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Miami-Dade voters remove Mayor Carlos Alvarez
AP/YahooNews ^ | 3/15/11

Posted on 03/15/2011 8:21:04 PM PDT by Kartographer

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"Francisco Rodriguez, 58, a bus driver, said his property taxes increased by about $600 this year, leading him to cancel his health insurance. He voted to remove Alvarez.

"It's time for him to go," Rodriguez said. "We want a change."

I think there is alot of CHANGE coming and soon!


1 posted on 03/15/2011 8:21:07 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer
People are pissed.

Barry doesn't have a prayer of getting a second term, but we want him to take up the Democrat slot.

Wouldn't want Hillary to sneak in.

2 posted on 03/15/2011 8:23:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: Kartographer

I read that Alverez is a republican. Or should I say RHINO.


3 posted on 03/15/2011 8:27:11 PM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: Kartographer

So what now? It would seem that Mayor Carlos Alvarez is a Republican right? A Republican who acted like a Democrat and raised taxes which infuriated people. So he is gone, what fills the void? Does this mean the Democrats have a good shot at taking over here?


4 posted on 03/15/2011 8:27:26 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Hillary, like Mitt Romneycare is mortally tainted by the attempted healthcare takeover.

She has no positives over for the left Tingle Barry.


5 posted on 03/15/2011 8:30:41 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Longbow1969

That’s why it was reported by the AP. If Ramirez were a Dummycrap, you think this would be in the news?


6 posted on 03/15/2011 8:30:41 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Kartographer

I’m not getting it. Don’t recall election also include electing a NEW mayor? I didn’t see this mentioned. So are they mayor-less now?


7 posted on 03/15/2011 8:33:42 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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They’ll hold a special election for the remainder of the term (for which Alvarez may run in, although after getting rejected by almost 90% of those voting, that would be dumb). I can’t fathom why they didn’t hold it in the same election.


8 posted on 03/15/2011 8:36:36 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Longbow1969

“So he is gone, what fills the void?”

Conventional wisdom would say that the candidate who runs on the promise to rescind the Alvarez property tax hike is the likely winner, regardless of the “letter” following his name.


9 posted on 03/15/2011 8:40:27 PM PDT by Let_It_Be_So
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To: Kartographer

Marco Rubio should resign from the Senate, Run for Mayor, and have the Governor appoint a Conservative replacement for him. Time to start playing hardball. Rubio can run again in another state for Senator next year.


10 posted on 03/15/2011 8:45:56 PM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (purple durple lips)
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To: Longbow1969

A lot of Cuban-American Republicans act like RINOs - Mel Martinez, Rep. Illena Ros-Leithen, the Rep. Diaz-Balart brothers (plural like those mexican american house sisters in CA) not to be confused with the Diaz brothers in Scarface. Another supposed conservative who is soft on the border.

I think this Mayor also got dumped because they taxed for a new baseball stadium for the Marlins even though their attendance is poor. I have a relative down in Key West who mentioned this.


11 posted on 03/15/2011 8:47:48 PM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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My local School District has a levy for just over that amount in store for my city. They do not understand that people are out of work, unable to sell their homes or move, are in foreclosure, or at a minimum, financially strapped; regardless of how much they make.

Gas and food costs are up, up, up! Wages and property values are down, yet they demand more from the private sector? Goodness.


12 posted on 03/15/2011 8:52:01 PM PDT by Bshaw (Please don't tug my nosering so violently....)
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To: CriticalJ

No pretty sure he is a rat


13 posted on 03/15/2011 8:57:46 PM PDT by italianquaker (Maobama)
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To: italianquaker

I was wrong he is a republican


14 posted on 03/15/2011 9:00:13 PM PDT by italianquaker (Maobama)
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To: italianquaker

Wiki says he’s a Republican, whatever that’s worth.


15 posted on 03/15/2011 9:01:18 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Kartographer

Wow.


16 posted on 03/15/2011 9:03:29 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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Will his replacement be any better?? This is FloriDUH after all


17 posted on 03/15/2011 9:04:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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“My local School District has a levy for just over that amount in store for my city. They do not understand that people are out of work, unable to sell their homes or move, are in foreclosure, or at a minimum, financially strapped; regardless of how much they make.”

They certainly understand you cannot sell your home and move; that is WHY they are able to keep increasing taxes. Even worse, prior to the housing meltdown, those taxes increases (at least here in NJ, among the highest property taxes in the nation) were such a drag on home prices. Who wants to buy a house in a so-so neighborhood with taxes of $8K annually? When you own it outright you’ll still pay $650+ per month to live their...

Anyone under thirty who hasn’t bought a home yet is smart enough to make sure they never do; at least here in NJ, any fed. income tax benefit is more than offset by very high property taxes. Now that the younger generations seem to have sworn off breeding, why would they expose themselves to such robbery? Also, they’ll keep the mobility to follow their jobs from state to state (or another country) as we become China.


18 posted on 03/15/2011 9:11:45 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: MrEdd
Hi Mr Edd....darn that's funny....Obama = Tingle Barry

did you mean "dingle berry"....LOL

I like to use "0bambi"

where 0 = the zero character.

19 posted on 03/15/2011 9:13:27 PM PDT by spokeshave (WTF....the only thing 0bambi's investments will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy.)
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To: italianquaker
he is a republican

LOL!
Yeah, he's a "Republican" like Michael Bloomberg is a "Republican".

20 posted on 03/15/2011 9:16:11 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

‘Marco Rubio should resign from the Senate, Run for Mayor, and have the Governor appoint a Conservative replacement for him.’

So he should go from US Senator and potential Vice Presidential candidate to mayor of Miami? Are you nuts!


21 posted on 03/15/2011 9:21:24 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Kartographer
Alvarez maintained throughout the recall effort that raising taxes was necessary to fill a $444 million gap and avoid cuts to critical social services.

I'd like to see a list of these "critical" social services.

Ha!

22 posted on 03/15/2011 9:22:21 PM PDT by winstonwolf33
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To: Kartographer

“We want a change.”

A shame! For an extra $0.99 you could have gotten some hope to go with it


23 posted on 03/15/2011 9:32:24 PM PDT by mewykwistmas
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To: Frantzie
I think this Mayor also got dumped because they taxed for a new baseball stadium for the Marlins even though their attendance is poor. I have a relative down in Key West who mentioned this.

Nope. Not one penny of current property taxes goes to the stadium. The bonds will be repaid by the existing 6% hotel bed tax (paid almost exclusively by tourists,) 1% of which is designated for sports facilities. Only in the future event that bed tax revenues are insufficient will any general revenues be used. No part of any property tax increase was due to the stadium.

But, don't let your or your relative's lack of knowledge stop you from engaging in inaccurate and unfounded speculation.

24 posted on 03/15/2011 9:35:36 PM PDT by AntiScumbag
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Have all of you read about the guy who led the recall campaign against the mayor? His name is Norman Braman, a son of immigrants, who grew up in Philly and apparently rose from water boy for the Philadelphia Eagles to the team's president(?!). He would later sell the team in 1994 and then make a fortune owning a fleet of car dealerships!

Previously, he was successful in an ANTI-TAX campaign that would have increase the city's sales tax in order to fund (get this) a renovation of the Miami Dolphins football stadium. All this is from Wikipedia. This is some American story!

Hey, Norman Braman's my kinda guy. Miamians should smarten up and nominate HIM as mayor! Sounds like someone that can take care of business down there.

25 posted on 03/15/2011 9:45:52 PM PDT by winstonwolf33
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To: Longbow1969

Sounds more like they’re ready for a more conservative mayor.


26 posted on 03/15/2011 9:57:32 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Lancey Howard
He's a "Republican" like Michael Bloomberg is a "Republican".

Or labor union apologist Martin Marxist Luther King, Jr.

27 posted on 03/15/2011 10:13:52 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: rogue yam
Wiki says he’s a Republican, whatever that’s worth.

Today, overall, not much!

28 posted on 03/15/2011 10:19:06 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (I accomp... I acomp... I dood it!)
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To: Kartographer
Now, if only the entire USA could vote to expel Carlos Estevez...
29 posted on 03/15/2011 11:03:02 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Le Parti du The'. Ne marchez pas sur moi!)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight
Marco Rubio should resign from the Senate, Run for Mayor, and have the Governor appoint a Conservative replacement for him. Time to start playing hardball. Rubio can run again in another state for Senator next year.

That's one slick idea. If it had a snowballs chance, I'd be for it.

30 posted on 03/15/2011 11:08:35 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Kartographer

My question is: will the new mayor fight to roll back the tax increases? Can he do that?


31 posted on 03/15/2011 11:40:00 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: winstonwolf33

Your version is accurate but he was not water boy. The family owns/owned lots of car dealerships and bought the Eagles I thin in the 1980s. From what I have heard - he has been fighting the crooked politicians in Miami from robbing taxpayers.

The city had a $444 or so million short fall? That is half a billion. Cheap for NYC but still and insane amount of money.


32 posted on 03/15/2011 11:48:13 PM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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Yeah let’s just tax the tourist to build a stadium. Like it makes it any better. Politicians building ball fields for wealth team owners. It is still corruption.


33 posted on 03/15/2011 11:49:52 PM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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He didn’t just raise taxes, he also raised salaries for people who were already well paid. Kind of like reducing taxes for the very rich. More and more people are getting really p&*^ed. How many people are aware that the top 1% of the population has as much money as the bottom 50%?


34 posted on 03/16/2011 12:20:05 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: AntiScumbag; Frantzie

no need to be tacky to frantzie...he/she was merely poorly informed..hardly a flameworthy post


35 posted on 03/16/2011 12:27:28 AM PDT by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: Kartographer

Typical.

These people flee the oppression of their government and the first thing they do is vote in the same type of people they were trying to avoid.

Morons would be ashamed to be associated with them.

Just like the Roman Empire this once great country is being rotted to the core by immigration. Leeches.

Those who can’t create on their own will suck the life blood out of those who can.

If they could manifest a society of prosperity, then, they wouldn’t have to come here in the first place.

Parasites.


36 posted on 03/16/2011 12:31:59 AM PDT by waus (FUBO UFCMF, Just in case I stuttered, FUBO)
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To: Let_It_Be_So; All

Having read the continuation of the article, and then a bunch of the comments it appears a very rich guy promoted the recall. In addition to giving his people a pay raise, Alvarez also pushed through a $600 million sports arena, and the city is over $400 million in arrears. What idiocy. One comment said that Walker in Wisconsin has also given his staff a hefty pay raise. Anyone know the truth of that allegation? Also a number of the comments urged a recall petition on the Florida Republican governor, Scott.


37 posted on 03/16/2011 12:39:49 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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Many years ago, when I lived in NJ, there was no state income tax. Is there a state income tax now? In Florida there is no state income tax, but the hurricane insurance costs are much higher than insurance in other states. I helped my son buy a 3 bedroom house in Miami in 2001 for $120,000. My daughter-in-law tells me the house is now worth $88,000.


38 posted on 03/16/2011 12:45:15 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

NJ - (formerly from until 3 yrs. ago)... 7% sales tax

PA (where I am now) 6% sales tax


39 posted on 03/16/2011 1:35:52 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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oops, state income tax you asked about...yes to both NJ and PA, not sure of the percentages, but both have the tax


40 posted on 03/16/2011 1:36:45 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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I guess there is just not enough of Gov. Chris Christie to go around. They will have to find their own.


41 posted on 03/16/2011 1:40:47 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Frantzie
So, you admit that you don't know what you're talking about. Thanks for that.

Further, I never said that I agreed with tax-funding (regardless of who is paying them) of any stadium. Sports owners should pay entirely for their own stadia. That isn't what happened here, but neither are your ignorant fantasies.

And, Miami-Dade county owns the venue, the stadium wasn't given away to the owners.

Then, there's your shot at the Marlins' "poor" attendance. Let's examine that.

The current ownership inherited the single worst stadium deal in all of ML sports. They play baseball in a cavernous football stadium. They get not one dime from parking. They get not one dime from concessions. They get not one dime from skyboxes or luxury suites because there aren't any. Their home games can be pre-empted by outside events like concerts. They are subject to the vagaries of Florida heat, humidity and rain.

Yet, the current ownership won a World Series in 2003 with a payroll of about $50 million, less than a third of the defeated Yankees' outlays.

They manage to put competitive teams on the field, year after year on a relative shoestring. And, in 2010 they attracted 1.53 million fans, despite the crummy venue and their severe financial limitations. That was more than Oakland and Toronto, both more established franchises.

The new stadium will give the Marlins control of their own destiny. They will control concessions and derive major revenue from them. They will have revenues from parking. There will be luxury suites and they will derive substantial revenues from them. They will not be pre-empted by outside events they didn't book, in fact they will control booking of outside events and derive revenue from them. They will no longer be subject to rain or the rest of the weather problems, every game will be played and will be played in pleasant conditions.

In short, they will be able to field a team with a league-average sort of payroll of around $80 million.

Premium ticket sales for 2012 (next season, not this season) are well ahead of expectations and it is likely that the joint will be completely sold out for the entire 2012 season, bringing paid attendance to about 3 million. That number will likely only be bested by 8 to 10 major-market teams.

After the "new stadium" effect wears off, I'll guess that attendance will settle in at about the MLB average of 30K because it's an organization that understands how to put a consistently good product on the field and will finally have more money to do so. But, they could easily sell-out for years, the stadium only holds about 37,000.

BTW, there is no other stadium like it on the planet. Beyond being a state-of-the-art and intimate venue for baseball, and one of the few stadiums with a retractable roof it will have an absolutely stunning, jaw-dropping view (from the stands towards left field) of the Miami skyline. No other stadium has anything like it.

So much for poor attendance. I've already covered the property tax aspects. Got anything else you want to pontificate on that you know nothing about?

42 posted on 03/16/2011 2:27:29 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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no need to be tacky to frantzie...he/she was merely poorly informed

Nope, wouldn't want to let ignorance get in the way of offering less-than-useless opinions. The ignorant should be allowed to run rampant without dissent. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Sorry, pointing out facts isn't "tacky," whether you like it or not.

43 posted on 03/16/2011 2:48:48 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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Eff Carlos Alvarex, the MDX, and the donkey they came into town on. This asshole along with his apparatchiks have set up tolls every mile and a half on every godamm highway in the county, with ridiculous highway construction projects that have been going on for the last 15 years with no visible improvement on highway congestion.

Next step is to get a GOP fed DOJ to put every last County Commissioner in jail, that coming as soon as the commie in the White House gets bounced out on his ass.

44 posted on 03/16/2011 2:59:53 AM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: winstonwolf33
Norman Braman

Norman is self-made from nothing. I agree with his anti-tax philosophy. Not a dime should be spent by any government to support any stadium, other than perhaps roads, etc. to service the attending public.

That said, his lawsuit to stop the stadium was ill-founded. Which is why he lost and the stadium got built. The politicians decided that they didn't want the Marlins to move to another city, and so they worked out a deal, all within their legal purview. The Marlins are now here permanently, whether it turns out to be good or bad for the local taxpayers.

His recall effort was much better directed -- at the people who will go along with any stadium deal, other than one totally financed by the owner.

So it goes.

45 posted on 03/16/2011 3:13:33 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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Premium ticket sales for 2012 (next season, not this season) are well ahead of expectations and it is likely that the joint will be completely sold out for the entire 2012 season, bringing paid attendance to about 3 million. That number will likely only be bested by 8 to 10 major-market teams.

ROTFLMAO

You are so funny you should be a comedian, you are funnier than Larry the Cable Guy, Jim Carey and Cantiflas all rolled into one.

I hope you have fun doing the wave BY YOURSELF in the always empty Marlins stadium.

People cant afford $250 to take a family of 4 to see a shitty team with a greedy scumbag owner that has the lowest payroll in the majors, just so he can put more cash in his back pocket.

Screw the Marlins, and screw that punk Hanley Ramirez too.

46 posted on 03/16/2011 3:18:09 AM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: AntiScumbag

Why should public funds be used for a private sports stadium?

Can I tax you for my back yard? For $60 I’ll allow you to come over and sit in a chair for two hours.


47 posted on 03/16/2011 3:22:22 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa

You apparently have a problem comprehending simple English.

Get back to me after you’ve re-read all of my posts on this thread.


49 posted on 03/16/2011 3:31:42 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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