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Fermilab will measure smallest details of space time and test if the universe is a hologram in 2011
Next Big Future ^ | October 27, 2010 | Next Big Future

Posted on 10/26/2010 7:41:26 AM PDT by Arec Barrwin

If you "lived inside" a hologram, you could tell by measuring the blurring. Fermilab is building a interferometer to test space time for holographic blurring.

Possible consequence of holography

Hypothesis: observable correlations are encoded on light sheets and limited by information capacity of a Planck wavelength carrier (“Planck information flux” limit)

Predicts uncertainty in position at Planck diffraction scale

(Excerpt) Read more at nextbigfuture.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aquarianconspiracy; hologram; karlpibram; marilynferguson; stringtheory; universe
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1 posted on 10/26/2010 7:41:30 AM PDT by Arec Barrwin
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To: Arec Barrwin

Ok. So then WHO built the projector?

I swear the world is going insane.

I know I am.


2 posted on 10/26/2010 7:43:03 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Arec Barrwin

So....all of this is just a hologram? Unreal....


3 posted on 10/26/2010 7:43:03 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

This exercise seems like a waste of time, talent and brainpower.


4 posted on 10/26/2010 7:43:43 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

“Computer, arch. Computer, exit. Computer, end holodeck program.”


5 posted on 10/26/2010 7:46:38 AM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: Arec Barrwin

They don’t mean an actual hologram. They mean a universe bounded by Planck-scale wave interferences.

The article makes it sound like the universe is a human-type film hologram read with a laser in a lab, but read carefully.


6 posted on 10/26/2010 7:47:59 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Arec Barrwin

Red pill or blue pill?
; )


7 posted on 10/26/2010 7:48:09 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Had enough, yet?)
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To: Bigh4u2

Ok. So then WHO built the projector?”

The guy who said this: “I am the way, the truth, and the light.”


8 posted on 10/26/2010 7:49:06 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Arec Barrwin

So, we’re all figments of our imagination?...........


9 posted on 10/26/2010 7:49:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE GIVE MEGHAN MCCAIN A BOX OF KRISPY KREMES SO SHE'LL SHUT THE HELL UP?!)
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To: Arec Barrwin

That’s funny, I once had a dream that Planck was involved in some sort of a higher-level boundary condition. Details blurred by the time I woke up.


10 posted on 10/26/2010 7:56:58 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Red Badger

No, you are a figment of MINE. Be nice to me.


11 posted on 10/26/2010 7:58:02 AM PDT by DManA
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To: TheThinker
This exercise seems like a waste of time, talent and brainpower.

Yeah, but what else are you gonna do with a $$???? billion , humongous, atom-smasher?

Using it to see if we can make a very expensive garbage disposal seems a bit of a waste.

12 posted on 10/26/2010 8:03:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

A lot of scientists are disturbed by the fraction of research dollars being consumed by these mega-experiments too.


13 posted on 10/26/2010 8:05:32 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DBrow; Arec Barrwin
The article makes it sound like the universe is a human-type film hologram read with a laser in a lab, but read carefully.

Jumping to illogical and unfounded conclusions is... just so much more fun.

In that context.... If all the light in the Universe went out, would the Universe still exist?

14 posted on 10/26/2010 8:10:07 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I see the world in which we live very much as The Matrix. It is not NEARLY as real as eternity. Heck, matter is basically coagulated energy and everything around us is mostly empty space. Perception really is reality, and reality is mostly “nothing”.

I seriously wonder if the “root” force that is holding it all together is a little thing called God’s will.


15 posted on 10/26/2010 8:11:18 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Arec Barrwin
So they are as real as we are...


16 posted on 10/26/2010 8:13:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: UCANSEE2
In that context.... If all the light in the Universe went out, would the Universe still exist? Experiment. Find the switch. Turn it OFF. See if you and the switch still exist. If so, please turn it back on. I've kinda gotten used to the place.
17 posted on 10/26/2010 8:13:43 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: UCANSEE2
If all the light in the Universe went out, would the Universe still exist?

I'm sure there would be a nightlite on somewhere just to keep the boogeyman away.......

18 posted on 10/26/2010 8:13:49 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: DBrow

Why did you go spoil the fun?!


19 posted on 10/26/2010 8:14:23 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Red Badger
So, we’re all figments of our imagination?...........

"Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream? "

-Edgar Allen Poe

20 posted on 10/26/2010 8:14:26 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
If they're searching for holographic noise, OK.

But if the whole exercise is to discover if the universe is a hologram, well, I think these scientists are succumbing to an all-too-common tendency these days to overreach, injecting far too much imagination into their hypotheses.

21 posted on 10/26/2010 8:16:34 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: UCANSEE2

How Poetic.


22 posted on 10/26/2010 8:18:41 AM PDT by Waverunner (")
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To: UCANSEE2

You mean a universe without photons? Well, since we’re making this up as we go here, I think that a photonless universe would still have mass. The question is does a baryonic universe require photons, and I think it might be OK, but Genesis suggests otherwise (no light, no anything).

Certainly you could not observe much in a universe without photons.


23 posted on 10/26/2010 8:19:09 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DManA
A lot of scientists are disturbed by the fraction of research dollars being consumed by these mega-experiments too.

Really? They should see what the 'climate' scientists are spending 'research' (our tax money) dollars on.

24 posted on 10/26/2010 8:19:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

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Alice said ‘Nobody can guess that.’

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‘Where I am now, of course,’ said Alice.

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From “Through the Looking-glass”, Lewis Carroll


25 posted on 10/26/2010 8:20:41 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ozark hilljilly

>>Red pill or blue pill?<<

I was in a prison ministry band and memorized that routine. During a break in our “show” I put on sunglasses and a long black coat and went through the entire monologue, with a couple of changes directly toward Christianity at the end.

They can take the “red” pill, become a Christian, and discover the “Real world” or take the blue pill and wake up tomorrow believing, well, “whatever they want to believe”.

Or, as Solomon put it in Ecclesiasties,

Ecclesiastes 9:9
Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun— all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.

He is speaking of the life without God, of course.


26 posted on 10/26/2010 8:21:32 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: brytlea

I get paid to do lots of different things, and currently my rent is paid by being a scientist, so I get to sound like one.

Besides, cosmology is fun!


27 posted on 10/26/2010 8:22:50 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
Certainly you could not observe much in a universe without photons.

Might be a little nippy to.

28 posted on 10/26/2010 8:32:20 AM PDT by The Cajun
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To: achilles2000
The guy who said this: “I am the way, the truth, and the light.”

Amen to that!

Reminds me of a sci-fi short story I read once where scientists all over the universe were trying to figure out if entropy could be reversed. (I won't attempt to define it, except to say that in this context, entropy is the tendency of the universe to become more and more disorganized, thermodynamically over time.)

So, they linked more and more computers together, which over time - and long after mankind itself had died out - finally came up with the answer, the computer screen on one of the machines spitting out the line, "Let there be light."

29 posted on 10/26/2010 8:36:17 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (A half-truth masquerading as the whole truth becomes a complete untruth. (J.I. Packer)
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To: RobRoy
I seriously wonder if the “root” force that is holding it all together is a little thing called God’s will.

LAW OF ATTRACTION.

Sounds very 'scientific', doesn't it? It is. It is what causes the coagulation. It is what causes the formation and growth of planets and stars. It is what causes the atoms to cling to one another and form 'matter'.

It is also religious. God is Love. Love is attraction. God's will is LOVE. God's will is attraction. By this 'ATTRACTION' is the Universe made possible.

30 posted on 10/26/2010 8:38:31 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Bigh4u2
Ok. So then WHO built the projector?

General Electric.

31 posted on 10/26/2010 8:39:50 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: TheThinker; DBrow
But if the whole exercise is to discover if the universe is a hologram,

DBrow already mentioned in an earlier post that one needs to FULLY READ the article to get the real details. The TITLE is very misleading.

Here is what DBrow said:

"They don’t mean an actual hologram. They mean a universe bounded by Planck-scale wave interferences. The article makes it sound like the universe is a human-type film hologram read with a laser in a lab, but read carefully. "

32 posted on 10/26/2010 8:47:15 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: DBrow

Yeah, it’s always fun until someone gets hurt! ;)


33 posted on 10/26/2010 8:47:37 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: DBrow

I cot completely lost when someone was explaining string theory and it dawned on me that we were just energy anyway. Suddenly anything and nothing seemed equally likely. Being rather math challenged is really a very BIG disability!


34 posted on 10/26/2010 8:50:15 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Yeah, but what else are you gonna do with a $$???? billion , humongous, atom-smasher?

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see that this new interferometer is connected to the atom smasher.

35 posted on 10/26/2010 8:57:23 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: TheThinker
But if the whole exercise is to discover if the universe is a hologram,

It may be that all the appearance of 'physical' matter is a manifestation of the interference pattern between waveforms of various energy sources, and the time/space continuum.

I think that is really what the reference to holograms is about.

36 posted on 10/26/2010 9:00:10 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: RobRoy
the Godless scientists will eventually come to realize that willfull disobedience has a 'price'...

on the human level, anything that these asshat try to 'measure' is a joke w/o the 'provable' standard...so there is no check/balance to their theories or experiments...just so much scientific masterbation at the taxpayer expense...

37 posted on 10/26/2010 9:01:31 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: DManA
A lot of scientists are disturbed by the fraction of research dollars being consumed by these mega-experiments too.

This new interferometer is much smaller and more precise than other recent interferometers used to measure gravity waves. It seems like it's an advance in cost efficiency.

38 posted on 10/26/2010 9:05:19 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: Arec Barrwin
Planck wavelength carrier

So if it's true, then we are all just "walking the Planck"?

39 posted on 10/26/2010 9:21:27 AM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds... in becoming a one term president.)
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To: Quality_Not_Quantity

The story was “THE LAST QUESTION” by ISAAC ASIMOV.

Here is a link to the complete story.

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html


40 posted on 10/26/2010 9:34:09 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Moonman62
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see that this new interferometer is connected to the atom smasher.

Well, it might be a good way to get a blurry picture.

41 posted on 10/26/2010 9:51:06 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: DBrow
Besides, cosmology is fun!

You do makeup?

Zeugma ducks and runs...

42 posted on 10/26/2010 9:55:48 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: zeugma

I have a cosmology license good in three counties!


43 posted on 10/26/2010 10:05:30 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: brytlea

I usually stop dissecting the universe at hadrons and leptons. Everything you touch or see is the result of leptons (and photons), everything that has weight is hadrons.

Once you go beyond that into quarks, strings, Planck vortex instabilities...then you start to go way beyond what you can see and touch, you need county-sized accelerators to collect the data and try to make sense of it.


44 posted on 10/26/2010 10:27:36 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: UCANSEE2
Ok. So then WHO built the projector?

General Electric.

In China.

45 posted on 10/26/2010 11:03:27 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: DBrow
You mean a universe without photons? Well, since we’re making this up as we go here, I think that a photonless universe would still have mass. The question is does a baryonic universe require photons, and I think it might be OK, but Genesis suggests otherwise (no light, no anything).
Certainly you could not observe much in a universe without photons.

In the beginning there was nothing.
And God said, "Let there be light."
And there still was nothing, but now you could see it.
46 posted on 10/26/2010 11:21:39 AM PDT by Colinsky
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To: Colinsky

1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Looks like baryonic matter first (hadrons and leptons), then photons. So if you took photons away now, you’d still have a place to observe from and eyeballs to observe with, but you’d be unable to see anything. I was mistaken in my earlier post, I did not look up The First Book of Moses to check. You can have “stuff” with no light, the universe has been there before.


47 posted on 10/26/2010 11:33:10 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
They don’t mean an actual hologram. They mean a universe bounded by Planck-scale wave interferences.

Thanks for the clarification.

48 posted on 10/26/2010 11:42:54 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: DBrow

I like to listen to people talk about that stuff, but me actually understanding it is like my dog actually understanding what my computer does. ;)


49 posted on 10/26/2010 1:13:30 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: DBrow

Does that mean you can color my hair? ;)


50 posted on 10/26/2010 1:14:41 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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