Skip to comments.Fermilab will measure smallest details of space time and test if the universe is a hologram in 2011
Posted on 10/26/2010 7:41:26 AM PDT by Arec Barrwin
If you "lived inside" a hologram, you could tell by measuring the blurring. Fermilab is building a interferometer to test space time for holographic blurring.
Possible consequence of holography
Hypothesis: observable correlations are encoded on light sheets and limited by information capacity of a Planck wavelength carrier (Planck information flux limit)
Predicts uncertainty in position at Planck diffraction scale
(Excerpt) Read more at nextbigfuture.com ...
Ok. So then WHO built the projector?
I swear the world is going insane.
I know I am.
So....all of this is just a hologram? Unreal....
This exercise seems like a waste of time, talent and brainpower.
“Computer, arch. Computer, exit. Computer, end holodeck program.”
They don’t mean an actual hologram. They mean a universe bounded by Planck-scale wave interferences.
The article makes it sound like the universe is a human-type film hologram read with a laser in a lab, but read carefully.
Red pill or blue pill?
Ok. So then WHO built the projector?”
The guy who said this: “I am the way, the truth, and the light.”
So, we’re all figments of our imagination?...........
That’s funny, I once had a dream that Planck was involved in some sort of a higher-level boundary condition. Details blurred by the time I woke up.
No, you are a figment of MINE. Be nice to me.
Yeah, but what else are you gonna do with a $$???? billion , humongous, atom-smasher?
Using it to see if we can make a very expensive garbage disposal seems a bit of a waste.
A lot of scientists are disturbed by the fraction of research dollars being consumed by these mega-experiments too.
Jumping to illogical and unfounded conclusions is... just so much more fun.
In that context.... If all the light in the Universe went out, would the Universe still exist?
I see the world in which we live very much as The Matrix. It is not NEARLY as real as eternity. Heck, matter is basically coagulated energy and everything around us is mostly empty space. Perception really is reality, and reality is mostly “nothing”.
I seriously wonder if the “root” force that is holding it all together is a little thing called God’s will.
I'm sure there would be a nightlite on somewhere just to keep the boogeyman away.......
Why did you go spoil the fun?!
"Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream? "
-Edgar Allen Poe
But if the whole exercise is to discover if the universe is a hologram, well, I think these scientists are succumbing to an all-too-common tendency these days to overreach, injecting far too much imagination into their hypotheses.
You mean a universe without photons? Well, since we’re making this up as we go here, I think that a photonless universe would still have mass. The question is does a baryonic universe require photons, and I think it might be OK, but Genesis suggests otherwise (no light, no anything).
Certainly you could not observe much in a universe without photons.
Really? They should see what the 'climate' scientists are spending 'research' (our tax money) dollars on.
This was a puzzler. After a pause, Alice began, ‘Well! They were BOTH very unpleasant characters’ Here she checked herself in some alarm, at hearing something that sounded to her like the puffing of a large steam-engine in the wood near them, though she feared it was more likely to be a wild beast. ‘Are there any lions or tigers about here?’ she asked timidly.
‘It’s only the Red King snoring,’ said Tweedledee.
‘Come and look at him!’ the brothers cried, and they each took one of Alice’s hands, and led her up to where the King was sleeping.
‘Isn’t he a LOVELY sight?’ said Tweedledum.
Alice couldn’t say honestly that he was. He had a tall red night-cap on, with a tassel, and he was lying crumpled up into a sort of untidy heap, and snoring loud’fit to snore his head off!’ as Tweedledum remarked.
‘I’m afraid he’ll catch cold with lying on the damp grass,’ said Alice, who was a very thoughtful little girl.
‘He’s dreaming now,’ said Tweedledee: ‘and what do you think he’s dreaming about?’
Alice said ‘Nobody can guess that.’
‘Why, about YOU!’ Tweedledee exclaimed, clapping his hands triumphantly. ‘And if he left off dreaming about you, where do you suppose you’d be?’
‘Where I am now, of course,’ said Alice.
‘Not you!’ Tweedledee retorted contemptuously. ‘You’d be nowhere. Why, you’re only a sort of thing in his dream!’
‘If that there King was to wake,’ added Tweedledum, ‘you’d go outbang!just like a candle!’
‘I shouldn’t!’ Alice exclaimed indignantly. ‘Besides, if I’M only a sort of thing in his dream, what are YOU, I should like to know?’
‘Ditto’ said Tweedledum.
‘Ditto, ditto’ cried Tweedledee.
He shouted this so loud that Alice couldn’t help saying, ‘Hush! You’ll be waking him, I’m afraid, if you make so much noise.’
‘Well, it no use YOUR talking about waking him,’ said Tweedledum, ‘when you’re only one of the things in his dream. You know very well you’re not real.’
‘I AM real!’ said Alice and began to cry.
‘You won’t make yourself a bit realler by crying,’ Tweedledee remarked: ‘there’s nothing to cry about.’
‘If I wasn’t real,’ Alice saidhalf-laughing through her tears, it all seemed so ridiculous’I shouldn’t be able to cry.’
‘I hope you don’t suppose those are real tears?’ Tweedledum interrupted in a tone of great contempt.
‘I know they’re talking nonsense,’ Alice thought to herself: ‘and it’s foolish to cry about it.’ So she brushed away her tears, and went on as cheerfully as she could. ‘At any rate I’d better be getting out of the wood, for really it’s coming on very dark. Do you think it’s going to rain?’
From “Through the Looking-glass”, Lewis Carroll
>>Red pill or blue pill?<<
I was in a prison ministry band and memorized that routine. During a break in our “show” I put on sunglasses and a long black coat and went through the entire monologue, with a couple of changes directly toward Christianity at the end.
They can take the “red” pill, become a Christian, and discover the “Real world” or take the blue pill and wake up tomorrow believing, well, “whatever they want to believe”.
Or, as Solomon put it in Ecclesiasties,
Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.
He is speaking of the life without God, of course.
I get paid to do lots of different things, and currently my rent is paid by being a scientist, so I get to sound like one.
Besides, cosmology is fun!
Might be a little nippy to.
Amen to that!
Reminds me of a sci-fi short story I read once where scientists all over the universe were trying to figure out if entropy could be reversed. (I won't attempt to define it, except to say that in this context, entropy is the tendency of the universe to become more and more disorganized, thermodynamically over time.)
So, they linked more and more computers together, which over time - and long after mankind itself had died out - finally came up with the answer, the computer screen on one of the machines spitting out the line, "Let there be light."
LAW OF ATTRACTION.
Sounds very 'scientific', doesn't it? It is. It is what causes the coagulation. It is what causes the formation and growth of planets and stars. It is what causes the atoms to cling to one another and form 'matter'.
It is also religious. God is Love. Love is attraction. God's will is LOVE. God's will is attraction. By this 'ATTRACTION' is the Universe made possible.
DBrow already mentioned in an earlier post that one needs to FULLY READ the article to get the real details. The TITLE is very misleading.
Here is what DBrow said:
"They dont mean an actual hologram. They mean a universe bounded by Planck-scale wave interferences. The article makes it sound like the universe is a human-type film hologram read with a laser in a lab, but read carefully. "
Yeah, it’s always fun until someone gets hurt! ;)
I cot completely lost when someone was explaining string theory and it dawned on me that we were just energy anyway. Suddenly anything and nothing seemed equally likely. Being rather math challenged is really a very BIG disability!
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see that this new interferometer is connected to the atom smasher.
It may be that all the appearance of 'physical' matter is a manifestation of the interference pattern between waveforms of various energy sources, and the time/space continuum.
I think that is really what the reference to holograms is about.
on the human level, anything that these asshat try to 'measure' is a joke w/o the 'provable' standard...so there is no check/balance to their theories or experiments...just so much scientific masterbation at the taxpayer expense...
This new interferometer is much smaller and more precise than other recent interferometers used to measure gravity waves. It seems like it's an advance in cost efficiency.
So if it's true, then we are all just "walking the Planck"?
The story was “THE LAST QUESTION” by ISAAC ASIMOV.
Here is a link to the complete story.
Well, it might be a good way to get a blurry picture.
You do makeup?
Zeugma ducks and runs...
I have a cosmology license good in three counties!
I usually stop dissecting the universe at hadrons and leptons. Everything you touch or see is the result of leptons (and photons), everything that has weight is hadrons.
Once you go beyond that into quarks, strings, Planck vortex instabilities...then you start to go way beyond what you can see and touch, you need county-sized accelerators to collect the data and try to make sense of it.
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Looks like baryonic matter first (hadrons and leptons), then photons. So if you took photons away now, you’d still have a place to observe from and eyeballs to observe with, but you’d be unable to see anything. I was mistaken in my earlier post, I did not look up The First Book of Moses to check. You can have “stuff” with no light, the universe has been there before.
Thanks for the clarification.
I like to listen to people talk about that stuff, but me actually understanding it is like my dog actually understanding what my computer does. ;)
Does that mean you can color my hair? ;)
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