff; kenyanbornmuzzie; libya; whitehousejihadist
Greg Grandin is a professor of history at New York University and a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. He is the author of a number of prize-winning books, including most recently, Fordlandia: The Rise and Fall of Henry Ford’s Forgotten Jungle City (Metropolitan 2009), which was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in History, as well as for the National Book Award and the National Book Critics Circle Award.

1 posted on 04/02/2011 2:50:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
Some commentators believed Dilma Rousseff, Brazil's first female president, would be more accommodating to US interests than her predecessor [AFP]

Brazil stares down the US on Libya

2 posted on 04/02/2011 2:51:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv
Isn't she a leftist guerrilla fighter?
3 posted on 04/02/2011 2:56:31 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: SunkenCiv

In fact, his has LOTS to do with CHINA’S new role in Latin America —China has quickly and dramatically replaced the USA as the top destination of Brazil’s exports.

China often brings up the quesiton of the target country’s policies to the US as a criteria for trand and diplomacy.


4 posted on 04/02/2011 2:57:57 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: SunkenCiv

Brazil is run by commies these days. Was that mentioned in the article?


5 posted on 04/02/2011 3:00:05 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SunkenCiv
She would look best turning over coals on a spit with an an apple in her mouth.
6 posted on 04/02/2011 3:13:37 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: SunkenCiv

In fact, his has LOTS to do with CHINA’S new role in Latin America —China has quickly and dramatically replaced the USA as the top destination of Brazil’s exports.

China often brings up the quesiton of the target country’s policies to the US as a criteria for trand and diplomacy.


7 posted on 04/02/2011 3:14:22 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: SunkenCiv

By the way ....how’s the Obama (taxpayer) funded oil drilling working out?


8 posted on 04/02/2011 3:18:06 PM PDT by Radio Free American? (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: gaijin
Not only China, the entire BRIC.

Please note that Brazil, India China and Russia abstained to support Obummer's folly in Libya.

It is not very wise to take an action your banker does not approve of.

9 posted on 04/02/2011 3:19:32 PM PDT by DTA (CENTCOM vs. AFRICOM)
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To: SunkenCiv
...opposition to the 2009 coup in Honduras,...

For a professor of history he sure has a short memory. 0bungle, Hillary and the State Dept. all supported Mel Zelaya's coup on the Honduran constitution. Lula backed Zelaya too.

10 posted on 04/02/2011 3:39:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Radio Free American?

Yeah, what the hell good are all the payoffs doing? Oh, wait, those are going to Soros.


11 posted on 04/02/2011 3:39:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv
Hey Freeppers? Pay attention to this:

Former Brazilian President Lula is a COMMUNIST and Represent the São Paulo Forum;

Dilma Roussef, the actual Brazilian President is a Communists and Represents the São Paulo Forum;

The São Paulo Forum is the gathering of all leftists in South America and was founded in 1990 by Lula and Fidel Castro.

The São Paulo Forum actually Stated Purpose is to “Recover in South America what was lost in East Europe by the USSR Fall".

Everything, everything that can be made by this people to undermine, damage and accelerate the downfall of America will be done, believe me... PS: Dilma Roussef is the Guerrila that kidnapped former US Ambassador Charles Burke Elbrick.

12 posted on 04/02/2011 3:43:04 PM PDT by Mayr Fortuna
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To: gaijin

Thanks gaijin.


13 posted on 04/02/2011 4:16:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

Central and South America is afflicted with “Old Europe Disease”, which is a devolved version of a royal aristocracy.

Typically, a dozen or so wealthy families control most of the nation’s wealth. But unlike far more egalitarian America, where the wealthy don’t mind at all when others become wealthy, in the OED countries, the wealthy strive that there be only two classes: the very wealthy and the peasants.

They do not want a middle class, and they certainly do not want an upper middle class with aspirations to become wealthy, so scheme with the government they control to keep this from happening.

In turn, this builds tremendous resentment among the poor, who gravitate to violent egalitarian movements, often socialist or communist.

Yet with great irony, if they ever succeed in overthrowing the government, the revolutionaries set themselves up as the new aristocracy. This is because the poor, as well as the wealthy, suffer from OED. They neither understand nor appreciate what a middle class can be in a nation.

This is why a crude baboon like Chavez imagines himself as the aristocratic Simón Bolívar, a legitimate Spanish nobleman.

And it is also why central and South America have been afflicted with both pseudo-aristocratic tyrants and violent egalitarian revolutions for hundreds of years.


14 posted on 04/02/2011 5:43:42 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: SunkenCiv
Brazil is very loosely knitted country. There is not really strong cental government. The local and city governments are all pround to be Brazilian, but have independent streaks that do not bode well for a nation along the lines of the US with a Strong Federal or even Strong State/Regional governments.

Take Rio de Janeiro, it is a city with Slums (Fevela's) everywhere; the people in those areas outnumber the ones productive in the city. There are "truces" with the crime leaders, like a pledge not to come down out of the hills and destroy tourism by robbing visitors; and in exchange free electric will flow along with water and other vital resources to keep them "pacified".

A rumor I heard at work (e.g., the consulate) is that some of the employess are considering moving into the fevela's because it is cheaper to live in those areas - maybe not the freebies, but rather that all prices may be less but you are not quite as safe as down along the coastal beach areas:)

15 posted on 04/02/2011 6:24:06 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: Radio Free American?
I don't know about that but Brazil captured the Olympics and Obama was told to pack sand, so now he is on is knees to Brazil.. Just taking orders, I guess.
16 posted on 04/03/2011 12:51:36 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: Jumper

I’d like it even better if they didn’t have any more birthdays.


17 posted on 04/03/2011 7:42:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Jumper

Whoops! Ignore that, it was for a different window. Yikes.

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Thanks Jumper, that’s interesting. It’s an interesting way to handle the transition from rural to urban, pre-industrial to industrial, etc. Not too sure I’d want to save the money at the risk that could be involved though. :’)


18 posted on 04/03/2011 7:44:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The Sandinistas did the same thing — overthrew the old regime, then moved into their mansions.


19 posted on 04/03/2011 7:46:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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