ABC News: "UFO Over Jerusalem?" (Question about reporter's comment)

ABC News ^ | Feb. 3, 2011

[pillut48]

"Tourist shoots glowing object hovering over Dome of the Rock." (video)

[pillut48]

Mods, I know this story was discussed a few days ago, but please don't delete. My question is not about the UFO or whatever, it's about the ABC reporter's use of this phrase--"Theories of what it was range from the obvious UFO to the thought it might be the Hebrew God Elohim..."

Does this sound right to you guys? For some reason red flags went up here, especially since this allegedly took place *directly* over the Muslim mosque called "Dome of the Rock"...are things being set in place to blame Jews for happening to this Islamic "holy place"?

[Farmer Dean]

What happens when the UFO decides to shoot back?

[Alas Babylon!]

Hebrew God Elohim???

They mean God, like our Father who art in Heaven?

I didn’t know the Hebrews had a God other than the One that both Christians and Jews worship.

I suppose they’re trying to distinguish from Satan, er, I mean Allah?

[EQAndyBuzz]

“What happens when the UFO decides to shoot back?”

Independence Day

[omega4179]

Please Google Elohim.

[pillut48]

It was just a strange reference...I’ve done a lot of Judeo/Christian studies, and so I’ve heard of Elohim, but as far as the ‘real’ world and in news stories, I’ve only ever heard the name “Jehovah” when talking about Jewish religion...just struck me as strange!

[Doc Savage]

They worship MONEY!!! Where have you guys been?

[Blogger]

Elohim is a biblical reference of course, but I would expect Adonai before Elohim or YHWH.

[null and void]

Besides, isn’t Elohim plural?

[Citizen Tom Paine]

Elohim is Hebrew for God.
YHWH is Hebrew for Lord.
Unfortunately, in English they are used interchangeably, but they aren’t.

[ReverendJames]

It’s all about perspective. From the photographers point of view it was over the Dome, but maybe in reality it could have been miles away. I remember flying into an airport and the tower gave me clearance to land. I told the tower there was another plane coming into the pattern. The tower said it was over three miles away. Perspective.

[Alas Babylon!]

I know that Elohim means The Lord Our God.

So I don’t need to look it up. Read what I wrote.

The media used to just say God.

Now, in order to appear neutral to the Muslims, the press is now saying “The Hebrew God Elohim”, as if Allah is His equal.

[Christian Engineer Mass]

2 thoughts on this. 1) fake. 2) "the thought it might be Hebrew God Elohim" (a) attempts to smear the Jews as being polytheistic. Many people pay very scant attention to the world, so the phrase implies to such people that maybe the jews have many gods, and this is just one of them, and bears no relation to the Christian God. (b) "thought it might be" is thrown in by the scriptwriter, just to ensure that it doesn't seem like they are affirming Judaism. Disney sucks. 3) fake.

[healy61]

An unbelievable posting.

[healy61]

I see your point.

[Steely Tom]

If it was a physical object; that is, an object that displaces air, there would have been a sonic boom when it took off, judging from it’s rate of climb.

If there was no sonic boom, then it was (a) either a fake, or (b) very, very advanced technology, or (c) a miracle.

[katana]

If it was not a) an image inserted in an otherwise nondescript night time video of the Temple Mount (the reaction of the people around the camera argues against that), b) a ball of light actually miles away that by chance was lined up perfectly with the top of the Dome of the Rock and the videographer's camera, or c) Ball Lightening (larger, more stable in flight, and unlike any I've ever seen photographed) then I can come to only one conclusion:

A quick pre-demolition survey of a building that is overdue for removal.

It is certainly one of the more convincing videos I've ever seen of a UFO.

[Vroomfondel]

especially since this allegedly took place *directly* over the Muslim mosque called "Dome of the Rock"...are things being set in place to blame Jews for happening to this Islamic "holy place"?

You do understand where the Dome of the Rock is, right?

[pillut48]

Yes, that’s why I put Islamic “holy place” in air quotes.

[ALASKA]

SHOOT!!!!! They said “shoot” and didn’t even get called out on it!!!!!

[bert]

I’ve heard from a reliable FReeper that this is just one of several such recent very similar sightings. Thus the venue has nothing to do with the event

[Vroomfondel]

Yes, that’s why I put Islamic “holy place” in air quotes.

Well, then, isn't the Dome of the Rock precisely the place where you would expect such an appearance to occur? I don't see how this is setting up the Jews to blame for something bad happening there; they're kind of already pre-setup, if you see what I mean.

[Species8472]

Ping!

[fella]

Are there other views from other angles?

[rockabyebaby]

What happens when the UFO decides to shoot back?

Paging George Noory, paging George Noory.......

[pillut48]

True, true. It just seemed to me *if* something “terrorist” related happened- would Islamofascists blow up one of their own holy mosques to blame Jews worldwide in order to egg on a blood frenzy? I think yes, nothing would surprise me—I just wonder if the mainstream media has started to turn against Israel openly by using this kind of ‘subtle’ (but not so subtly) phrasing.

And if it’s a God thing, well, He’s probably not happy that one of HIS High Holy Places has been occupied by a cult all these centuries, and He’s described how He’ll ‘clean up the place’ when the time comes...has the time come? Jesus said to watch for the signs, and put two and two together...

[SonsOfCollins_Wallace]

Elohim is Hebrew for God.
YHWH is Hebrew for Lord.
Unfortunately, in English they are used interchangeably, but they aren’t.

Yahuweh is NOT Hebrew for lord - Yahuweh is the name God/the Creator=Elohim said we are to address Him by.
His directive is very specific in this matter.
ALL editions of Yahuweh’s scriptures that use the term “Lord” in place of His correct name (7000 times) are doing the very action He warned us NOT to do.

The term “Lord” is Baal's moniker- the history of this distortion is very well recorded.

This fact will be the undoing of Paul's religion as it is in opposition to what Yahuweh has stated in His Scriptures.
If you want to explore this matter I suggest going to YadaYahuweh.com and partake of the translation efforts at corrections to Scriptures that have been provided.

[Safrguns]

Can’t believe ABC news fell for this hoax.

Hoax exposed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5s78wr0UF0&feature=related

[The Comedian]

Until Mirv, god of the divided atom, shows up over the Dome of the Rock, I don't care.

Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

[ApplegateRanch]

"Tourist shoots glowing object hovering over Dome of the Rock."

Did he use a handgun, or an RPG?

Did it shoot back?

[The Comedian]

From your referenced site:

"I find this telling because we should expect the Magog war to begin in 2027 and go nuclear in late 2028 putting the spring 2029 arrival of Apinthos/Apophis right on schedule."

More "Christians are all wrong" date-setting losers.

Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

[SuzyQue]

Yes, it is:

‘elohiym
el-o-heem’
plural of ‘’elowahh’ (433); gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:—angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

[SuzyQue]

Sorry, should have posted the source: http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/FRMCONHEB42.htm#S430

[Tzfat]

I’ve only ever heard the name “Jehovah” when talking about Jewish religion

Judaism does not recognize "Jehovah" as a Hebrew word. It is made up. It comes from misreading the Hebrew text of the Bible.

Some Christians read the four letter holy name of G-d and saw the vowel points inserted by the Masorete scribes, and thought it was the manner of pronunciation ("yehovah").

However, as any Jew of the day could have told them, the vowel points (which are not a part of the original text) were inserted as a read/write rule. When you see such scribal notes, you read one thing, but SAY something else. This is useful for reading delecate text in public/mixed settings. The reason the rule was applied to the four letter tetragrammaton is because the pronunciation was lost during the Second Temple period. The vowel points that were inserted were for the Hebrew word for "L-rd" (Ad-nai). So when the four letters are read, the word "L-rd" is said. Most English translations follow the same rule.

So, no, the four letters (a yod, a hey, a vav, and a hey) are not pronounced "Yehovah" or "Jehovah" or "Yahweh." There are over 20 different possibilities of what the four letters could sound like, but not those.

[null and void]

Thanks.

Sort of the Royal We, on steroids...

[tjd1454]

There are several videos of the alleged “Dome of the Rock UFO” posted on YouTube. However, the video which purports to show a close-up of the glowing orb over the Dome of the Rock is almost certainly a fake. The background to the video is exactly the same as an image posted on the Internet. Google “Jerusalem nights 7088” and compare the image side-by-side with the purported video.

Allowing for the fact that the brightness of the image has been increased in the video, and thus some aspects appear more “illuminated,” they are precisely the same. E.g., the glare around the distant lights should change as the video lens pans the scene, but it remains static - and identical to that on the photograph.

Also, if you compare the angles of the buildings in the “Jerusalem nights 7088” photograph with the video, it is evident that they were taken from precisely the same location, once again indicating that the images are one and the same. I lived for years in the Jerusalem area and it looks like the image may have been taken from the King David Hotel, just outside the Old City walls.

Finally, analysis of the video has shown that the image of the Old City is pixelated, indicating that the “video” is actually taken of a digitalized image rather than of the actual Old City.

This is not intended to discount all such paranormal activity, but rather to illustrate that one must not uncritically accept every claimed UFO sighting, especially in the age of Photoshop.

[Tzfat]

Your Hebrew is not good.

A yod, a hey, a vav, and a hey do not spell "L-rd" in Hebrew. The Hebrew word for "L-rd" is spelled alef-resh-dalet-vav-nun. Go to Psalms 110:2 and see. The four letters are first used, then "alef-resh-dalet-vav-nun-yod" - with the last yod being the personal possesive "my L-rd."

[Tzfat]

Until Mirv, god of the divided atom, shows up over the Dome of the Rock, I don't care.

Snicker

[pallis]

It can be plural or singular. It is the root of the later title for God used in Canaan, El, and is used in names like Israel Michael and so on. Many Christians think of Elohim as the Trinity, but it is much more than that when used as a plural. It includes the plural "sons of God," not to be confused with the "Son of God." You might look up the Divine Counsel while looking up Elohim.

[Tzfat]

"Yaweh" "Yahweh" "Yahuweh" etc. cannot be spelled from a yod, a hey, a vav, and a hey. A hey cannot be silent in the middle of a word, and to get a "uw" sound together would require an additional letter, which is not in the Name.

Stick to English. Your Hebrew sucks.

[BenLurkin]

Traverse left 60 degrees!

[Cvengr]

If Muslims go nuts over cartoons depicting Mohammad, why aren’t they on a jihad against whoever perpetrated such a fraud on their holy place?

[tjd1454]

“Your Hebrew is not good” Perhaps you should brush up on your Hebrew yourself, friend. Contrary to what you assert, the Hebrew word for “Lord” is NOT spelled alef-resh-dalet-vav-nun. My years of formal training in biblical Hebrew are mostly long gone, but I can tell you there is NO “resh” in either Adonai or the Tetragrammaton, two Hebrew words which are translated “Lord” by Jewish people (as you know, the Tetragrammaton is read as “Lord” out of respect by the Jewish people - google it is you have need to be refreshed on this Biblical Hebrew 101 concept).

Why do people feel compelled to speak authoritively on that which they apparently know very little about. Adonai is one of the most important Hebrew words that a first year student memorizes.

[Hot Tabasco]

Theories of what it was range from...

Why do you find a problem with that? I think too many people are trying to parse words these days in order to fuel some sort of political angst they may be experiencing........

Chilling out and relaxation seem to be a thing of the past..............

[Tzfat]

You are correct. Funny. I included a resh because I was spelling it out in English letters. In Hebrew, a resh is called a "proud dalet" because it does not have the mark of humility. Ad-nai is spelled alef-dalet-nun-yod.

Next time I will type slower. Regardless, "yahweh" is not "L-rd" in Hebrew nor is a yod, a hey, a vav, and a heh.

[Tzfat]

in Psalms 110:2 it is spelled Ad-nai is spelled alef-dalet-nun-vav-yod for "my L-rd" - otherwise it is alef-dalet-vav-nun sofit [אָדֹון]

[Quix]

thx

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Wallop the Cat]

[MHGinTN]

The Israelis used the wrong hologram for sexually suppressed Arab men: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZVwF6tyHBc&feature=related