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ABC News: "UFO Over Jerusalem?" (Question about reporter's comment)
ABC News ^ | Feb. 3, 2011

Posted on 02/06/2011 10:13:14 AM PST by pillut48

"Tourist shoots glowing object hovering over Dome of the Rock." (video)

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: domeoftherock; domeoftherockufo; ufo; vanity
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Mods, I know this story was discussed a few days ago, but please don't delete. My question is not about the UFO or whatever, it's about the ABC reporter's use of this phrase--"Theories of what it was range from the obvious UFO to the thought it might be the Hebrew God Elohim..."

Does this sound right to you guys? For some reason red flags went up here, especially since this allegedly took place *directly* over the Muslim mosque called "Dome of the Rock"...are things being set in place to blame Jews for happening to this Islamic "holy place"?

1 posted on 02/06/2011 10:13:18 AM PST by pillut48
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To: pillut48

What happens when the UFO decides to shoot back?


2 posted on 02/06/2011 10:15:06 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: pillut48

Hebrew God Elohim???

They mean God, like our Father who art in Heaven?

I didn’t know the Hebrews had a God other than the One that both Christians and Jews worship.

I suppose they’re trying to distinguish from Satan, er, I mean Allah?


3 posted on 02/06/2011 10:16:18 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Farmer Dean

“What happens when the UFO decides to shoot back?”

Independence Day


4 posted on 02/06/2011 10:18:21 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz
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To: Alas Babylon!

Please Google Elohim.


5 posted on 02/06/2011 10:19:37 AM PST by omega4179 (Loughner-leftist oriented)
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To: Alas Babylon!

It was just a strange reference...I’ve done a lot of Judeo/Christian studies, and so I’ve heard of Elohim, but as far as the ‘real’ world and in news stories, I’ve only ever heard the name “Jehovah” when talking about Jewish religion...just struck me as strange!


6 posted on 02/06/2011 10:19:54 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: Alas Babylon!

They worship MONEY!!! Where have you guys been?


7 posted on 02/06/2011 10:20:26 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: pillut48

Elohim is a biblical reference of course, but I would expect Adonai before Elohim or YHWH.


8 posted on 02/06/2011 10:22:58 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger

Besides, isn’t Elohim plural?


9 posted on 02/06/2011 10:26:13 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 747 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: pillut48

Elohim is Hebrew for God.
YHWH is Hebrew for Lord.
Unfortunately, in English they are used interchangeably, but they aren’t.


10 posted on 02/06/2011 10:26:47 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: pillut48

It’s all about perspective. From the photographers point of view it was over the Dome, but maybe in reality it could have been miles away. I remember flying into an airport and the tower gave me clearance to land. I told the tower there was another plane coming into the pattern. The tower said it was over three miles away. Perspective.


11 posted on 02/06/2011 10:34:39 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: omega4179

I know that Elohim means The Lord Our God.

So I don’t need to look it up. Read what I wrote.

The media used to just say God.

Now, in order to appear neutral to the Muslims, the press is now saying “The Hebrew God Elohim”, as if Allah is His equal.


12 posted on 02/06/2011 10:35:25 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: pillut48
2 thoughts on this. 1) fake. 2) "the thought it might be Hebrew God Elohim" (a) attempts to smear the Jews as being polytheistic. Many people pay very scant attention to the world, so the phrase implies to such people that maybe the jews have many gods, and this is just one of them, and bears no relation to the Christian God. (b) "thought it might be" is thrown in by the scriptwriter, just to ensure that it doesn't seem like they are affirming Judaism. Disney sucks. 3) fake.
13 posted on 02/06/2011 10:43:18 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge, MA grad student. Any potential conservative Christian FReepmail-FRiends out there?)
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To: Alas Babylon!

An unbelievable posting.


14 posted on 02/06/2011 10:45:04 AM PST by healy61
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To: Alas Babylon!

I see your point.


15 posted on 02/06/2011 10:47:16 AM PST by healy61
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To: pillut48

If it was a physical object; that is, an object that displaces air, there would have been a sonic boom when it took off, judging from it’s rate of climb.

If there was no sonic boom, then it was (a) either a fake, or (b) very, very advanced technology, or (c) a miracle.


17 posted on 02/06/2011 10:55:12 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: pillut48
If it was not a) an image inserted in an otherwise nondescript night time video of the Temple Mount (the reaction of the people around the camera argues against that), b) a ball of light actually miles away that by chance was lined up perfectly with the top of the Dome of the Rock and the videographer's camera, or c) Ball Lightening (larger, more stable in flight, and unlike any I've ever seen photographed) then I can come to only one conclusion:

A quick pre-demolition survey of a building that is overdue for removal.

It is certainly one of the more convincing videos I've ever seen of a UFO.

18 posted on 02/06/2011 11:00:50 AM PST by katana
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To: pillut48
especially since this allegedly took place *directly* over the Muslim mosque called "Dome of the Rock"...are things being set in place to blame Jews for happening to this Islamic "holy place"?

You do understand where the Dome of the Rock is, right?

19 posted on 02/06/2011 11:01:15 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: Vroomfondel

Yes, that’s why I put Islamic “holy place” in air quotes.


20 posted on 02/06/2011 11:04:51 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: pillut48

SHOOT!!!!! They said “shoot” and didn’t even get called out on it!!!!!


21 posted on 02/06/2011 11:07:50 AM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: pillut48; MHGinTN

I’ve heard from a reliable FReeper that this is just one of several such recent very similar sightings. Thus the venue has nothing to do with the event


22 posted on 02/06/2011 11:13:56 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: pillut48
Yes, that’s why I put Islamic “holy place” in air quotes.

Well, then, isn't the Dome of the Rock precisely the place where you would expect such an appearance to occur? I don't see how this is setting up the Jews to blame for something bad happening there; they're kind of already pre-setup, if you see what I mean.

23 posted on 02/06/2011 11:15:12 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: Quix

Ping!


24 posted on 02/06/2011 11:17:02 AM PST by Species8472 ( Politically motivated science is called propaganda)
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To: pillut48

Are there other views from other angles?


25 posted on 02/06/2011 11:26:52 AM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: Farmer Dean
What happens when the UFO decides to shoot back?

Paging George Noory, paging George Noory.......

26 posted on 02/06/2011 11:30:20 AM PST by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Vroomfondel

True, true. It just seemed to me *if* something “terrorist” related happened- would Islamofascists blow up one of their own holy mosques to blame Jews worldwide in order to egg on a blood frenzy? I think yes, nothing would surprise me—I just wonder if the mainstream media has started to turn against Israel openly by using this kind of ‘subtle’ (but not so subtly) phrasing.

And if it’s a God thing, well, He’s probably not happy that one of HIS High Holy Places has been occupied by a cult all these centuries, and He’s described how He’ll ‘clean up the place’ when the time comes...has the time come? Jesus said to watch for the signs, and put two and two together...


27 posted on 02/06/2011 11:30:28 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: Citizen Tom Paine; pillut48
Elohim is Hebrew for God.
YHWH is Hebrew for Lord.
Unfortunately, in English they are used interchangeably, but they aren’t.

Yahuweh is NOT Hebrew for lord - Yahuweh is the name God/the Creator=Elohim said we are to address Him by.
His directive is very specific in this matter.
ALL editions of Yahuweh’s scriptures that use the term “Lord” in place of His correct name (7000 times) are doing the very action He warned us NOT to do.

The term “Lord” is Baal's moniker- the history of this distortion is very well recorded.

This fact will be the undoing of Paul's religion as it is in opposition to what Yahuweh has stated in His Scriptures.
If you want to explore this matter I suggest going to YadaYahuweh.com and partake of the translation efforts at corrections to Scriptures that have been provided.

28 posted on 02/06/2011 11:45:41 AM PST by SonsOfCollins_Wallace ("... if yah ken behr eit" OR "where yah goin William ?.... ")
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To: pillut48

Can’t believe ABC news fell for this hoax.

Hoax exposed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5s78wr0UF0&feature=related


29 posted on 02/06/2011 11:50:20 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: pillut48
Until Mirv, god of the divided atom, shows up over the Dome of the Rock, I don't care.


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

30 posted on 02/06/2011 11:58:22 AM PST by The Comedian (Muslim Brotherhood = A.N.S.W.E.R = Soros = Obama)
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To: pillut48
"Tourist shoots glowing object hovering over Dome of the Rock."

Did he use a handgun, or an RPG?

Did it shoot back?

31 posted on 02/06/2011 12:04:21 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: SonsOfCollins_Wallace
From your referenced site:

"I find this telling because we should expect the Magog war to begin in 2027 and go nuclear in late 2028 putting the spring 2029 arrival of Apinthos/Apophis right on schedule."

More "Christians are all wrong" date-setting losers.


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

32 posted on 02/06/2011 12:13:27 PM PST by The Comedian (Muslim Brotherhood = A.N.S.W.E.R = Soros = Obama)
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To: null and void

Yes, it is:

‘elohiym
el-o-heem’
plural of ‘’elowahh’ (433); gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:—angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.


33 posted on 02/06/2011 12:16:23 PM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SuzyQue

Sorry, should have posted the source: http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/FRMCONHEB42.htm#S430


34 posted on 02/06/2011 12:17:09 PM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: pillut48
I’ve only ever heard the name “Jehovah” when talking about Jewish religion

Judaism does not recognize "Jehovah" as a Hebrew word. It is made up. It comes from misreading the Hebrew text of the Bible.

Some Christians read the four letter holy name of G-d and saw the vowel points inserted by the Masorete scribes, and thought it was the manner of pronunciation ("yehovah").

However, as any Jew of the day could have told them, the vowel points (which are not a part of the original text) were inserted as a read/write rule. When you see such scribal notes, you read one thing, but SAY something else. This is useful for reading delecate text in public/mixed settings. The reason the rule was applied to the four letter tetragrammaton is because the pronunciation was lost during the Second Temple period. The vowel points that were inserted were for the Hebrew word for "L-rd" (Ad-nai). So when the four letters are read, the word "L-rd" is said. Most English translations follow the same rule.

So, no, the four letters (a yod, a hey, a vav, and a hey) are not pronounced "Yehovah" or "Jehovah" or "Yahweh." There are over 20 different possibilities of what the four letters could sound like, but not those.
35 posted on 02/06/2011 12:22:34 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: SuzyQue

Thanks.

Sort of the Royal We, on steroids...


36 posted on 02/06/2011 12:25:14 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 747 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: pillut48

There are several videos of the alleged “Dome of the Rock UFO” posted on YouTube. However, the video which purports to show a close-up of the glowing orb over the Dome of the Rock is almost certainly a fake. The background to the video is exactly the same as an image posted on the Internet. Google “Jerusalem nights 7088” and compare the image side-by-side with the purported video.

Allowing for the fact that the brightness of the image has been increased in the video, and thus some aspects appear more “illuminated,” they are precisely the same. E.g., the glare around the distant lights should change as the video lens pans the scene, but it remains static - and identical to that on the photograph.

Also, if you compare the angles of the buildings in the “Jerusalem nights 7088” photograph with the video, it is evident that they were taken from precisely the same location, once again indicating that the images are one and the same. I lived for years in the Jerusalem area and it looks like the image may have been taken from the King David Hotel, just outside the Old City walls.

Finally, analysis of the video has shown that the image of the Old City is pixelated, indicating that the “video” is actually taken of a digitalized image rather than of the actual Old City.

This is not intended to discount all such paranormal activity, but rather to illustrate that one must not uncritically accept every claimed UFO sighting, especially in the age of Photoshop.


37 posted on 02/06/2011 12:25:54 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: SonsOfCollins_Wallace
Your Hebrew is not good.

A yod, a hey, a vav, and a hey do not spell "L-rd" in Hebrew. The Hebrew word for "L-rd" is spelled alef-resh-dalet-vav-nun. Go to Psalms 110:2 and see. The four letters are first used, then "alef-resh-dalet-vav-nun-yod" - with the last yod being the personal possesive "my L-rd."
38 posted on 02/06/2011 12:28:22 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: The Comedian
Until Mirv, god of the divided atom, shows up over the Dome of the Rock, I don't care.

Snicker
39 posted on 02/06/2011 12:29:33 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: null and void
It can be plural or singular. It is the root of the later title for God used in Canaan, El, and is used in names like Israel Michael and so on. Many Christians think of Elohim as the Trinity, but it is much more than that when used as a plural. It includes the plural "sons of God," not to be confused with the "Son of God." You might look up the Divine Counsel while looking up Elohim.
40 posted on 02/06/2011 12:30:45 PM PST by pallis
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To: guerito1; SonsOfCollins_Wallace
"Yaweh" "Yahweh" "Yahuweh" etc. cannot be spelled from a yod, a hey, a vav, and a hey. A hey cannot be silent in the middle of a word, and to get a "uw" sound together would require an additional letter, which is not in the Name.

Stick to English. Your Hebrew sucks.
41 posted on 02/06/2011 12:33:42 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Farmer Dean

Traverse left 60 degrees!

42 posted on 02/06/2011 12:37:27 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Safrguns

If Muslims go nuts over cartoons depicting Mohammad, why aren’t they on a jihad against whoever perpetrated such a fraud on their holy place?


43 posted on 02/06/2011 12:40:54 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Tzfat

“Your Hebrew is not good” Perhaps you should brush up on your Hebrew yourself, friend. Contrary to what you assert, the Hebrew word for “Lord” is NOT spelled alef-resh-dalet-vav-nun. My years of formal training in biblical Hebrew are mostly long gone, but I can tell you there is NO “resh” in either Adonai or the Tetragrammaton, two Hebrew words which are translated “Lord” by Jewish people (as you know, the Tetragrammaton is read as “Lord” out of respect by the Jewish people - google it is you have need to be refreshed on this Biblical Hebrew 101 concept).

Why do people feel compelled to speak authoritively on that which they apparently know very little about. Adonai is one of the most important Hebrew words that a first year student memorizes.


44 posted on 02/06/2011 12:50:16 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: pillut48
Theories of what it was range from...

Why do you find a problem with that? I think too many people are trying to parse words these days in order to fuel some sort of political angst they may be experiencing........

Chilling out and relaxation seem to be a thing of the past..............

45 posted on 02/06/2011 12:52:30 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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To: tjd1454
You are correct. Funny. I included a resh because I was spelling it out in English letters. In Hebrew, a resh is called a "proud dalet" because it does not have the mark of humility. Ad-nai is spelled alef-dalet-nun-yod.

Next time I will type slower. Regardless, "yahweh" is not "L-rd" in Hebrew nor is a yod, a hey, a vav, and a heh.
46 posted on 02/06/2011 12:55:57 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat
in Psalms 110:2 it is spelled Ad-nai is spelled alef-dalet-nun-vav-yod for "my L-rd" - otherwise it is alef-dalet-vav-nun sofit [אָדֹון]
47 posted on 02/06/2011 1:00:42 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Species8472

thx

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


48 posted on 02/06/2011 1:01:19 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Tzfat

49 posted on 02/06/2011 1:05:09 PM PST by Wallop the Cat
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To: The Comedian
The Israelis used the wrong hologram for sexually suppressed Arab men: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZVwF6tyHBc&feature=related
50 posted on 02/06/2011 1:07:22 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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