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1 posted on 11/27/2010 9:00:59 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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2 posted on 11/27/2010 9:05:34 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I have read they are doing double time on the Vayrig(sp), Mine sweepers, etc..........


3 posted on 11/27/2010 9:11:53 PM PST by cmsgop ( I spent most of my childhood terrified that The Rhythm was going to get me.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
"It appears that the Shi Lang is a year or so from going to sea."

And shortly thereafter being towed back to port.

4 posted on 11/27/2010 9:13:08 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Obama fiddles Marxism while China rises.


5 posted on 11/27/2010 9:14:29 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The shakedown cruise should be interesting.

Its a FrankenCarrier


6 posted on 11/27/2010 9:16:59 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
But there has been a lot of work lately. Early in 2009, China moved the Shi Lang into dry
dock, where work is now obviously underway to install engines and other heavy equipment.

hmm...right after OBozo was crowned.
they'll strike while the opportunity exist...


7 posted on 11/27/2010 9:18:02 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Imam Zer0: DeathCARE, Is my only "health" plan....to hell w/ free enterprise system :^)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
Building a carrier is one thing. Sending a carrier battle group to any spot on the globe while replenishing it weekly with fuel, ordnance, spare parts and fresh provisions is a whole different ballgame --a ballgame the USN excels at.

Not saying the Chinese can't get there but they've got a long way to go.

8 posted on 11/27/2010 9:21:26 PM PST by Drew68
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
My cruise down the Huang Po to the sea from Shanghai last year left me with a feeling that while commercial construction of merchant vessels was blooming, the Chinese navy was pretty third rate. Sounds like that's still the case.
11 posted on 11/27/2010 9:31:49 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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16 posted on 11/27/2010 9:53:11 PM PST by magslinger ('This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!')
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I’d love to watch their first aircraft launch and recovery.


21 posted on 11/27/2010 9:57:14 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
The weird bad boy in question:


23 posted on 11/27/2010 10:04:57 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

good for target practice

it had better not get anywhere the USN in a shooting war


26 posted on 11/27/2010 10:37:17 PM PST by Enchante (What if the Olberdork returned to the air - and no one notices.... or cares?)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
Here we go again...

Every time one of these threads shows up, the usual snarking comments show up as well...

Its a FrankenCarrier...Shi Lang = Target...Shi Lang = POS...It doesnt even have steam catapults for crying out loud!...Bronze Star waiting to happen..." Yada, yada, etc., etc...

Personally, I think the Shi Lang and her follow-on sisters is going to be damn effective. Much more effective at what they are being designed for than anyone on FR (with the possible exception of Jeffhead himself) is willing to believe. Much more effective and combat capable than the Admiral Kutnezsov -- and I think the Shi Lang herself, is going to be operational much faster than people believe possible.

Are the ChiComs going to make some mistakes learning the lessons? Sure! They have probably made more than a few already -- which is probably at least part of the reason it's taking them so long to get this lady out to sea.

But they will get that lady out to sea, and they will master carrier flight operations (again, probably a lot faster than anyone here is willing to bet), and they will build more.

As far as her size and lack of steam catapults are concerned, I just shake my head and sigh. People look at her and look at our big brawny Nimitz class carriers and smirk. That, in my opinion is foolish.

She was never designed or intended to go airwing to airwing against American supercarriers. Chinese anti-carrier doctrine revolves around cruise missiles (both sub and surface launched) and their new anti-carrier ICBMs. The Shi Lang is the perfect size for her mission, which will be power projection in the Southeast Asian, Indian Ocean and African areas, in support of Chinese geopolitical objectives involving developing nations.

To give just one example, how does anyone think Indonesia or Malaysia is going to react, if after one of their orgies of bashing their ethnic Chinese populations, the Shi Lang carrying an airwing of 30 to 50 SU-33s and her battlegroup screen were to show up offshore?

Then there is the PLAN itself and the casual contempt in which too many FReepers seem to hold them. People really need to take a good look at Jeffhead's THE RISING SEA DRAGON page,

http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/

and realize that China is building a modern blue water force that is very capable, professional and has the specific mission of driving the US out of the Western Pacific and Indian Oceans.

December 7, is just around the corner. On December 6, 59 years ago, a lot of people were scoffing into their beer about the "zipperheaded, fishhead-eating, Japanese" and gleefully predicting what the mighty USN would do to them if push ever came to shove. You may want to remember how that worked out.

28 posted on 11/27/2010 11:06:40 PM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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So without any carrier operating, no experience, no technical know how, no fleet support or experience with a carrier, and no operational airwing this thing is suppose to be a threat?

Together with that wonderfully reliable Russian naval technology (sarc) they included in the equation, this will not be a threat to anyone who is a friend of the US,,, or one single Virginia Class SSN.


29 posted on 11/27/2010 11:09:17 PM PST by Wildbill22
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

And on our dimes, yet!


42 posted on 11/28/2010 8:26:01 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
Thank you for shopping. Come again.


43 posted on 11/28/2010 8:29:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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